[Closed] Did anyone ever get a refund from idave ?

I remember seeing a whole big stuff on iDave, was this not a diet thing? Did it turn out to be a scam?

Some of us paid for training programmes which, to a greater or lesser degree, failed to materialize. Excuses were made, refunds were promised.

Does anyone have contact with him now?

Oooh.

I have no useful contribution to make?

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

Dunno, gonna get a post in quick

as teethgrinder says,

I have no useful contribution to make

I have no useful contribution to make?

...along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

*Post Reported*

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Mother ******!

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21311866 ]Rest in mother-******* Peace[/url]

Well I think it's a fair question. I'm not asking anyone to reply apart from those affected. I'd rather like my money back, that's all.

Rest in mother-******* Peace

Well, that was certainly serendipitous.

I lost flab on the iDave diet not money? Where did those who lost money go wrong?

(I have no useful contribution to make)

IDave gained trust by releasing a rehashed existing eating plan on a forum frequented by middle aged cyclists, who could lose a few inches around the waste. Seeing a result, some members decided a tailored plan would give better results. Money was paid, plans never materialised, promises were made, people were left without plans or refunds. Sounds a bit like a scam...

Didn't his computer blow up? Then later had some personal stuff to deal with?

Did they pay PayPal gift?

Looking at his twitter account he's still having phone troubles. Yeah, right.

He had that many problems, all he could do was tweet about the road cycling holiday he was enjoying, whilst customers awaited either programmes or refunds.

He did claim to be having a lot of problems, he clearly needed a holiday.

i lost flab+1 all for free.

Well, his [url= https://twitter.com/ffflow ]Twitter feed[/url] is still as active as ever, and as above, he's making out he has phone problems. I reckon that's BS cos if I was a globetrotting elite coach type of dude I'm sure as hell have a phone that worked.

Jamie - Member
...along with calling everything/one a troll, are getting overused.

Pah. pop out to fettle a hub (knackered pawl spring) and I get called a troll 😯

Pah. pop out to fettle a hub (knackered pawl spring) and I get called a troll

No, no. I was not calling you a troll. I was saying that I have no useful contribution to make, and calling anyone mildly provocative a troll, were becoming overused STW tropes.

did he recover his business properly after the destruction of a lot of IT systems, threats, harassment and criminal stuff that was carried out against him? From memory the poor bloke done over royally to the point where his life pretty much fell apart for a while. Doesn't excuse not repaying folks, but then again you all may be way down his list of priorities...just saying like.

For teethy and jamie

But did he know anything about excercise theory?

Seriuosly he said some things that didn't make sense to me. I assumed my knowledge was wrong

tropes

OIC. No offence taken and none implied.

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

So let the scammers prosper then?

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I have no useful contribution to make?

You're probably better off with a foam roller for that.

I paid him for training programmes twice, before the STW kerfuffle, I got them, and they were bloody brilliant. Not just the same traditional training re-hashed like many coaches seem to hand out.

He wasn't on a cycling holiday when he tweeted about cycling in the Alps, he was/still is working in Geneva periodically and just went out on a ride.

So yes he is a real coach, no he is not deliberately scamming, yes he probably really should have got his finger out and sorted refunds, despite all the personal issues.

did he recover his business properly

Don't think so, he has a job now I think.

he fought a good corner on the diet front.
dunno the whys and wherefores of his 'scammin' but a shame nonetheless.

everyone ****s up from time to time, its how you handle it that defines you.

Is this sort of thread allowed these days?

So long as everybody on it is interested in the OP's complaint rather than suggesting he could make it cheaper elsewhere.

If I say I could fail to deliver a training plan for half the amount that iDave didn't deliver one then that's not allowed?

molgrips was he set up as a Ltd company when he didn't give everyone refunds? If not I imagine he wont want to ever bump into one of his remaining creditors.

Looks like he'll be at Hit the North in a couple of weeks if anyone wants to catch up with him.

My email address is obviously on a database of team helpers somewhere because I got an unsigned email last night from an address called "dsmithflow@....." and titled "Dave Smith; Fitness, Sports Coach, ffflow" which started:

[i]On behalf on two former employers, two former friends and several former clients of Dave Smith, we are sending this email as a warning and expose of Dave Smith. [/i]

Went on to describe police investigations and listed a couple of allegations (which I won't repeat here) but with no concrete evidence and worst of all, no indication of exactly who it was from. It was sent to a LOT of people though including the cycling media and people like me who've been involved with cycle teams on a more informal basis.

molgrips was he set up as a Ltd company

Not sure.

Crazy-legs.. that's a bit scary. Two ways to look at it depending on who you believe. Either he's scamming people, or he's being done over again by the people who did him over last time.

He did seem to be having a lovely time on that holiday that Raindog paid for.

He posted when he came back and tried to rehabilitate himself by describing some random act of kindness (Kitten in a tree or something) and was reamed royally by his creditors to the point he vanished again.

Maybe he's probably lurking and having a read to see if the heat has died down yet.

Guess not.

but with no concrete evidence and worst of all, no indication of exactly who it was from

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

Crazy-legs.. that's a bit scary. Two ways to look at it depending on who you believe. Either he's scamming people, or he's being done over again by the people who did him over last time.

molgrips - that's what worries me.
Several things:
- the email was sent openly to a lot of people - media, team managers, British Cycling. None of them BCC'd which is what you'd expect in a mass email.
- the email was unsigned. Doesn't explain who the "we" is in "we are sending this email..."
- the address: dsmithflow@[web-based email provider dot com]. Not what you'd expect if it was Dave's legitimate email that had been hacked, more a case of someone setting up an email specifically to discredit him?

That's why I didn't repeat any of the allegations contained within it (I just deleted it)

Edit for ScottChegg's post ^^

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

My one involvement with Dave was about 15 years ago when I phoned him to ask for advice on an injury (his number was in the back of a MTB magazine). That is the extent of my dealings with him. Not sure I've ever met the guy, I've certainly never given him any money. I therefore have no position to adopt on whether he has or hasn't ripped anyone off other than reading what people have posted on here.

I'm certainly not in the habit of posting email allegations from anonymous individuals on public forums. That's the kind of thing that could get me and ST in serious trouble. I'm contributing to this debate to highlight that this email is doing the rounds and making no comment whatsoever on whether I think we should
a) get the pitchforks or
b) argue that it's all been a misunderstanding

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood. Why is that?

Agree. Hes at HTN? I could pop up there and ask him for your money Raindog.

You seem to be acting from a position of believing that he is somehow misunderstood.

I think he's mis-understood. Because I've spoken to him more than just on here, and more than just asking for training plans.

I did pay for and receive training information on three occasions. Therefore I conclude that his actions are consistent with someone having a breakdown on some level or other.

I'm certainly not in the habit of posting email allegations from anonymous individuals

Fair play to you; I wasn't suggesting you should.

The OP seems to have a legitimate beef with the geezer; as do others. I can't see a reason Raindog would be fibbing so you giving him the benefit of the doubt to such an extent seems overly generous.

I wondered if there was some backstory that I wasn't aware of that would justify iDave's actions and responses.

If hes now up and working again molgrips why can't he either give the person(s) their plans or money back?

You are defending someone. Now - someone sells me something, I receive it but subsequently takes money off others and doesn't. Would I defend him? No, unless I was related to the seller. I don't understand why you are standing as a beacon of light for that person. Could you declare you're interest or just say it once then shut up? (in a nice way).

why can't he either give the person(s) their plans or money back?

I dunno.

You are defending someone.

Well, be careful here. I'm not defending what he did, I'm just saying I don't think he's a scammer. He might be of course, I'm just giving my opinion of the man based on my dealings with him. I can't excuse what he did, but I can possibly give some reasons why which would alter the severity of his actions.

Sticking your head in the sand and trying to ignore the bad stuff you've done is bad, but not as bad as deliberately trying to con people.

No, unless I was related to the seller.

Blimey.. I wouldn't defend the bad actions of anyone in my family or outside of it.

Could you declare you're interest

My interest is in truth and honesty.

Could you declare you're interest

I'm interest

So molgrips how do you propose the OP gets his money back? Accept its gone as the person who has the money 'isn't a bad egg as he delivered something to you as promised'? Thats how fraud sometimes starts, with good intentions then things go squiffy and people are left owed.

I did pay for and receive training information on three occasions

Get a good rep before the big sting, eh?

*Devil's Advocate mode*

So molgrips how do you propose the OP gets his money back?

I don't bloody know, it's none of my business.

I didn't say he wasn't a bad egg, I said that I do not believe he is a scammer.

That's all.

Well he turned into one. So you can't keep defending him on such subjects when someone says 'wheres my money'.

His diet was off a company called RT Sport I think, they had no knowledge of him (well somthing called the idave diet) when I spoke with one of their guys on Twitter about it.

Not casting dispersion but he may not be all he said he was!

He's still selling fitness programmes (Flow Functional fitness), doing talks for Vekta Velosport and I recently saw him on Sky calling a Kettle black. More on the Net... .

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Honestly, I don't mind politely embarrasing the fella if you tell how much it is, your name etc and I can get his entry plate number. I won't make a scene to *distress/upset the organisers but I will make it uncomfortable.

*No physical threats or shouting. That won't be needed.

His diet was off a company called RT Sport I think

It was RST sport, and I used to email him at an address there. It's unlikely they'd have called him iDave...

hora, my neighbour owes me £2.50 will you come and 'embarrass' him too?

If he has the time to post that much shite on Twitter then he has time to sort through refunds, looks like a con artist who's washed his hands of things now he's taken people's money rather than a legitimate coach who had an IT nightmare like he was claiming.

they had no knowledge of him (well somthing called the idave diet)

The iDave Diet wasn't called the iDave diet outside of STW, that's just the nickname it picked up on here. The actual title was something altogether more florid.

If you have a problem...
If no-one else can help...
And if you can find him...
Maybe you can hire...
The Hora.

I think he's mis-understood

He's misunderstood all right, misunderstood that if you take someone's money for goods or services, you either need to supply them or refund in good time.

"Oi iDave, where's me training plan!"

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That was it RST Sport. When I spoke with them they were very unsure of who was handing around the diet!!

Only my very brief experence with any of it...

Honestly, I don't mind politely embarrasing the fella if you tell how much it is, your name etc and I can get his entry plate number. I won't make a scene to *distress/upset the organisers but I will make it uncomfortable.

*No physical threats or shouting. That won't be needed.

Bear in mind that this is Hora - he who was still defending Lance more or less up to the point of his TV confession.

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Can't make any comment about recent events, but as background, Dave Smith has been an estabished coach for many years. He used to have a regular column in Cycling Weekly, and I think he worked with some fairly high profile athletes. A friend of mine used him, probably about 15 years ago, and seemed to be pleased with the coaching advice he got.

Lance more or less up to the point of his TV confession.

Lance is a transvestite??

The whole iDave thing leaves me confused. It's a bit Jekyl and Hyde and I can't decide if I'm dealing with one person or two, one who has a convincing sports coaching CV and the other who posted on here as IDave who prefered to attack the poster rather than provide reasoned argument when challenged.

Jekyl is the [url= http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/dave-smith/62/553/a04 ]British national coach from the Boardman era who was on TV recently.[/url]

Hyde is the STW character that insulted my intelligence and ripped people off.

I'm still not sure they are one and the same person.

The email that crazy-legs received sounds like it might have been from the stalker.

As for depending on hora to do anything for you...he'll text you that morning to say something's come up and go and do something else. He's about as dependable as iDave has been at getting people refunds (allegedly).

I have no useful contribution to make?

Hyde is the STW character that insulted my intelligence and ripped people off.

I can't defend ripping people off. But I can only agree with his insulting of your intelligence 🙂

i am inclined to agree with molgrips that he did not deliberatedly set out to scam people

However I am certain in my opinion that once this did happen he did not do all within his power to remedy this situation despite saying he would sort it.
I can accept he had no money but the plans surely only took some time to do and he did not and has still not done this

Whether it was his aim to scam I am not sure however the result was some folk were scammed and he has not sorted it out and looks most unlikely to do so.

Unless Hora pricks his conscience *

*Not literally with his beautiful weapon obviously

after the LA disappointment I can't see Hora trusting anyone again.

A lot of fraudsters don't actually start out thinking: "I'm going to defraud a load of people."

Many of them just have grandiose plans which they are unable to follow through on, and things spiral out of control.

In my experience of covering a few similar court cases, it's not uncommon for the defrauded parties to be fobbed off with increasingly unlikely excuses about family illness, computer and phone problems, even mysterious stalkers.

Just saying.

A lot of fraudsters don't actually start out thinking: "I'm going to defraud a load of people."

I don't consider it fraud unless you set out to defraud in the first place. At the point where you realise you can fob people off, thne it becomes fraud.

However, speaking as someone who has problems sorting his own shit out, I can relate to iDave. Not sure I'd have left it this late though tbh, when individuals are involved. It's usually banks or HMRC that are asking me for money.

Seems pretty inadmissible to me - he has money, people do not have services paid for = Scam. No grey areas for me. The fact he's delivered in the past means nothing.

If you buy 10 cars, then steal one, you're still a car thief. Just sayin...

This has been going on for [i]months[/i].
Someone MTFU and sort out some legal proceedings.

i once cooked him a roast dinner and he ate the potatos. i can vouch that he's poor, he turned up on a bike with no suspension.

irish accent though so most likely a scammer, its the only sure way to tell.