[Closed] Did anyone ever get a refund from idave ?

I remember seeing a whole big stuff on iDave, was this not a diet thing? Did it turn out to be a scam?

Some of us paid for training programmes which, to a greater or lesser degree, failed to materialize. Excuses were made, refunds were promised.

Does anyone have contact with him now?

Oooh.

I have no useful contribution to make?

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

Dunno, gonna get a post in quick

as teethgrinder says,

I have no useful contribution to make

I have no useful contribution to make?

...along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

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Mother ******!

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21311866 ]Rest in mother-******* Peace[/url]

Well I think it's a fair question. I'm not asking anyone to reply apart from those affected. I'd rather like my money back, that's all.

Rest in mother-******* Peace

Well, that was certainly serendipitous.

I lost flab on the iDave diet not money? Where did those who lost money go wrong?

(I have no useful contribution to make)

IDave gained trust by releasing a rehashed existing eating plan on a forum frequented by middle aged cyclists, who could lose a few inches around the waste. Seeing a result, some members decided a tailored plan would give better results. Money was paid, plans never materialised, promises were made, people were left without plans or refunds. Sounds a bit like a scam...

Didn't his computer blow up? Then later had some personal stuff to deal with?

Did they pay PayPal gift?

Looking at his twitter account he's still having phone troubles. Yeah, right.

He had that many problems, all he could do was tweet about the road cycling holiday he was enjoying, whilst customers awaited either programmes or refunds.

He did claim to be having a lot of problems, he clearly needed a holiday.

i lost flab+1 all for free.

Well, his [url= https://twitter.com/ffflow ]Twitter feed[/url] is still as active as ever, and as above, he's making out he has phone problems. I reckon that's BS cos if I was a globetrotting elite coach type of dude I'm sure as hell have a phone that worked.

Jamie - Member
...along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

Pah. pop out to fettle a hub (knackered pawl spring) and I get called a troll 😯

Pah. pop out to fettle a hub (knackered pawl spring) and I get called a troll

No, no. I was not calling you a troll. I was saying that I have no useful contribution to make, and calling anyone mildly provocative a troll, were becoming overused STW tropes.

did he recover his business properly after the destruction of a lot of IT systems, threats, harassment and criminal stuff that was carried out against him? From memory the poor bloke done over royally to the point where his life pretty much fell apart for a while. Doesn't excuse not repaying folks, but then again you all may be way down his list of priorities...just saying like.

For teethy and jamie

But did he know anything about excercise theory?

Seriuosly he said some things that didn't make sense to me. I assumed my knowledge was wrong

tropes

OIC. No offence taken and none implied.

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

So let the scammers prosper then?

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I have no useful contribution to make?

You're probably better off with a foam roller for that.

I paid him for training programmes twice, before the STW kerfuffle, I got them, and they were bloody brilliant. Not just the same traditional training re-hashed like many coaches seem to hand out.

He wasn't on a cycling holiday when he tweeted about cycling in the Alps, he was/still is working in Geneva periodically and just went out on a ride.

So yes he is a real coach, no he is not deliberately scamming, yes he probably really should have got his finger out and sorted refunds, despite all the personal issues.

did he recover his business properly

Don't think so, he has a job now I think.

he fought a good corner on the diet front.
dunno the whys and wherefores of his 'scammin' but a shame nonetheless.

everyone ****s up from time to time, its how you handle it that defines you.

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

So long as everybody on it is interested in the OP's complaint rather than suggesting he could make it cheaper elsewhere.

If I say I could fail to deliver a training plan for half the amount that iDave didn't deliver one then that's not allowed?

molgrips was he set up as a Ltd company when he didn't give everyone refunds? If not I imagine he wont want to ever bump into one of his remaining creditors.

Looks like he'll be at Hit the North in a couple of weeks if anyone wants to catch up with him.

My email address is obviously on a database of team helpers somewhere because I got an unsigned email last night from an address called "dsmithflow@....." and titled "Dave Smith; Fitness, Sports Coach, ffflow" which started:

[i]On behalf on two former employers, two former friends and several former clients of Dave Smith, we are sending this email as a warning and expose of Dave Smith. [/i]

Went on to describe police investigations and listed a couple of allegations (which I won't repeat here) but with no concrete evidence and worst of all, no indication of exactly who it was from. It was sent to a LOT of people though including the cycling media and people like me who've been involved with cycle teams on a more informal basis.

molgrips was he set up as a Ltd company

Not sure.

Crazy-legs.. that's a bit scary. Two ways to look at it depending on who you believe. Either he's scamming people, or he's being done over again by the people who did him over last time.

He did seem to be having a lovely time on that holiday that Raindog paid for.

He posted when he came back and tried to rehabilitate himself by describing some random act of kindness (Kitten in a tree or something) and was reamed royally by his creditors to the point he vanished again.

Maybe he's probably lurking and having a read to see if the heat has died down yet.

Guess not.

but with no concrete evidence and worst of all, no indication of exactly who it was from

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

Crazy-legs.. that's a bit scary. Two ways to look at it depending on who you believe. Either he's scamming people, or he's being done over again by the people who did him over last time.

molgrips - that's what worries me.
Several things:
- the email was sent openly to a lot of people - media, team managers, British Cycling. None of them BCC'd which is what you'd expect in a mass email.
- the email was unsigned. Doesn't explain who the "we" is in "we are sending this email..."
- the address: dsmithflow@[web-based email provider dot com]. Not what you'd expect if it was Dave's legitimate email that had been hacked, more a case of someone setting up an email specifically to discredit him?

That's why I didn't repeat any of the allegations contained within it (I just deleted it)

Edit for ScottChegg's post ^^

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

My one involvement with Dave was about 15 years ago when I phoned him to ask for advice on an injury (his number was in the back of a MTB magazine). That is the extent of my dealings with him. Not sure I've ever met the guy, I've certainly never given him any money. I therefore have no position to adopt on whether he has or hasn't ripped anyone off other than reading what people have posted on here.

I'm certainly not in the habit of posting email allegations from anonymous individuals on public forums. That's the kind of thing that could get me and ST in serious trouble. I'm contributing to this debate to highlight that this email is doing the rounds and making no comment whatsoever on whether I think we should
a) get the pitchforks or
b) argue that it's all been a misunderstanding

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

Agree. Hes at HTN? I could pop up there and ask him for your money Raindog.

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood.

I think he's mis-understood. Because I've spoken to him more than just on here, and more than just asking for training plans.

I did pay for and receive training information on three occasions. Therefore I conclude that his actions are consistent with someone having a breakdown on some level or other.

I'm certainly not in the habit of posting email allegations from anonymous individuals

Fair play to you; I wasn't suggesting you should.

The OP seems to have a legitimate beef with the geezer; as do others. I can't see a reason Raindog would be fibbing so you giving him the benefit of the doubt to such an extent seems overly generous.

I wondered if there was some backstory that I wasn't aware of that would justify iDave's actions and responses.