[Closed] Does anybody actually believe crop circles are made by UFOs?

wonder if they have pubs on those spaceships?

Brilliant, just brilliant

Had a brief read of that Mi5 link on the first page. It really does add more weight to my theory that most human beings are flippin' morons 😆

(I'm obviously being paid by MI5 😆 )

Blimey, you lot are so cynical in the face of all that evidence.
Quite clearly this:

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Is just ET's pals version of this:

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It's intergalactic tagging innit! 😀

I notice everyone is studiously ignoring my assertion that crop circles are caused by dancing faeries, when this is so obviously the real reason.

Is this because MI5 are diverting attention to aliens or drunks for some national security reason?

Was the BSR (Badger Seeking Radar) really invented to detect faeries? (BTW surely we can be proud of how the invention of BSR shows how Britain leads the way in the culling of native life forms)

Is the BSR a coverup for the secret military extermination of faeries?

After all there's quite a few military types here, so how many of them have seen a faerie on Salisbury Plains for example? QED.

Pretty sure I've seen a furry on Salisbury Plains. He wasn't a badger though.

There's a Fairey Gannet as Errol Airfield

Stig lives on Salisbury Plain. FACT.

Bertrand Russell said " When possible substitute constructions out of known entities for inferences of unknown entities, mines a half, are you looking at my pint Hic"

Some of these ETs are known to live among us.

and a big hello to any reading this thread!

which, incidentally, is shaping up nicely, and has been very amusing. please continue, all.

especially madasaboxoffrogssmith and hammyuk, your posting has filled my office bound day with mirth

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Approximately over 80 different species of ETs (or EBEs - extraterrestrial biological entities - as called in military circles) have been recorded as visiting earth. And that's if it's ETs doing it. Could be intraterrestrials i.e. entities from within the earth.

I can safely say, with no shadow of doubt and without fear of contradiction, that this and the rest of message it's taken from, is the maddest intervention on any internet forum in the entire history of the universe.

I fear a little pootle to Chilbolton is in order, haven't been there for donkey's years. My new favourite tea shop is nearby and possibly may be able to investigate this proposed bloody wind farm that's also close by.

I do like a sense of purpose when I go pootling. 8) Makes a change from seeking out ancient and buried monuments and chatting to grey wethers.

6079smithw - Member
...Could be intraterrestrials i.e. entities from within the earth...

That would be [s]badgers[/s] faeries then...

piedi di formaggio - Member

what tyres for the reptillan illuminate?

Oh, and just one ickle request from me. Can you link to your sources please?

Clifford Stone: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZC.htm
John Lear: http://www.codemonkeyjack.com/MoiraPrefecture.com/ForteanArchive/CompleteListOfSpecies.html

piemonster - Member
You can see the Nazca lines from local hill tops. Additionally, the drawings (scrawling) are actually pretty crap. I'd expect anything capable of interstellar travel to be better

I'm beginning to like this guy

Me too, I was worried this thread was petering out.

this is my fave post of the year so far, keep it going.. please 😛
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as a side, I've just watched children of the stones, one of the best documentaries I've seen, I'm surprised that them haven't suppressed it..

What do Paul Hellyers views on Aliens have to do with crop circles anyway?

100!

Try this for a start. I think an [b]ex-cabinet [/b]minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

Your blind faith in anyone that agrees with you is brilliant.

Almost as entertaining as the crazy ideas you seem happy to believe without any credible evidence.

stop trying to put him off, this is fun

I honestly think that the most likely explanation, if genuine Extra Terrestrials are involved, is that they are taking the piss, al-la Douglas Adams.

But the likelihood of inebriated students doing it is a serious order of magnitude higher.

Shame its not[s] probing [/s] barley season or I'd be tempted to make one after what I just consumed....

One thing we haven't considered is drunken ETs, but you'd think the faeries would see them off...

Try this for a start. I think an ex-cabinet minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

The argument from authority - the UFO nutjob's go-to logical fallacy of choice.

piemonster - Member

What do Paul Hellyers views on Aliens have to do with crop circles anyway?

nealglover - Member

Your blind faith in anyone that agrees with you is brilliant.

Almost as entertaining as the crazy ideas you seem happy to believe without any credible evidence.

samcheese - Member

The argument from authority - the UFO nutjob's go-to logical fallacy of choice.

I can understand people not being sure if ETs make crop circles because like I said earlier, I'm not sure either.
The people who say that they're all man made, I think the onus is on you to prove that because that's far easier.
So until you have footage of English men going into a field to recreate one of those fancy intricate crop circles seen above in one night then you have no proof and it remains unknown who makes them all.

Remember that crop circle made in California a few days ago?[img] [/img]
Well it seems its message is readable, it was just written in braille! And it seems to say '192' a lot.
Obviously the aliens lamenting the privatisation of the old direct enquiries are also cycling fans 😆

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2014/01/update-on-crop-circle-in-salinas.html

Have a good weekend y'all

I think an ex-cabinet minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

It says at the beginning that he made his 'discovery' in retirement. So he's no different to any other nutjob. In fact the implication that whilst working ad the defence minister he did NOT find evidence of aliens actually backs up the idea that there has not been contact.

And spare me the closed mind stuff. Personally, I'm sure that there are aliens out there somewhere. However given what evidence we have so far I'm sure that they have not made contact. And to be honest I'm not sure they ever will. For any alien to come here requires them to do something that is probably not even possible at all ever. Just because we have solved big problems in the past does not mean all problems are soluble.

Burden of proof, another logical fallacy.

Thing is, we do have some proof they're made by blokes with a plank and a bit of rope. Which would be them owning up to it.

Yes, this is much better. Good work.

Some people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that either aliens visit earth or that they even exist at all, thus ruling out any alien involvement in crop circles.

Massive amount of bllx that involves ignoring everything you don't want to hear. Great effort.

Never surprises me on here! So much easier for the sheeple to say ' your bloody crazy believing things like that! ' We are very extremely primitive and yet people think they know it all now.

We're not sheeple. You can't just accuse us of that simply because we disagree with you.

We also do not think we know it all. We're just saying we think that the current evidence for alien co tact is insufficient.

YOU ate, however, claiming to know a lot of things. So why can you know things and we can't?

Priv'liged position, lizard ambassador, innit?

Never surprises me on here! So much easier for the sheeple to say ' your bloody crazy believing things like that! ' We are very extremely primitive and yet people think they know it all now.

There's a key difference between believing in life existing not on Earth. And believing that UFOs are responsible for crop circles.

On this matter, I'm with Stephen Hawking. Following like a sheep of course.

I can understand people not being sure if ETs make crop circles because like I said earlier, I'm not sure either.
The people who say that they're all man made, I think the onus is on you to prove that because that's far easier.
So until you have footage of English men going into a field to recreate one of those fancy intricate crop circles seen above in one night then you have no proof and it remains unknown who makes them all.

Now you're just playing silly buggers.

Crop circles started appearing. People speculated as to what they might be. Some people thought it was aliens. Then, the perpetrators came forward and showed how they did it. Crop circles became more and more elaborate as more and more people got on board and improved their skills.

Now, it's possible that some are still made by aliens. But given the choice between "people did it" and "alien Banksy did it", one possibility does seem somewhat more likely than the other, does it not?

Because, as I said before, even if you're not a stone bonker and aliens actually do walk amongst us, spending their time secretly drawing pictures in fields would seem somewhat illogical behaviour for an advanced race capable of interstellar travel, would it not?

This is the god argument all over again, isn't it. Unless the perpetrators of every single piece of crop art come forward, then it's technically possible that only [b]most [/b]of them are man made. The rest may well be aliens, or fairly equally likely may be a message from god, tasmanian devils, low flying bee swarms, ghosts, rare freak weather formations, grass-spontaneously-lying-down syndrome, or sudden synchronised mole activity.

Or turning that around, even if you really Want To Believe in aliens, there's little reason to think that they're responsible for crop circles just we can't prove explicitly they aren't. By that logic, aliens could be responsible for everything in the world that we don't know the originator / creator for. Every piece of graffiti, every unsolved crime, the can of Fanta someone's chucked in my front garden, junk mail, all done by aliens. Can't prove otherwise.

Further reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

I hope this has some [i]bearing[/i] on the topic, but I'm a footpath inspector and spend a lot of my time walking through fields, and I actually see about 10 crop circles every summer!

Before anyone gets excited they're mostly small (>30ft) and incomplete / irregular (3/4 circles or ellipses, etc) and are predominantly on cereal crops a few weeks before harvest, presumably when the heads are heavy enough for them to fold down. I've seen some in thick silage fields too, but with less of a defined edge.

IIRC I've only ever seen 1 'proper' circular one and it was a neat little thing about 20ft wide. I took photos but from my perspective you could only see crop / edge / nothing.

I actually saw one being made too, it was a dry summer day and a 'dirt devil' appeared in the distance, swirled for 15 seconds, disappeared and it made a random blob shaped depression in some wheat 🙂 from memory all the stalks were squished in different directions, not smoothly folded in one direction.

Maybe a few hundred years ago they'd be attributed to the Devil / faeries / whoevar.

So yeah, there are indeed 'real' crop circles. Don't really want to get into the whole aliens / drunk students thing though TBH 🙂

I hope this has some bearing on the topic

Sod off with your rational, well reasoned post. There's no place for you here.

I hope this has some bearing on the topic, but I'm a footpath inspector and spend a lot of my time walking through fields, and I actually see about 10 crop circles every summer!

A sensible reply from somebody who knows what they're talking about? You reckon that's relevant? Have you not read the rest of this thread?

I'm betting that "dust devil" you saw was actually the exhaust from an alien spaceship taking off.

Have you ever seen an alien? Maybe they look like dust devils. That'd explain why no-one's ever caught a little green - sorry, extraterrestrial biological entity.

(I watched the X-files too...)

molgrips - Member 
We're not sheeple. You can't just accuse us of that simply because we disagree with you.

We also do not think we know it all. We're just saying we think that the current evidence for alien co tact is insufficient.

[b]YOU ate, however, claiming to know a lot of things. So why can you know things and we can't?[/b]

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The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,
Thinking what you think is rational with a scientific explanation is all you know, and all we know, I'm not saying I believe in so called little green men making circles in the crops, but what makes you know so much more that there isn't anything else it could be than that of a drunken student?
It's so much easier for people to slag someone off who dares say what he thinks it could be, then one by one all the sheeple follow what's safe to follow. My great uncle used to work in the air force and tells me he's seen a lot of crazy and bizarre things in the sky that he ' rationally ' couldn't explain, ufo's being some of them, he said a lot of pilots saw strange things but would they report them?... No, because, people can't accept the unexplainable, he said it's a lot safer to keep things to yourself, and this is why I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this. 🙄

Cougar that's just krasae talk! [i]Bearing[/i] in mind my first pun was too subtle 🙁

I'll get my (tin foil) coat.

[edit] I shall end with a rather apt quote: -

The fate of all explanation is to close one door only to have another fly wide open

I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this.

So you respect people who say what they think... unless that contradicts what you think in which case they are sheeple "having a go".

Genius. 😀

The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,

Prove it, with comparative examples.

Aliens at work...

people can't accept the unexplainable

Well, two things.

1) Plenty of people can't accept that some things [i]are [/i]unexplainable, and the absence of a rational explanation feel perfectly justified in making up any old shite and then demanding everyone else gives it equal consideration.

In the case of the current example of crop circles, for instance, they [i]could [/i]be caused by aliens, freak weather, or beery farmers. I'm not disputing that. But should we give all three of these theories equal credence, are they all equally likely?

2) Some people can't accept that the unexplainable should be attributed to supernatural forces when we've already got a perfectly valid, highly likely suggestion (to wit, someone admitting to it). Sure, it would be pig-headed not to explore other theories, but those theories need to have a bit more meat on the bone than "I really believe it quite a lot so I'm right", otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

Cougar that's just krasae talk!

Oh, very good. (-:

the mating ritual of wild Wombles

Got any videos of this??? 😆

otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

Wombles, their smaller than Badgers aren't they?

My great uncle used to work in the air force and tells me he's seen a lot of crazy and bizarre things in the sky that he ' rationally ' couldn't explain

I don't doubt that. But critically, as I said in the previous post, just because he can't explain them does not qualify him / someone else to make things up and present them as fact.

It's entirely possible that he's seen extra-terrestrial spacecraft. He may also have seen comets, weather balloons, other classified aircraft he wasn't cleared to know about, or even had visual disturbances due to forces in the aeroplane affecting his brain. It's also possible that he was telling tall tales in order to sound exciting. Are all of these scenarios equally likely?

If I were a pilot and 'saw something' I doubt I'd report it either. Not from a fear of the Men in Black or because people wouldn't be able to handle the unknown, but because I expect that I'd almost certainly be grounded if it was suspected that I was seeing things.

Got any videos of this???

Rule 34.

GrahamS - Member 
I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this.
So you respect people who say what they think... unless that contradicts what you think in which case they are sheeple "having a go".

Genius.

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Oh dear, here we go 🙄

Cougar - Moderator 
people can't accept the unexplainable
Well, two things.

1) Plenty of people can't accept that some things are unexplainable, and the absence of a rational explanation feel perfectly justified in making up any old shite and then demanding everyone else gives it equal consideration.

In the case of the current example of crop circles, for instance, they could be caused by aliens, freak weather, or beery farmers. I'm not disputing that. But should we give all three of these theories equal credence, are they all equally likely?

2) Some people can't accept that the unexplainable should be attributed to supernatural forces when we've already got a perfectly valid, highly likely suggestion (to wit, someone admitting to it). Sure, it would be pig-headed not to explore other theories, but those theories need to have a bit more meat on the bone than "I really believe it quite a lot so I'm right", otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

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Cougar, he could have seen anything up there, yes, nobody knows for sure just as nobody knows for sure who did them crop circles, although rationally speaking it is so much easier to say drunk students.

having been a student and often drunk I'm pretty sure that I couldn't have made an accurate crop circle, however, quite often I had no recollection of the evenings events so it's entirely possible that an alien could have made me do it via some kind of probe. this I feel satisfies both views and perhaps we can all agree that it's the most probable method. having said that I was at Sheffield and I don't recall any reports in the area at the time....

rationally speaking it is so much easier to say drunk students.

It's not that it's [i]easier to say it[/i], it's that it's considerably [i]more likely to be the case.[/i]

Do I need to type more slowly or something?

And you know what? You're wrong about it being easier too.

It's not easier to attribute unknown phenomena to Earthly rather than fantastic explanations. It's considerably more difficult. Providing demonstrably provable explanations which stand up to tests and scrutiny is comparably difficult; going "aliens did it" instead is a piece of piss.

See also, "god did it."

CitizenSmiff/dadoronron70, possibly concrete proof that keeping an open mind just means that others come along and fill it with rubbish.
Or else kaesae has surfaced from whatever subterranean hideaway he's been lurking in.

I do like a sense of purpose when I go pootling. Makes a change from seeking out ancient and buried monuments and chatting to grey wethers.

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Grey wethers, refusing to talk about who's making the bloody crop circles!

See also, "god did it."

4200 religions and counting.

They cant [i]all[/i] be right.

Oh dear, here we go

*hatches plan to hide behind rocks on Fyfield Down to "talk" to mtbers

Does that mean what you believe is more credible than what a former defence minister of a G8 country has witnessed and researched?

Basing my answer purely on what he believes.

Yes.

The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,

Compared to what exactly ???

Genuine question.

Compared to what exactly ???

Compared to a species that travel vast intergalactic distances in order to burn the rectums out of cattle.

The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,

We may be, yes, but there are certain incontrovertible things that we know that are always going to be the case regardless of what planet you are on. Atomic weight of helium is always going to be four. And building spaceships is always going to require advanced civilizations. And civilisations will always need certain things, etc.

I'm not saying that it's not aliens btw, or that I know what it is. I just think that the alien explanation is extremely unlikely.

[quote=Cougar]It's entirely possible that he's seen extra-terrestrial spacecraft. He may also have seen comets

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or

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[quote=molgrips]Atomic weight of helium is always going to be four.

Unless it's three - and it's certainly possible there are planets where that is more abundant than 4. I'll accept that it's reasonable to ignore the other isotopes with half-lives <1s. 😉

You know what I meant smartarse 🙂

piemonster - Member
*hatches plan to hide behind rocks on Fyfield Down to "talk" to mtbers

The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,

I know i'm the 3rd person to ask this, but no answer yet so I will go again...

Compared to what exactly? the human brain is regarded as the most complex structure in the known universe, we understand comparatively more about black holes and galaxies than our own brains.... So how are we so primitive?

I am quite prepared to accept / believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere, afterall the universe is just soooo huge, that it's bound to support life of some sort somewhere.

As to whether they have visited us, I'm yet to be convinced. I'm happy to be convinced if someone can actually produce some compelling [b]evidence[/b] to prove it. This evidence would need to be convincing though, not just something that someone has written because that's what they think / believe has happened. As has been said already in this post, it's all very well someone saying 'prove it wasn't aliens that made crop circles', but that's a piss easy thing to say when you [b]can't[/b] prove it was aliens either.

What we do know is that at least some crop circles are made by humans for reasons of entertainmemnt, probably pretty much all of them are as far as I can work out. Hell, even advertisers have engaged the services of such people on occasion.

As for saying we should believe because such & such a person ssays we should, because they used to be a politician or something, well that's just silly. David Icke used to be a well respoected sports commentator, but he's got some pretty extreme views now and doesn't command the respect he once did. As for trusting an ex politician??? I think we know that politicians can't always be trusted.

Anyway, show us some [b]proper[/b] evidence of aliens making crop circles please

There was a crop circle maker on More4 talking to Tony Robinson last night, he was a bit funny looking. But I put it down to him having had a beer.

Apparently his best effort was a thatched design.

My great uncle used to work in the air force and tells me he's seen a lot of crazy and bizarre things in the sky that he ' rationally ' couldn't explain, ufo's being some of them

my dad used to be an astronaut and saw UFOs, they must be true

my brother was a chef in the RAF and saw a UFO once, so they must be true

my mate used to work in a boy band and started seeing UFOs*, so they must be true

this has a name - 'appeal to authority' fallacy.

incidentally, funny how you never hear that military pilot story repeated about commercial pilots, or balloonists.

* ok, so I'm not mates with robbie williams, but he did start seeing UFOs, nothing to do with the massive cocaine habit you understand

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/01/seismologists-offer-explanation-for-mysterious-aerial-light-orbs-preceding-quakes/

Most likely explanation for a number of UFO cases.

incidentally, funny how you never hear that military pilot story repeated about commercial pilots

Actually you do, there are a few famous incidents in UFO lore. Only flaw in an otherwise excellent post 🙂

Remember that crop circle made in California a few days ago?
Well it seems its message is readable, it was just written in braille! And it seems to say '192' a lot.
Obviously the aliens lamenting the privatisation of the old direct enquiries are also cycling fans

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVDrjAFibHI

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2014/01/update-on-crop-circle-in-salinas.html

Have a good weekend y'all

Now revealed to be a marketing stunt for the new Nvidia processor, which has 192 cores.

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Actually you do, there are a few famous incidents in UFO lore.

Self inflicted fail! Dammit!

I know 4 airline pilots, 2 work for Virgin and the other two random "other" airlines.
So sitting sipping beers on the Club decking a couple of years ago in summer when all 4 were together, I got the conversaton going.."so UFO's, seen any?"

3 of the 4 said Yes.
2 reported it.

So - they've seen [i]Unidentified[/i] Flying Objects. This does not imply aliens.

Absolutely, interestingly the 2 that didn't report what they saw were told not to by the Airlines they worked for.

I have watched masses of stuff and read soo many books on this topic that I'm a bit blase' about whether there are or there are not now aliens, shame really cos' if you'd asked me 10 years ago I'da said an emphatic Yes to the existance, now I believe aliens are either here already or like us haven't developed travel fast or efficient enough for them to come here.. or they are here and just messing with our minds.

Fun though, while it lasts 😉

So... secret military aircraft is the most plausible possibility for the airline pilot UFOs?

After all we have concrete proof of governments keeping very high performance aircraft top secret in the past.

interestingly the 2 that didn't report what they saw were told not to by the Airlines they worked for.

As I said before; do you really want to tell your boss you think you're seeing things when your job is "airline pilot"?

secret military aircraft

Which, in and of itself, is pretty damn implausible in this day and age.

You mean - that the military could keep aircraft a secret, without anyone seeing them?

Except they are being seen by someone, or at least evidence is.