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Played the ace card too early and looking to back track?
I haven't said anything about race. Maybe it says something that you imagine I have?
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Top tip - don't use long words if you don't know what they mean.
Top tip - don't use long words if you don't know what they mean.
Bollocks, meant to say pronouncements, but am too busy being appalled by the prospect of Ed Balls whoring for publicity on Strictly Come Dancing to pay proper attention.
As it happens I pride myself on having a pretty decent vocabulary. I've certainly got plenty of words I could use to describe you. Mostly not long, though.
Your as bad she is, your arguments are riduculous and contradict what you've already said. You have inferred anyone who criticise's her is a racist and are now back tracking despite it being written above for all to see.
Thats exactly the sort of thing she does and people are calling out for, actually I think you are Dianne Abbot please leave and give Labour half a chance of getting elected.
Good idea to stick to short words. Maybe there's a chance you'll spell them correctly.
You have inferred anyone who criticise's her is a racist and are now back tracking despite it being written above for all to see.
I have done no such thing. As you correctly say, my words are there for all to see. How you have chosen to interpret them is your problem.
Good idea to stick to short words. Maybe there's a chance you'll spell them correctly.
Ok then. ****.
Pretty sure I spelt that right.
We'll never know, will we? 🙂
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Good idea to stick to short words. Maybe there's a chance you'll spell them correctly.
Ok then. ****.Pretty sure I spelt that right.
Jeremy Hunt?
We'll never know, will we?
I do.
i do
Have you turned over from Strictly to Abba's Greatest Hits? It's been quite an evening chez dannyh!!
Wow only page 2 and this has already turned into a bunfight. And I quite liked the idea of a 'does racism still exist in the UK?' thread. Oh well. 🙄
Blimey! I hope she never goes on Strictly! Peoples heads might explode! 😀
To be fair to Diane, who is indeed a bloody annoying hypocrite (private education comrade?) everything is relative. before you accuse her of tokenism in the Labour Party regarding exploitation of 'non-white' status.... two words worth thinking about....
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She's an amateur! 😀
Peoples heads might explode!
Only people with very very tiny heads, so it won't really matter.
Four days a week I am paid up member of middle class professional society working in a progressive environmental organisation.
One day a week I work in a shop that sells entirely British made products, some of them made by my company.
It is like a beacon to Brexiters (the fact that I have created this living hell for myself is never lost on me). I have had:
'I don't like the way everything has changed, you know people bringing their cultures here'
Me 'thanks for that, you do realise that I'm half German and that makes me feel very unhappy'
'All the race discrimination stuff, we're going to be free'
Me, 'how is that to do with Europe?'
Her, 'they just want to make everyone the same'
Me, 'but, I don't think that the race discrimination legislation has much to do with Europe, it predates our membership by several years'
And more... there were a lot of complex reasons for voting for Brexit and they weren't all to do with Europe. In fact, not many seem to be. I keep listening for good, well reasoned arguments but the more people I talk to the more it seems to come down to vague dislike and distrust of otherness and an inchoate sense of loss of past glories. It feeds an 'us against them' mentality. Pick the 'us' and pick the 'them'. Whatever you choose it's destructive rather than the reverse.
In one way we've become more inclusive as a society. You can be white and assaulted by racists nowadays. You just need to speak a different language.
That's progress, isn't it? It's definitely not fascism or anything like that. Cheers!
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Disappointing that she is, too often, the default choice for Labour mouthpiece in the media.
No positivity, no 'vital spark', no inspiration, no 'message'.
Lots of bias, prejudice and insistence that she is 'one of us'.
Wrong.
Having screwed - or been screwed by Corbyn - would be a major disadvantage in isolation but then she opens her mouth and......Diane, keep on digging.
I'm a former labour supporter and activist but.....no longer. The party of my past - and my parents and their parents - has disappeared. Regrettably Corbyn and his acolytes are pursuing a very different agenda to that which made Labour a force to be reckoned with.
Only a personal view chaps so no trolling please.
Regrettably Corbyn and his acolytes are pursuing a very different agenda to that which made Labour a force to be reckoned with.
Can you expand a bit please ?
In reply to 'Clover'; my mother was Irish but lived in UK for 50 years; I was born on Tyneside and still have a (soft - in sound terms) Geordie accent.
The number of times my mother was asked if she was a foreigner and the number of times people have said to me '....I don't understand what you're saying' are staggeringly high.
The level of ignorance and condescension in UK residents is amazing.
I have travelled widely both personally and on business; I always make a point of concentrating on what the other person is saying - irrespective of which language they're using - but in the UK that's too much like hard work for the person on the other end of the discussion.
I hope that the %-age of Brexit voters whose decision was based on immigration concerns was small; if not, then we're in a bad place and I fear for the future.
Labour policies as articulated by Corbyn are uncosted and disconnected; my major concern is about policies being uncosted.
I understand that opposition parties are always disadvantaged because they can't see true costs/revenues and hypothecation (good in theory but impractical) will never work.
All political parties have 'die hard' supporters who vote on a tribal basis; for that part of their supporter base the policies, manifesto, commitments are irrelevant.
Outside of that 'tribal' base each party must earn the support of voters so - to answer jambalaya's question (and btw, jambalaya in new orleans is just fantastic) - Corbyn has not submitted detailed plans for infrastructure generally (transport and trains particularly), NHS, energy and education to name only a few.
I'm referring to detailed, costed, coherent, deliverable plans which are made available for public scrutiny.
If only he or his acolytes would - or if friend Seumas would allow them to.
The truth is that Corbyn will succeed as leader of minority party but that's as good as it gets.
From 'gritty' Leeds to Jambalaya in Hampstead..................
frankconway -
I hope that the %-age of Brexit voters whose decision was based on immigration concerns was small; if not, then we're in a bad place and I fear for the future.
33% of Leave voters so about 5.7 million people gave immigration as their primary reason for voting Brexit - various sources but summarised in the Telegraph:
[i]"Lord Ashcroft's mega-poll of 12,369 voters after the referendum suggested as such, finding that one third of Leave voters chose to back Brexit as they saw it "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders." This was the second biggest motivation for Leave voters, just behind “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”."[/i]
@frank thanks - I would agree with that fwiw
jambalaya in new orleans is just fantastic
I agree entirely that's where my username comes from, made 3 trips there to watch NFL
@clover [b]uncontrolled[/b] immigration was an issue certainly, when I said it would be a major election issue 3 years ago I got all sorts of abuse on here for it. One thing the political elite in the centre and left failed to do was grasp how out of touch they where with their voters on this issue
Yes of course we have racsim in this country but it's not racist in itself to want to control immigration. The EU is the only grouping of nations with uncontrolled freedom of movement, that doesn't make the rest of the world racist.
She is crackers, though.
EU is the only grouping of nations with uncontrolled freedom of movement, that doesn't make the rest of the world racist
That's if you see the EU as a group of countries, rather than a single union of combined endeavour. For me,this immigration is really just internal movement.
uncontrolled immigration was an issue certainly, when I said it would be a major election issue 3 years ago I got all sorts of abuse on here for it
I would like to see where you were abused for claiming immigration would be an election issue, which would be very different to you being challenged for your usual pot stirring anti immigration views.
I would bet that immigration was a major factor in most brexit votes and actually a concern for many people who voted remain and hoped we could resolve the problem within the EU.
Failure of all the leftish parties to accept the scale and validity of public sentiment on this issue is why they are now all but gone.
I can't believe this needs covering again on here, its been done more times than what sportive bike for 1k.
Worth remembering that Diane was one of those who kicked off a big fuss when Labour did actually begin to listen to concerns about immigration
Apparently some of Diane's "best friends" are Finnish
One thing the political elite in the centre and left failed to do was grasp how out of touch they where with their voters on this issue
Indeed, they stupidly stood behind facts rather than xenophobic and racist BS. They misjudged the population badly.
Condesending six former responses are fuel to the fire, another DA speciality.
the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK
The myhtical "take back control" business. Shame we won't be in the driving seat when it comes to all those trade deals we are supposed to be making.
And at least our borders will be in our country so that folks can be in immigration camps on British soil to be processes and there will be no need for close security to stop folks travelling dangerously under lorries etc.
Immigration is ace. Makes this country more interesting. I'm sad to see it being more inward looking.
My dad was a refugee. He gifted this country lovely me, my lovely sister (both of us excellent contributors to the economy) and her lovely little girl. Also temporarily my brother, but said brother now lives in France with his French wife and trilingual children where he's busy putting tax euros into the French economy.
My dad then went back to Germany where he set up the only electro plating service in the world which can deposit magnetic cobalt. He took my English mum with him who is busy teaching Germans English and contributing to the German economy.
Did I say immigration was ace? Just in case you didn't hear me the first time it is. It's not a one way street - and it's made us all better people.
can we merge three threads?
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Depends. Do you really want STW to fold in on itself?
can we merge three threads?
We could make it four if we included the effect of Brexit on Romanians coming over here and undercutting British rent boy wages.
All part of the neoliberal race to the bottom...
I genuinely don't know if ninfan is joking or not.
race to the bottom...
TMI 😉
Did I say immigration was ace? Just in case you didn't hear me the first time it is. It's not a one way street - and it's made us all better people.
FFS - Brexit was not proposing to stop immigration, just stop uncontrolled immigration.
We have control over immigration from non-EU countries, does that mean there is no immigration from those countries - no.
It does however mean that the current immigration policy discriminates against non-EU countries, afterwards it will be fairer.
Plus, if needed we could control that immigration better, perhaps lowering economic immigration and accepting more actual refugees.
I've seen interviews with actual immigrants, or a few generations removed, hacked off that they had to pass restrictions whereas we let any tom, dick or harry in from the EU.
FFS - Brexit was not proposing to stop immigration, just stop uncontrolled immigration.
Do you suppose that all the Leavers appreciated that distinction, and that it was carefully spelled out by the campaign? The same campaign that made people believe that half of Turkey had packed their bags and boarded the night train from Istanbul. And that Syrian refugees were marchng en masses towards Essex.
It does however mean that the current immigration policy discriminates against non-EU countries, afterwards it will be fairer.
Really?
Even if that was the case, odd choice to control immigration against those who make the greatest contribution to the Uk economy. But par for the course with Brexit BS.
DrJ - dont descent to the Brexi level with you false facts. It was all 70m plus Turks. Keep up. 😉
Anway apart from Finns, what does Dianne think?
Do you suppose that all the Leavers appreciated that distinction
It's pretty clear the many of the remainers don't either - it seems to me that the depth of understanding about what they were voting on in either side is about the same.
Even if that was the case, odd choice to control immigration against those who make the greatest contribution to the Uk economy.
is that only because they outnumber immigration from the other countries ?
The breeder I got my last cat from works in the NHS and reckoned that standards had dropped with the bias to the EU countries - and who am I to argue.
It;s pretty clear the many of the remainers don't either - it seems to me that the depth of understanding about what they were voting on in either side is about the same
Except that one side made it the central issue of their campaign and one side didn't.
No its because not only do immigrants from the EU make a positive contribution to the Uk economy but they also make a greater contribution that non-EU immigrants.
Your breeder friend is not alone at blaming EU immigrants for the sins of the world.
Anyway might try and catch AQ on iplayer now.
And that Syrian refugees were marchng en masses towards Essex.
don't think many people thought they were all refugees, which is the problem, especialy as a lot were probably just economic migrants.
Anyway, in the case where they are a lot of refugees from Syria, we should be able to put a brake on economic immigration from elsewhere in favour of syrian refugees.