[Closed] Does anybody actually believe crop circles are made by UFOs?

Approximately over 80 different species of ETs (or EBEs - extraterrestrial biological entities - as called in military circles) have been recorded as visiting earth. And that's if it's ETs doing it. Could be intraterrestrials i.e. entities from within the earth.

I can safely say, with no shadow of doubt and without fear of contradiction, that this and the rest of message it's taken from, is the maddest intervention on any internet forum in the entire history of the universe.

I fear a little pootle to Chilbolton is in order, haven't been there for donkey's years. My new favourite tea shop is nearby and possibly may be able to investigate this proposed bloody wind farm that's also close by.

I do like a sense of purpose when I go pootling. 8) Makes a change from seeking out ancient and buried monuments and chatting to grey wethers.

6079smithw - Member
...Could be intraterrestrials i.e. entities from within the earth...

That would be [s]badgers[/s] faeries then...

piedi di formaggio - Member

what tyres for the reptillan illuminate?

Oh, and just one ickle request from me. Can you link to your sources please?

Clifford Stone: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZC.htm
John Lear: http://www.codemonkeyjack.com/MoiraPrefecture.com/ForteanArchive/CompleteListOfSpecies.html

piemonster - Member
You can see the Nazca lines from local hill tops. Additionally, the drawings (scrawling) are actually pretty crap. I'd expect anything capable of interstellar travel to be better

I'm beginning to like this guy

Me too, I was worried this thread was petering out.

this is my fave post of the year so far, keep it going.. please 😛
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as a side, I've just watched children of the stones, one of the best documentaries I've seen, I'm surprised that them haven't suppressed it..

What do Paul Hellyers views on Aliens have to do with crop circles anyway?

100!

Try this for a start. I think an [b]ex-cabinet [/b]minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

Your blind faith in anyone that agrees with you is brilliant.

Almost as entertaining as the crazy ideas you seem happy to believe without any credible evidence.

stop trying to put him off, this is fun

I honestly think that the most likely explanation, if genuine Extra Terrestrials are involved, is that they are taking the piss, al-la Douglas Adams.

But the likelihood of inebriated students doing it is a serious order of magnitude higher.

Shame its not[s] probing [/s] barley season or I'd be tempted to make one after what I just consumed....

One thing we haven't considered is drunken ETs, but you'd think the faeries would see them off...

Try this for a start. I think an ex-cabinet minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

The argument from authority - the UFO nutjob's go-to logical fallacy of choice.

piemonster - Member

What do Paul Hellyers views on Aliens have to do with crop circles anyway?

nealglover - Member

Your blind faith in anyone that agrees with you is brilliant.

Almost as entertaining as the crazy ideas you seem happy to believe without any credible evidence.

samcheese - Member

The argument from authority - the UFO nutjob's go-to logical fallacy of choice.

I can understand people not being sure if ETs make crop circles because like I said earlier, I'm not sure either.
The people who say that they're all man made, I think the onus is on you to prove that because that's far easier.
So until you have footage of English men going into a field to recreate one of those fancy intricate crop circles seen above in one night then you have no proof and it remains unknown who makes them all.

Remember that crop circle made in California a few days ago?[img] [/img]
Well it seems its message is readable, it was just written in braille! And it seems to say '192' a lot.
Obviously the aliens lamenting the privatisation of the old direct enquiries are also cycling fans 😆

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2014/01/update-on-crop-circle-in-salinas.html

Have a good weekend y'all

I think an ex-cabinet minister would know more than some cycling enthusiasts.

It says at the beginning that he made his 'discovery' in retirement. So he's no different to any other nutjob. In fact the implication that whilst working ad the defence minister he did NOT find evidence of aliens actually backs up the idea that there has not been contact.

And spare me the closed mind stuff. Personally, I'm sure that there are aliens out there somewhere. However given what evidence we have so far I'm sure that they have not made contact. And to be honest I'm not sure they ever will. For any alien to come here requires them to do something that is probably not even possible at all ever. Just because we have solved big problems in the past does not mean all problems are soluble.

Burden of proof, another logical fallacy.

Thing is, we do have some proof they're made by blokes with a plank and a bit of rope. Which would be them owning up to it.

Yes, this is much better. Good work.

Some people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that either aliens visit earth or that they even exist at all, thus ruling out any alien involvement in crop circles.

Massive amount of bllx that involves ignoring everything you don't want to hear. Great effort.

Never surprises me on here! So much easier for the sheeple to say ' your bloody crazy believing things like that! ' We are very extremely primitive and yet people think they know it all now.

We're not sheeple. You can't just accuse us of that simply because we disagree with you.

We also do not think we know it all. We're just saying we think that the current evidence for alien co tact is insufficient.

YOU ate, however, claiming to know a lot of things. So why can you know things and we can't?

Priv'liged position, lizard ambassador, innit?

Never surprises me on here! So much easier for the sheeple to say ' your bloody crazy believing things like that! ' We are very extremely primitive and yet people think they know it all now.

There's a key difference between believing in life existing not on Earth. And believing that UFOs are responsible for crop circles.

On this matter, I'm with Stephen Hawking. Following like a sheep of course.

I can understand people not being sure if ETs make crop circles because like I said earlier, I'm not sure either.
The people who say that they're all man made, I think the onus is on you to prove that because that's far easier.
So until you have footage of English men going into a field to recreate one of those fancy intricate crop circles seen above in one night then you have no proof and it remains unknown who makes them all.

Now you're just playing silly buggers.

Crop circles started appearing. People speculated as to what they might be. Some people thought it was aliens. Then, the perpetrators came forward and showed how they did it. Crop circles became more and more elaborate as more and more people got on board and improved their skills.

Now, it's possible that some are still made by aliens. But given the choice between "people did it" and "alien Banksy did it", one possibility does seem somewhat more likely than the other, does it not?

Because, as I said before, even if you're not a stone bonker and aliens actually do walk amongst us, spending their time secretly drawing pictures in fields would seem somewhat illogical behaviour for an advanced race capable of interstellar travel, would it not?

This is the god argument all over again, isn't it. Unless the perpetrators of every single piece of crop art come forward, then it's technically possible that only [b]most [/b]of them are man made. The rest may well be aliens, or fairly equally likely may be a message from god, tasmanian devils, low flying bee swarms, ghosts, rare freak weather formations, grass-spontaneously-lying-down syndrome, or sudden synchronised mole activity.

Or turning that around, even if you really Want To Believe in aliens, there's little reason to think that they're responsible for crop circles just we can't prove explicitly they aren't. By that logic, aliens could be responsible for everything in the world that we don't know the originator / creator for. Every piece of graffiti, every unsolved crime, the can of Fanta someone's chucked in my front garden, junk mail, all done by aliens. Can't prove otherwise.

Further reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

I hope this has some [i]bearing[/i] on the topic, but I'm a footpath inspector and spend a lot of my time walking through fields, and I actually see about 10 crop circles every summer!

Before anyone gets excited they're mostly small (>30ft) and incomplete / irregular (3/4 circles or ellipses, etc) and are predominantly on cereal crops a few weeks before harvest, presumably when the heads are heavy enough for them to fold down. I've seen some in thick silage fields too, but with less of a defined edge.

IIRC I've only ever seen 1 'proper' circular one and it was a neat little thing about 20ft wide. I took photos but from my perspective you could only see crop / edge / nothing.

I actually saw one being made too, it was a dry summer day and a 'dirt devil' appeared in the distance, swirled for 15 seconds, disappeared and it made a random blob shaped depression in some wheat 🙂 from memory all the stalks were squished in different directions, not smoothly folded in one direction.

Maybe a few hundred years ago they'd be attributed to the Devil / faeries / whoevar.

So yeah, there are indeed 'real' crop circles. Don't really want to get into the whole aliens / drunk students thing though TBH 🙂

I hope this has some bearing on the topic

Sod off with your rational, well reasoned post. There's no place for you here.

I hope this has some bearing on the topic, but I'm a footpath inspector and spend a lot of my time walking through fields, and I actually see about 10 crop circles every summer!

A sensible reply from somebody who knows what they're talking about? You reckon that's relevant? Have you not read the rest of this thread?

I'm betting that "dust devil" you saw was actually the exhaust from an alien spaceship taking off.

Have you ever seen an alien? Maybe they look like dust devils. That'd explain why no-one's ever caught a little green - sorry, extraterrestrial biological entity.

(I watched the X-files too...)

molgrips - Member 
We're not sheeple. You can't just accuse us of that simply because we disagree with you.

We also do not think we know it all. We're just saying we think that the current evidence for alien co tact is insufficient.

[b]YOU ate, however, claiming to know a lot of things. So why can you know things and we can't?[/b]

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The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,
Thinking what you think is rational with a scientific explanation is all you know, and all we know, I'm not saying I believe in so called little green men making circles in the crops, but what makes you know so much more that there isn't anything else it could be than that of a drunken student?
It's so much easier for people to slag someone off who dares say what he thinks it could be, then one by one all the sheeple follow what's safe to follow. My great uncle used to work in the air force and tells me he's seen a lot of crazy and bizarre things in the sky that he ' rationally ' couldn't explain, ufo's being some of them, he said a lot of pilots saw strange things but would they report them?... No, because, people can't accept the unexplainable, he said it's a lot safer to keep things to yourself, and this is why I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this. 🙄

Cougar that's just krasae talk! [i]Bearing[/i] in mind my first pun was too subtle 🙁

I'll get my (tin foil) coat.

[edit] I shall end with a rather apt quote: -

The fate of all explanation is to close one door only to have another fly wide open

I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this.

So you respect people who say what they think... unless that contradicts what you think in which case they are sheeple "having a go".

Genius. 😀

The only thing I'm claiming is that we are a very extremely primitive species,

Prove it, with comparative examples.

Aliens at work...

people can't accept the unexplainable

Well, two things.

1) Plenty of people can't accept that some things [i]are [/i]unexplainable, and the absence of a rational explanation feel perfectly justified in making up any old shite and then demanding everyone else gives it equal consideration.

In the case of the current example of crop circles, for instance, they [i]could [/i]be caused by aliens, freak weather, or beery farmers. I'm not disputing that. But should we give all three of these theories equal credence, are they all equally likely?

2) Some people can't accept that the unexplainable should be attributed to supernatural forces when we've already got a perfectly valid, highly likely suggestion (to wit, someone admitting to it). Sure, it would be pig-headed not to explore other theories, but those theories need to have a bit more meat on the bone than "I really believe it quite a lot so I'm right", otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

Cougar that's just krasae talk!

Oh, very good. (-:

the mating ritual of wild Wombles

Got any videos of this??? 😆

otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

Wombles, their smaller than Badgers aren't they?

My great uncle used to work in the air force and tells me he's seen a lot of crazy and bizarre things in the sky that he ' rationally ' couldn't explain

I don't doubt that. But critically, as I said in the previous post, just because he can't explain them does not qualify him / someone else to make things up and present them as fact.

It's entirely possible that he's seen extra-terrestrial spacecraft. He may also have seen comets, weather balloons, other classified aircraft he wasn't cleared to know about, or even had visual disturbances due to forces in the aeroplane affecting his brain. It's also possible that he was telling tall tales in order to sound exciting. Are all of these scenarios equally likely?

If I were a pilot and 'saw something' I doubt I'd report it either. Not from a fear of the Men in Black or because people wouldn't be able to handle the unknown, but because I expect that I'd almost certainly be grounded if it was suspected that I was seeing things.

Got any videos of this???

Rule 34.

GrahamS - Member 
I respect people who aren't afraid of being themselves and saying what they think rather than the sheeple that are on here that are ready to have a go at me now for saying this.
So you respect people who say what they think... unless that contradicts what you think in which case they are sheeple "having a go".

Genius.

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Oh dear, here we go 🙄

Cougar - Moderator 
people can't accept the unexplainable
Well, two things.

1) Plenty of people can't accept that some things are unexplainable, and the absence of a rational explanation feel perfectly justified in making up any old shite and then demanding everyone else gives it equal consideration.

In the case of the current example of crop circles, for instance, they could be caused by aliens, freak weather, or beery farmers. I'm not disputing that. But should we give all three of these theories equal credence, are they all equally likely?

2) Some people can't accept that the unexplainable should be attributed to supernatural forces when we've already got a perfectly valid, highly likely suggestion (to wit, someone admitting to it). Sure, it would be pig-headed not to explore other theories, but those theories need to have a bit more meat on the bone than "I really believe it quite a lot so I'm right", otherwise we're down to exploring the possibility that the phenomenon is caused by the mating ritual of wild Wombles.

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Cougar, he could have seen anything up there, yes, nobody knows for sure just as nobody knows for sure who did them crop circles, although rationally speaking it is so much easier to say drunk students.

having been a student and often drunk I'm pretty sure that I couldn't have made an accurate crop circle, however, quite often I had no recollection of the evenings events so it's entirely possible that an alien could have made me do it via some kind of probe. this I feel satisfies both views and perhaps we can all agree that it's the most probable method. having said that I was at Sheffield and I don't recall any reports in the area at the time....

rationally speaking it is so much easier to say drunk students.

It's not that it's [i]easier to say it[/i], it's that it's considerably [i]more likely to be the case.[/i]

Do I need to type more slowly or something?

And you know what? You're wrong about it being easier too.

It's not easier to attribute unknown phenomena to Earthly rather than fantastic explanations. It's considerably more difficult. Providing demonstrably provable explanations which stand up to tests and scrutiny is comparably difficult; going "aliens did it" instead is a piece of piss.

See also, "god did it."