i think I might have a leaking drainage pipe under the lawn but not sure, I've repaired the guttering I thought was leaking and it's still saturated.
so before I dig a big trench does divining work to identify pipes underground? Anyone tried it?
Total woo.
100% definitely works. Definitely.
Did a year of leakage detection for south staffs and the old hand guys all used them and they were more accurate and faster than the proper equipment and they used the proper stuff afterwards for audit purposes.
The old boy who I bought my house off worked for the water board part of this job was finding sources and leaks, he used divining rods. He left them in the shed when he moved and was quite upset about it as he made them himself, they were metal ones, so I callled around with them.
Not sure if this link will work:
I wouldn't of thought a leaking drainage pipe would cause a saturated lawn, as they rarely have the pressure to make much difference to how wet the surrounding ground is.
Depending on when the house was built, gutters used to just feed into a basic soak away, so could just be poor drainage in general. It could even just be poor drainage in general.
If it never used to be as wet, it's more likely to be a burst mains pipe. I know somebody who had a continually wet area in his lawn, and he just put it down to location. It was only when his neighbours lost water pressure, and the water company investigated, they traced it to leak under the lawn that had finally got bad enough to cause problems. Off course, they fixed that leak, then the pipe burst elsewhere, so in the end they had to replace the entire pipe.
They did it live on air on Jeremy Vine a couple of months ago and, amusingly, it did work!
Total woo. They did tests where people were asked to work out where water was and where it wasn't. No-one found it.
If it did work then we'd be all over it for finding all sorts of stuff, especially oil.
FWIW as a complete cynical sceptic I have tried it.
It does work, I've absolutely no idea how it works as I can't see any logical, scientific reason, but it does absolutely work.
Old guy showed me how to use a couple of bent welding rods. Cured my scepticism.
*chortles heartily at people saying it works*
its total rubbish ffs.
Another total sceptic who tried it begrudgingly, I have no idea what makes them move, it certainly wasn’t me.
edit to add, I still don’t believe them, just haven’t a clue what made the wires twitch and cross
It does work, so pffft to nealglover
I have no idea what makes them move, it certainly wasn’t me.
its almost certainly was.
But either way, it wasn’t underground water that made them move.
If you know where the leak is it works very well.
It does work, so pffft to nealglover
.... and science.
Nope it doesnt*.
* with the caveat it might seem to work by the user subconsciously picking up on cues where water is and moving the rods in response. For example subtle dips in the land or greener grass could all indicate water.
Same camp as homeopathy, plenty of anecdotes and very little evidence.
”Old bob swore by it” is not evidence.
First go I held them loosely, walked for a bit they turned. Second go, I held them pinched tight between fingers to try and resist any movement (I really wanted to prove that they wouldn’t move), I walked, they turned with some force.
The idiomotor effect is the explanation of why the wires move. Basically it’s you but you don’t know that it’s you.
In my experiemce it totally works for finding larger pipes, not sure for something small
In any event you have to believe though. Burnt out sparklers, welding rods or coat hangers are your friend.
Water, especially running water, is a very good conduit for energy.
Just because science hasn't been able to measure this energy, does not necessarily mean it doesn't exist. I mean, all of everything existed before human science said it did.
I hope nealglover, jumbo and the other dogmatics learn to be excited about the unknown, unseen and entirely possible within an infinite Universe of infinite possibilities.
Peace out
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I for one get very excited about the unknown but just because there are things that are unknown doesn’t mean you get to make shit up.
It’s been tested and it’s always failed the tests ergo it’s woo.
There's enough science to get excited about without making rubbish up.
very little evidence.
On the contrary, there's plenty of evidence that it does not work.
There was a minor twitter storm last year after many water companies admitted to using diving rods, despite the scientific evidence that it does not work:
https://medium.com/@sallylepage/in-2017-uk-water-companies-still-rely-on-magic-6eb62e036b02
I’ll add to the anecdotes - tried it and it ‘worked’ when tracing a FW pipe through a paddock. I’m prepared to accept it was my subconscious at work, but it was a bit of fun to save digger time.
Water, especially running water, is a very good conduit for energy.
Just because science hasn’t been able to measure this energy, does not necessarily mean it doesn’t exist. I mean, all of everything existed before human science said it did.
I hope nealglover, jumbo and the other dogmatics learn to be excited about the unknown, unseen and entirely possible within an infinite Universe of infinite possibilities.
Peace out
Wanna buy some bomb detectors?
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Water, especially running water, is a very good conduit for energy.
Just because science hasn’t been able to measure this energy, does not necessarily mean it doesn’t exist. I mean, all of everything existed before human science said it did.
If the force is great enough to move two metal rods it would be easy to measure.
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Jeez, dogma is dogma. Thankfully there are plenty of open minded scientific researchers.
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I don’t know how it works, but two separate blokes I worked with had different sets and were very accurate, results were checked afterwards with the device that we were surposed to use (can’t remember the name of it now) and it matched up every time.
They made their own too, one was an old metal coat hanger, not sure about the other one.
Wow, sizeable proportion of posters actually believe this works. Says a lot about the level of intelligence on here.
It works for me, but then I may be an old witch...
😆 @ angeldust. Depends upon what type of intelligence you're referring to; but yes, it does give an indication of something.
Thankfully there are plenty of open minded scientific researchers.
So do you have any who have carried out a properly controlled experiment which supports divining?
Divining has been researched and hasnt been supported.
A good example of a properly open minded scientific researcher is Susan Blackmore. She started off believing in psychic phenomenon due to personal experience. However after several years where her properly designed and controlled experiments failed to support her initial hypothesis she reconsidered her beliefs.
Indeed, yet there are people who say they have experienced the same and proved positive. Sample size I guess.
Amusingly, some of the earlier posts from people who are cynical/sceptical about water divining and yet when they tried it, found the approach to work with accuracy, they mentioned it must have been their subconscious operating, in a subconscious way that enabled them to interpret the rods.
Its like, almost, psychic phenomenon, maybe?
The British army tried using dowsers in WW II in the desert campaign. They found nothing. Just as well they also had a geologist on hand too.
Indeed, yet there are people who say they have experienced the same and proved positive.
They also say that expensive speaker cables really open up the soundstage.
Wessex Water seem to think that it works, as I've witnessed their staff wandering around paddocks with coat hangers.
They found the leak.
Wessex Water seem to think that it works, as I’ve witnessed their staff wandering around paddocks with coat hangers.
They found the leak.
A friend's baby stopped teething after they bought her an amber necklace.
Sample size I guess.
Nope. That that is your guess says a lot. The key factor would be a properly designed experiment.
For example, I am not the greatest naturalist in the world, but if you found someone truly shit I could quite easily convince them that I could dowse effectively since whilst I am not the best at spotting them I do know some of the more subtle signs for finding water.
lol, all that proves is that it doesn’t work in a controlled environment, which is ****ing obvious. There are many many other interacting factors at play. If you take all the microchips out of your phone, guess what, it won’t work! So I’ve scientifically proved that phones don’t work, right? You couldn’t make it up 😂Divining has been researched and hasnt been supported.
Wanna buy some magic beans?
I worked for Welsh Water way back when. Good plans and detectors were the way mains and sewers were found. As for small sources, the catchments and aquifers were my concern - a geologist. Reading the landscape, types of vegetation, lie of the land outcrops and aerial photographs were better than divining rods.
I was also a caver at the time with Aberystwyth caving club. On the 1985 Summer "expedition" to Clare we spent a day looking for a new cave system. A few of us were geologists so headed for the shale-limestone boundary. I found a sink and made the first descent of:
There are many many other interacting factors at play.
What are they? Why can't they be measured in an experiment?
