Your posts are very funny.
the BMA has effectively run a massive bullying campaign on social media is that it never intended to compromise on anything.
This got the biggest laugh from me
Out of interest did you ever write a dossier for Tony?
This got the biggest laugh from me
Yes, that was a good one, but I prefer:
Doctors have been systematically misled by their union
in defence of a Health Secretary who continually misused studies of the "weekend effect" even after the fallacy of his statements was exposed in the clearest possible terms, and then claimed support for his contract imposition from people who had never given that support.
I like this one.
The principles underpinning the changes to the contract they say can't work are already the basis of contracts worked by hundreds of thousands of nurses, paramedics
No they're really not. We have as strict as possible working time regulations, we can't force staff to do more than 5 shifts in a row, they must have 11 hours off between shifts, we try to make sure they get the breaks they're entitled to sadly that often fails. The working week is 37.5 hours worked out over 13 weeks so nothing like Dr's at all.
No they're really not. We have as strict as possible working time regulations, we can't force staff to do more than 5 shifts in a row, they must have 11 hours off between shifts, we try to make sure they get the breaks they're entitled to sadly that often fails. The working week is 37.5 hours worked out over 13 weeks so nothing like Dr's at all.
Yes, but apart from that j5m is completely correct.
Oh look - more lies ...
Just 5 minutes? I'd have thought it would take longer than that to read the Telegraph and Daily Mail to get these opinions?! I challenge you, whoever you are (Hunt's godson?) to come to a BMA meeting and meet these "misled" people. You trust them with your life yet don't believe they can see through the obfuscation of the lies propogated by this government to suit their ends. Believe me if we felt that more people were dying at weekends due to doctors staffing we would all be at work.
This is the very opposite of what will happen
Excellent post, speedstar - especially regarding the likely effect upon on-call registrars. Given [i]existing[/i] gaps in acute care rotas, it's extraordinary that they should be penalised.
Doctors have been systematically misled by their union
Yes, because thousands of highly-trained medics are entirely incapable of thinking for themselves.
You are beyond satire.
As for bullying on social media - what, like (repeatedly) pointing out Hunt's abuse of stats? Or how his 7 day rhetoric remains unfunded and dangerously unworkable (e.g. the excellent @bendean1979 on Twitter)? Or how the welcome goal of uniform provision (+/- certain elective stuff) will not be achieved by stretching 5 day resourcing over 7? Or why an imposed contract will worsen existing recruitment issues? And - [i]above all[/i] - why this presents a threat to patient safety?
he has personally had very little to do with the negotiations
Other than imposing this damn stupid contract and cooking-up a spurious case for it. The unease of FT execs (see the ongoing "signaturegate") speaks volumes.
Now imagine all this squeeze coming from EU-SSR where the bureaucrats dictate to the ministers of the member state to " ...deal with it ..." or else ... 😯
Does anyone become a doctor for the 9-5? Surely no junior doctor thought they'd work Monday to Friday 9-5: personally, I'm self-employed and so have the luxury of working 7 days a week in an industry where it's deemed ok that you can contact me on high days and holidays. I've had calls and even visitors - 'we were just passing' - on New Year's Day, Christmas Day, Mother's Day.. Yet I greet each and every one with a smile. And to supplement the inevitable quiet times I do agency work for the profession I am qualified to do.
It seems the NHS is in financial and workforce freefall so maybe it's time to admit defeat and start charging?
bex - MemberDoes anyone become a doctor for the 9-5? Surely no junior doctor thought they'd work Monday to Friday 9-5:
Absolutely none of this is about working 9-5.
Absolutely none of this is about working 9-5
No it's about money
Doctors are a well paid mobile workforce where demand outstrips supply
They are part of the top 1% of the workforce and expect to treated like that or will exercise their mobility by moving or becoming locums
They feel its demeaning that unsocial hours might be paid without an appropriate enhancement to reflect the additional commitment
They will also retire early as the latest pension reforms mean that working beyond a point where their pension pot is valued >£1million they no longer get tax relief and so might as well retire
They also make important decisions which affect your quality or extent of life so unless you are very lucky you need them
At the end of the day you just need to doff your cap and throw money at them
And remember mid staffs was the NHS managers not the doctors killing people
So in summary, throw money at them. AKA, stuff their pockets with gold
Jeebus some of the posters on this thread make me weep.
Some just have a different political view, and that's fair enough. Not the way I see it, but interesting to hear the viewpoint from the other side of the fence.
But others seem to be motivated purely out of spite and the idea that anyone who is better off than them deserves to get shafted and has no right to complain about it. That's just sad. 😕
FWIW:
teef said>
It doesn't seem to have even crossed your mind that you're overpaid - entitlement syndrome? ..
I've been in a job and had a 10% pay cut - didn't like it but it was the circumstances the time.
Arrogant know all syndrome?
Out of interest, when you got your 10% cut did your boss publicly tell everyone it was actually an 11% pay rise?
And did he also denounce you as being responsible for 6,000 deaths because you had a "9 till 5 culture" and "lacked vocation" despite the fact that A) that wasn't what the research said and B) he knew fine well that you already worked nights and weekends and weren't even remotely 9 till 5.
bex said>
Does anyone become a doctor for the 9-5? Surely no junior doctor thought they'd work Monday to Friday 9-5
Correct, they didn't.
And the strikes weren't about them wanting to work 9-5 either.
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No it's about money
....At the end of the day you just need to doff your cap and throw money at them
At no point during this strike have the junior doctors asked for [i]more[/i] money.
They don't want to be paid less than they currently are - who would? Especially when the public are being told it is a pay rise.
But the bigger issue is that the banding system was originally brought in to discourage trusts from speccing rotas with stupidly long unsociable hours, because doing so would cost them money.
That safeguard has worked well.
Too well, because the Tories realise that in order to spread five days worth of staff over seven days they'll need to get doctors to work stupidly long unsociable hours again - so they need to "reform" by reducing the safeguard and replacing it with a toothless alternative with no financial penalty.
Still I'm sure things will be so much better with a privatised NHS.
I see for example that a private firm Alliance Medical (whose board includes Malcolm Ri****d MP) have just been awarded an £80 million contract for cancer screening, [url= http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/nhs-contract-stoke ]despite an NHS consortium putting in a bid that was £7 million cheaper[/url].
That's the kind of private sector efficiencies you just can't get in the public sector eh? 🙄
What's baffling is that whoever is feeding the press from the Dr's point of view is doing a staggeringly bad job of it....it's actually quite simple, I had the misfortune of treating a local politician who counts Hunt as a friend....she asked me why NHS staff were up in arms about an 11% pay rise?....
...to her it was that simple, as far as she (and the media seem to believe) we're all getting an 11% pay rise and are being unreasonable and ungrateful about it.
I explained to her that my salary currently enjoys a 25% unsocial enhancement for working nights, bank holidays, weekends and public holidays (christmas, New year etc)....the current proposals are to take this away and replace it with the much heralded 11% 'rise'.....problem is that if you take 25% of my salary and just replace it with 11% I have a shortfall (or pay cut) of 14% in reality.
The old bird wasn't a bad lass actually and once I'd explained it to her like that she was disgusted.....the problem is this basic illustration doesn't seem to be getting through on the news, instead it's being lost in the hysteria about privatisation of the NHS....that may or may not happen but it's not the issue here.
For a supposedly bright workforce the junior DR's seem to be muddying the waters and diluting their own case by going off on rants about the destruction of the NHS, to the casual listener it's hyperbole and people switch off.
Stick to the point about pay and hammer it home time after time after time....make the press, the public and the politicians understand completely that this is a pay cut....taking away existing unsocial hours enhancements (which often total 25%+ of an NHS workers salary) and replacing with an 11% 'rise' is actually a 14% cut....stick to that argument and you might get more of the public onboard because the general public don't have the attention span to work out all the nuances of this debacle.
Ultimately the biggest losers with be the public, the NHS will become nothing more than a training ground for nurses, doctors and paramedics to learn, qualify and then leave for more money elsewhere....leaving the general public to be treated by very junior staff while those who can afford insurance will get the benefit of being treated by the more experienced clinicians that left the NHS over this scandal.
You can't blame Dr's for what the press report.
The pay rise is now 13.5%, the government has increased it, likewise they have conceded a Saturday supplement to any doctor who has to work 1 in 4 and finally pay is protected for all but those whose hours are not compliant.
The Observer's [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/14/observer-view-on-junior-doctors-dispute ]leader[/url] yesterday seems to me a pretty reasonable summary of the dispute.
It's actually not a "pay rise" of 13.5%. It's actually an average of the increase in amount of basic pay "on transition" from an old pay point to a new one. Some juniors will therefore get up to a 25% pay rise. The most senior "junior doctors" are getting a 2% pay rise.
This is offset by the loss of the 40-50% banding that was received for the unsocial hours payment.
The present safeguards were brought in about 10 years ago - this was at the time my wife was working an average 85hr week - this was for an 18 month period - she worked a split weekend every other weekend. Do we really want to remove these safeguards ?
Her normal week was a 36hr shift every tuesday (9am tuesday to 6pm wednesday without any sleep) with 9 to 5 (usually 7 ) every other day
Weekend was either:
Friday 9am to saturday 9am then Sunday 9am to Monday 6pm
Or
Saturday 9am to Sunday 9am
I used to regularly chat with other medics who had done 48 or 27 hr shift with maybe an hour or 2 sleep every night
Do we really think this is the best way to have our doctors well rested and able to make decisions ?
One thing I haven't heard is where is the extra funding coming from to to employ all the extra people to run a full 7 day shift pattern ? the ohs budget is £116.4 billion this year- so what would it cost to bring us up to a full 7 days ?
Btw the NHS is cheap for what it offers - have a look [url= http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP?order=wbapi_data_value_2013+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc ]here[/url] at health expenditure per head - most developed countries spend a fair amount more than us per head :
The pay rise is now 13.5%, the government has increased it
Yep, all part of the "greedy doctors" spin.
First they make the story that doctors are striking over an 11% rise, then they say, look your strikes are killing people, we can go to 13.5% but no more!
Unfortunately a lot of people are fooled by this spin and deceit (see the lady in deviant's comment above), even though Hunt himself describes the changes as "cost neutral".
Yup. TBH if this was a board game or something that'd be a great move. But they're supposed to be running the NHS not beating it with clever, unscrupulous moves.
deviant - MemberWhat's baffling is that whoever is feeding the press from the Dr's point of view is doing a staggeringly bad job of it
STW victim blaming 😆
I see for example that a private firm Alliance Medical (whose board includes Malcolm Ri****d MP) have just been awarded an £80 million contract for cancer screening, despite an NHS consortium putting in a bid that was £7 million cheaper.
The contract award was more than a year ago and Malcolm Ri****d is quite rightly no longer an MP. It's quite likely the procurement took into account a range of factors in the award criteria - cost is thankfully almost never the sole criteria.
Interesting post deviant and link mefty - thx
A little closer to the non-spin reality of events in both cases
It's quite likely the procurement took into account a range of factors in the award criteria - cost is thankfully almost never the sole criteria.
I'd be interested to know what those other criteria might be because it seems a bit odd that a private firm could make better diagnosises, using the same scanner and most likely the same NHS staff or at least staff with the same NHS training.
And if they can then wouldn't £7 million go a long way to bringing the NHS team up to the same standard?
Personally I think any contract paid for by public money should be published in full along with the procurement and decision documents
Ah more lies and disappearing Hunts.
Doctors paid £15 a ticket to attend an event with Jeremy Hunt. He got wind of this, quietly moved the event to a different location and told the doctors it was "cancelled".
I dunno, on the fence about this one, if you're planning to go to an event to disrupt it or hassle a guest, I don't think you can complain [i]too[/i] much if someone uses a little fib to deter you.
Maybe it's time to bring out the big guns
IMO, that [i]Observer[/i] editorial does not adequately address either the weakening of existing safeguards - or the effect of the net pay [b]cut[/b] on the worsening recruitment situation. There are already significant rota gaps in acute specialties. This contract will not remedy them.
It's fast-becoming academic, anyway - what matters is how patients and clinical staff will be experiencing this on the ground. It will be a world away from DoH spin.
I'd be interested to know what those other criteria might be because it seems a bit odd that a private firm could make better diagnosises, using the same scanner and most likely the same NHS staff or at least staff with the same NHS training.
The contract didn't go to a "private firm". It's a consortium comprising the The Christie NHS Foundation Trust - which is well known for it's world class cancer diagnosis / treatments, as well as other local NHS Trusts, charitable providers and academic institutions.
Alliance Medical seem to be bringing new technology and expertise of driving process efficiency to the party - which has the potential to reduce wait times and increase early detection. Both of which can lead to improvements in cancer outcomes. The UK continues to have amongst the worst cancer survival rates in Europe so maintaining the current status quo clearly hasn't worked.
".... seem to be bringing new technology and expertise of driving process efficiency to the party".
Ex-oncology nurse here. What are these, can you elaborate?
the BMA has effectively run a massive bullying campaign on social media is that it never intended to compromise on anything.
Really? Where?
The government is trying to win over the Daily Mail reader, and quite frankly succeeding on that front at the minute.
There was an NHS bashing article in the DM last week. A senior GP responded saying he couldn't see why doctors had a problem with their 11% pay rise, and they should just shut up and get on with it. Of course this went down very well with the DM readership.
Mrs FD spent all of 2 mins googling him. He's a government advisor, and on their payroll 🙄
Is that straight from the press release ? 😀bringing new technology and expertise of driving process efficiency
just5minutes - MemberThe UK continues to have amongst the worst cancer survival rates in Europe...
largely due to late diagnosis, which is in no small part down to our national tendency to ignore symptoms.
just5minutes any particular ideas why we have the worse cancer survival rates in Europe (by a very marginal amount) is it because our NHS is shit or is it because our population are less well paid , or because the French and Italians have better diets or the Germans are more health concious or because of our massive drinking culture.
"Driving process efficiency" we have that in my world with GOAMY and G4S it means cutting pay alienating staff and inventing reasons why failure is some other organisations fault.
means failure anyway, doesn't it ?G4S
The contract didn't go to a "private firm". It's a consortium
Where did you get that from?
No mention of a consortium on the [url= http://www.alliancemedical.co.uk/who-we-are/our-story ]Alliance Medical website[/url] which proudly says it is [i]"Europe's leading independent provider of medical imaging services.... uniting technical excellence and exceptional service in a business model that delivers outstanding value for money"[/i]
Alliance Medical seem to be bringing new technology
They'll be using the SAME SCANNER that the NHS would use, the "[url= http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/NHS-fight-medical-scanning-outsourcing-decision/story-25850849-detail/story.html ]£3 million PET/CT scanner was installed a year ago at the Royal Stoke University Hospital thanks to a grant, a bequest and £250,000 from a fund-raising appeal.[/url]"
Incidentally, Malcolm Ri****d gets £60,000 pa for his position as a non-Executive Director at Alliance Medical, which [url= http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Ri****d-questions-North-Staffordhire-scanning/story-26083127-detail/story.html ]apparently involves going to ten meetings a year[/url]. I wonder why an ex-defence minister is worth so much to them? 😯
he UK continues to have amongst the worst cancer survival rates in Europe so maintaining the current status quo clearly hasn't worked.
Yup ruining the moral of Jr docs, spreading lies about them in the media, cutting their pay and getting rid of their pay increments whilst carrying out research and specialist training in cancer is obviously going to make things better 😳
Whatever the government has been doing recently they've been making a bad situation worse
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As for ri****d? After quitting after his cash for access revelations its obvious he was bent, and Jeremy Hunt refused to reveal whether he'd been involved in awarding the alliance cancer contract, even 5mins can't be gullible enough to believe that it wasnt dodgy 🙄
[quote=codybrennan spake unto the masses, saying]".... seem to be bringing new technology and expertise of driving process efficiency to the party".
Ex-oncology nurse here. What are these, can you elaborate?
In short, they believe in breaking down the historic boundaries and silos that get in the way of truly progressive and innovative community-based patient care. Forging collaborative partnerships both inside and outside the public sector is a natural and essential extension of this.
Or I could have just cut and pasted that BS from their website. You guess which 🙂
They're so convincing as the language they use is so accessible. You know you can trust people when they declare their commitment with such passion and simple clarity
In short, they believe in breaking down the [s]historic boundaries [/s]NHS and [s]silos[/s]social care that get in the way of [s]truly progressive[/s]neo-liberal ideology and [s]innovative community-based patient care[/s]Jobs for the boys. Forging collaborative partnerships [s]both inside and[/s] outside the public sector is a natural and essential extension of this.
:-)See I re-wrote it for them stripping out the BS.
Kimbers - there's a pretty good explanation for the CRUK trend above which is that there has been a very substantial increase in the number of patients being referred for diagnosis in Secondary Care.
This "front loading" and long lead time in increasing diagnostic capacity (Machines and skilled people to use them) leads to the %age of patients starting treatment going down i.e. more patients diagnosed but same number of staff available for helping patients to commence treatment.
Between 2010 and 2014 the number of patients referred for an urgent cancer diagnosis increased by 53% to 1.5m. The significant increase in the number of urgent referrals also has the effect of leading to small delays in first treatments for patients who have smaller / less aggressive cancers where the risk factors of starting treatment later are lower.
more patients diagnosed but same number of staff available for helping patients to commence treatment.
And the government driving Jr doctors to leave the country helps how?
I can only see the effect it is having on the Jr docs doing cancer research in my lab and 2 of the 5 that finish their PhDs are leaving the NHS, directly because of the government forcing this contract through (loosing the pay increments, despite still doing shifts in the hospital and the Ferdinando effect it will have on their family life) and the way they've tried to malign doctors and the NHS
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/120753
Petition
Parliament to sit on Saturdays which should be a "normal working day" for MPs.
Bout time MPs where on minimum wage the ****s.
Parliament to sit on Saturdays which should be a "normal working day" for MPs.
Many MPs are doing stuff in their constituencies at the weekend already.
Mefty, don't let common sense get in the way of some gesture politics and froth!!!
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Just think of me as one of these - taking off the excess.
The contract award was more than a year ago and Malcolm Ri****d is quite rightly no longer an MP.
Alliance Medical won the contract when Ri****d was an MP and a director of the company.
"Many MPs are doing stuff in their constituencies at the weekend already"
Made up fact of the day ? List 5 MPs who do surgerys on a weekend.
David Warburton, Byron Davies, Chloe Smith, Angela Smith and Khalid Mahmood to name a few, but they do more in the constituency than hold surgeries, my mother's old MP was out and about in the constituency attending functions all weekend.
So just googled all of them they top out at 4 hours a month on Saturdays maximum excluding Khalid Mahamood for whom there was no information. I actively avoid weekend work and I do more than that . Going to social functions does not count as work .
Continuing the spin on the consultants I see:
"When the Guardian interviewed Hunt last Friday he refused to rule out imposing a contract on consultants in England if they did not agree to work at weekends as part of their normal duties.."
The Consultant contracts allow them to opt-out of doing non-emergency elective work at weekends. Hunt has and will focus on this as a reason for "reform". The actual number of consultants that use that opt-out is tiny ([url= http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/1%2525_of_consultants_have_opted_out_of_elective_weekend_working ]less than 1%[/url]), but that won't be mentioned and the opt-out will no doubt be portrayed as a snidey loophole used by the workshy rather than an option built into their contract.
I think the Guardian stated that Hunt ford not do Saturday surgeries
I dont think its froth to mock our leaders for not doing what they expect others to do.....seems plenty opt out perhaps we should impose a contract on them?
Well I never - what have we here... gosh, it seems to echo what medics have being saying all along. 🙄
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/15/weekend-effect-on-hospital-deaths-not-proven-say-hunts-own-officials?CMP=share_btn_tw ]Jeremy Hunt’s key argument in his demands for a seven-day service in NHS hospitals has been called into question by his own department.[/url]
Surely a TV crossover between [i]Yes, Prime Minister[/i] and [i]Holby City[/i] cannot be far behind.
gosh, it seems to echo what medics have being saying all along.
His department must have been misled by the BMA or something...
my mother's old MP was out and about in the constituency attending functions all weekend.
Oh FFS!
His department must have been misled by the BMA
Maybe his [i]own[/i] department are the vanguard of a hard-left plot to destabilize and take down the Government*... gosh - this [i]is[/i] confusing... ooh, look, a photo of a junior doctor on holiday!
[url=
t's all remember the [i]real[/i] threat... the reds under the HDU beds.[/url]
Be alert.
my mother's old MP was out and about in the constituency attending functions all weekend.Oh FFS!
Obviously you are underestimating the stressful nature of attending a WI tea AND a Scout's jumble sale in the same weekend!!
Obviously you are underestimating the stressful nature of attending a WI tea AND a Scout's jumble sale in the same weekend!!
The Horror, the horror
To be fair to MPs I think that while I over counted their hours for Saturday surgery to be on the safe side I forgot to add in the Friday surgery hours apparently Friday is viewed as a weekend day by many M.PS.
How times have changed, its almost as if politicians lie to the electorate to get into power.....
Many MPs are doing stuff in their constituencies at the weekend already.
I've a strong suspicion that our MP doesn't even know where his constituency is! Recently Connor McGinn stated that St. Helens was a major northern town. Clear evidence that he's never been there.
Cynicism aside, MPs have successively voted themselves several significant pay rises, they still have a [b][i][u]very[/u][/i][/b] generous and "flexible" expense arrangements, most do not do regular surgeries and recess from parliament (holidays) far exceeds any other profession.
Serving the people? Don't kid yourselves.
Serving the people? Don't kid yourselves.
Yes living in a Tory heartland I get to hear from landscape gardener friends just how they view the [s]voters[/s]great unwashed
I appreciate that I am in a small minority on here, but my experience is that most MPs put in a huge amount of hours, however it is one of the misfortunes of the role that as it is a relatively unstructured one so few understand what they do. To say their activities in constituencies are limited to holding surgeries is palpably nonsense. Essentially being a MP becomes a lifestyle where the line between when you are on "duty" and when you are not is blurred, you are constantly on parade, whilst this may not be particularly taxing - although being badgered would annoy me - it is not free time.
Different jobs have different stresses, MPs choose to do what they do so I have no tears for them, but attacking them for not putting in the hours is unfair and sadly the sort of shallow analysis typical of social media.
MPs have successively voted themselves several significant pay rises
The awards are made by an independent body now - as I say few people understand what the MP's job can entail.
My MP didn't even bother to campaign in last years general election and barely bothered to leave London as he knows that a dead horse with a blue rosette would win.
He is very busy with directorships though.
well said mefty
but my experience is that most MPs put in a huge amount of hours,
yep, mine does.
just not as an MP...
The awards are made by an independent body now.
Yes, of course they are. Totally independent.
but attacking them for not putting in the hours is unfair and sadly the sort of shallow analysis typical of social media
Thank you for your opinion, I'll try and think a little deeper in future. I would also counter your accusation of shallowness by suggesting that you; i) are an MP, ii) are a close friend of an MP, iii) are related to an MP, iv) have aspirations to be an MP. You certainly seem to have very high opinions of them. I'll concede that some probably do put in the hours and have had to work hard to get where they are. I would suggest that they are the minority.
To be fair, I do agree with mefty on this point, there are honest MPs, ministers and politicians that do work very hard.
I don't think it's the cushy number that some people think it is, for the good ones at least.
Even Jeremy Hunt barely has the time left in his day to see his children, manage his Hotcourses business, torture puppies or pull the wings off butterflies. 😉
He is very busy with directorships though.
Which companies?
I would also counter your accusation of shallowness by suggesting that you; i) are an MP, ii) are a close friend of an MP, iii) are related to an MP, iv) have aspirations to be an MP.
None of the above.
Two elections ago - Hunt was at my station at 06:18 campaigning early. TBH, I didn't know who he was and didn't really engage much as he represented the neighbouring constituency. Seemed very polite at the time 😉 The Lib Demmers were nice too.
Irrelevant anecdote I know, but I don't have twitter of FB 😀
On the day he imposed a morale-busting contract on junior doctors, the health secretary also announced... an urgent inquiry into the state of doctor's morale. Beyond satire?
A leap into the future- The eight key reasons for junior doctor’s low morale
1.One of the key drivers of low doctor morale is the way that the militants have stopped them from not being able to see how right Jeremy Hunt is all the time. To have their pay capped and to work dangerous long hours all seems so sensible until the 98% of militants come along and twist things with their socialist spells. Something urgently needs to be done about this.
2.Low morale is also directly related to being public servants. Junior doctors are desperate to work for private companies who deliver poorer fragmented care and where poor people have no access to comprehensive health coverage. It makes them so sad that payday loan companies aren't able make fortunes out of vulnerable people.
3. One of the big drivers of low doctor morale was the way that the academic communities insist upon people being careful about the conclusions drawn from uncertain research findings. More than one junior doctor has in the past had to be talked down from a ledge mumbling about “why can’t people just say what they like about uncertain research findings”.
4. When they while away the hours playing ‘throw the paper ball in the bin’ to relieve the tedium of underwork, some junior doctors have reported feeling really low about missing the bin. Longer hours for less pay would be an obvious solution for this.
5.More work for less money would also put pay to one of the most disturbing findings - the gang culture that has emerged among junior doctors in recent years, essentially out of boredom. This simply has to stop. In one hospital junior doctors were mugging patients with flick knives. When caught, one wailed “My morale is just so low due to boredom”.
6.On a related issue, junior doctors themselves feel very strongly about having too much money. Long before this recent crisis erupted demonstrations were found around the country outside hospitals. It was not uncommon to hear the chant "What do we want? To have our pay cut and hours extended? When do we want it? Whenever, we're free most days due to underwork."
7.Perhaps one of the key drivers of low junior doctor morale was not being given the chance to make a fatal prescription error due to overwhelming fatigue. Most junior doctors will tell you that falling asleep while resuscitating a motorcycle fatality was why they became a doctor in the first place. To have this taken away by bloody unions is a disgrace.
8. A survey of junior doctors carried out last year on the key challenges to their everyday working environment, found that top of the list was how frustrated our junior doctors were by the lack of vindictive and pathologically ambitious neoliberal poster boys to publicly and routinely denigrate them in the press.
Well well well, what's this? A private members bill snuck in to talk about removing ewtd protection from doctors.
Sure, it's all about improving doctors' lives with these guys...
Been away for a week & popped in to see what the Hunt and his mates had been up to in the meantime. You have to admit, that is treating people with top quality contempt 😆
Everybody's favourite -
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/2573911-Guest-debate-The-imposition-of-the-new-junior-doctor-contract
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With mumsnet
Cos mumsnet
Will *ing kill you
BMA should have unleashed them sooner 🙂
Great to see the pro-Hunt guy on that debate spinning exactly the same lies:
We have listened to junior doctors' concerns about pay and the increase we've offered in average basic pay has risen from 11% to 13.5%.
...
let's not forget that no other public sector workers will see this level of basic pay increase this year.
Yeah lets also not forget that at no point did the junior doctors [i]ask[/i] for a pay rise. Or forget that you've reduced banding components of their pay so that despite the "pay increase" they will be taking [i]less[/i] money home at the end of each month.
Even Jeremy Hunt claims the changes are "cost neutral".
Did Ben gunner come back? I gave up after page 8.
They have less trolls on MN than here though.
On the day of another strike by junior doctors, a potentially huge issue for the safeguarding of patients in the NHS has yet to be mentioned by the mainstream media.
Dr Chris Day, a junior doctor who was involved in a whistleblowing case after witnessing unsafe staffing levels in an intensive care unit, has had his appeal against the way junior doctor whistleblowers are treated turned down.
The crux of the issue is that junior doctors are not covered by whistleblowing laws to protect them and their career in the event of flagging up unsafe practices in the NHS. They are duty bound to report concerns but are not protected against harsh treatment when they do.
There is a gap in the law, through which junior doctors fall, as the courts have determined that Health Education England (our de facto employer) are a "training provider" and not an "employer" in the eyes of the law. NHS Trusts then sub-contract juniors doctors on temporary contracts from HEE, and temporary staff are also not bound by whistleblowing laws.
More info (a pre-judgement article) [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2016/02/how-government-leaving-whistleblowing-doctors-twist-wind ]here[/url]