[Closed] Creeping forward at traffic lights

Chill, don't have a heart attack over someone else

Relax
Don't be a c**t

Excellent advise. Thought of taking it ?

Chill, don't have a heart attack over someone else

I have just had battered butter so anything is possible

Excellent advise. Thought of taking it ?

Relax
Don't be a c**t
Excellent advise. Thought of taking it ?

so you endorse creeping forward at traffic lights in your [strike]AUDI ?[/strike] horse and carriage

oh what it is to live in a place that has traffic lights. and cars...!

[i]so you endorse creeping forward at traffic lights in your AUDI ? horse and carriage[/i]

Apart From you I don't think anyone gives a shit.

so you endorse creeping forward at traffic lights in your AUDI ? horse and carriage

I endorse your advise, I thought that was obvious - no ?

Advise??

I endorse your advise, I thought that was obvious - no ?

confused now

confused now

Because I spelt it advise, or 'cause you're pissed ?

it doesnt bother me, but i cant understand the logic behind it.
when lights are red i stop at the line and wait for them to change.
but i have noticed a small minority of peeps who almost stop a car length back and then proceed to creep forward until the lights change again.
effectively, they never actually come to a complete stop.
i havent paid enough attention to this phenomenon to be able to identify a type of person by car brand, gender etc though.

If you're on a bike then the people doing it are intimidating and dangerous.

That and people who try to do that on a gradient and just end up edging backwards and forwards. I don't know why, but I just want to rag them out of their cars and stamp on their heads.

My handbrake failed earlier and I had to go back and forth a number of times to stop me causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to the Audi behind me. I tried to control it as well as possible but it was hard with a guy in the rear view mirror looking like he could have.. jumped on my head or something. Angry sod so he was.

My handbrake failed earlier and I had to go back and forth a number of times to stop me causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to the Audi behind me.

Was clutch control not taught when you passed your test?

Spend some time in Italy - people don't give a stuff about other people's driving. Ignore it, so what!

It was. I had the option of clutch control or a 3 minute humour lesson so I decided to take that instead. If they offered the the 40 minute humour lesson at the end.. then I would have came up with a better reply to Muckytee's post ;O)

Back to the OP, round here it seems to have become a lot more prevalent in the last year. No idea why, and it seems such a ridiculous thing to do too.

firstly, apologies for the tone of my original post.

Its the psychology of it all that irritates me. If someone is so rushed, tense and wound up that they cannot bear to apply the brake (and then often anticipate the lights changing and move off early) then how do they go about their normal driving duties?

What about people who stand up in planes as soon as the seatbelt sign is off?

eh?

I'm with you Dancake.

I'm also irritated by the folk that sit at the lights with their foot on the brake, then roll backwards when they try to pull away. Use the handbrake you muppet.

What about people who stand up in planes as soon as the seatbelt sign is off?
eh?

Yeah them too. Or worse the ones that stand up as soon as the wheels touch the Tarmac then have to be told by the stewardess to sit the f down.

The plane is still doing 70mph plus, you doughnut. Where is it you think you are going to in such a hurry?

I think pilots should be obliged to slam on the brakes to show these people the error of their ways!

What about people who stand up in planes as soon as the seatbelt sign is off?

I'd like to be the pilot so I could put the seatbelt sign off just before stopping then slam the brakes on so they go tumbling down the aisle 🙂

What about people who stand up in planes as soon as the seatbelt sign is off?

eh?

they are not flying the plane.

probably in exactly the same way ie with absolutely minimal attention.
dont sweat it, just keep yourself safe bro.

Also, people who park their car in the green cycle box.
Nice bike mate, first time I've seen one with four wheels and an engine, OR ARE YOU JUST A CRAP DRIVER!??

My handbrake failed earlier and I had to go back and forth a number of times to stop me causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to the Audi behind me. I tried to control it as well as possible but it was hard with a guy in the rear view mirror looking like he could have.. jumped on my head or something. Angry sod so he was.

I think Bradford must have a serious problem, so many people people with broken handbrakes - I think a government scheme is required 😛

I can understand crap driving, when you cba to do something but this, this requires more effort, people put effort into being crap, be lazy stick the handbrake on and **** the world.

I think it's just a fear of the handbrake, the whole of Russia has this fear, nobody uses a handbrake there.

A lot of the minicabs near us like to creep forward at red lights, into the advance stop box, over that then eventually stop across the pedestrian crossing. The light turns to green and they sit for a couple of seconds then trundle off at walking pace. Really weird

A lot of the minicabs near us like to creep forward at red lights, into the advance stop box, over that then eventually stop across the pedestrian crossing.

Then they've broken the law. Twice.
Committing very same offence that they moan about cyclists committing.

chamley - Member

A lot of the minicabs near us like to creep forward at red lights, into the advance stop box, over that then eventually stop across the pedestrian crossing. The light turns to green and they sit for a couple of seconds then trundle off at walking pace. Really weird

I think it must be taught at minicab school 😉 they all do the creeping forward thing like they are going to do an F1 style get away and then dawdle off at glacial pace 2 or 3 seconds after the lights change

Put car in neutral Apply handbrake

shouldnt that be hand brake neutral

A lot of the minicabs near us like to creep forward at red lights, into the advance stop box, over that then eventually stop across the pedestrian crossing. The light turns to green and they sit for a couple of seconds then trundle off at walking pace. Really weird

See that a lot here, not taxis as much as normal cars though. The creeping suggests they have to be on the move again as soon as humanly possible, but there's always a big pause before they set off when the lights actually change, which suggests they're in no hurry at all. Odd.

Put car in neutral Apply handbrake

I don't ever bother putting the car in neutral at the lights.
I just keep the clutch in.

That was acceptable practise when I did my lessons/test a few years ago (but not when I originally did my first lessons a couple of decade ago). Not entirely sure what changed.

that's as lazy as not using the handbrake 😀

that's as lazy as not using the handbrake

Probably. But a lot less likely to cause anyone else bother.

IIRC my instructor told me to use the handbrake/neutral if at the lights for more than a few seconds- idea was if someone nudges you your foot might slip off and then you lurch forward into the car in front.

I daresay all instructors have their own pet bits of dogma and wisdom, but that's what I do, partly because I also have an idea that it's not very good for the clutch to hold it in for ages. I don't know the first thing about cars though so that might be rubbish.

Putting the car in neutral whilst stopped will save wear on the clutch release bearing.

Some drivers try not to stop at traffic lights at all (as in, roll up slowly, but try to never actually stop). The idea is that it would give them more time and space should they need to react to something unexpected.

The idea is that it would give them more time and space should they need to react to something unexpected.

Yeah, for the same reason I was taught it's better to approach the lights going down through the gears, rather than coasting in with the clutch in and changing when you've stopped.

I was taught it's better to approach the lights going down through the gears

Likewise when I was taught/tested recently (about five years ago) they didn't insist on you stepping down through all the gears any more.
But I think coasting was a fail-able offence.

Handbrakes are for parking only. You shouldn't need to use them for taking off even up moderate inclines.

You shouldn't need to use them for taking off even up moderate inclines.

Probably not, but judging by the number of people I see rolling backwards when hill-starting, they need all the help they can get!

Also personally I find it irritating to have the guy in front's brake light shining away in my face while we're stopped at the lights.

Handbrakes are for parking only.

Nah, parking brakes are for parking only.

Handbrakes are for holding position, skids, and parking 🙂

Handbrakes are for parking only. You shouldn't need to use them for taking off even up moderate inclines.

🙄

stop using footbrake, move into neutral release clutch pedal, apply handbrake release footbrake..

wait for lights to change,

feed handbrake out whilst taking up drive / releasing clutch thus preventing roll back into cars behind..
Tis only a mechanical lever with some bowden cable and a couple of cams pushing the caliper pistons onto the pads & clamping discs..
and electronic systems normally have a drive away release function..

I always put the car in neutral and handbrake on at lights. Leaves me free to check my hair in the mirror, send a few texts, change the CD and finish my coffee. OK, I miss the odd change, but life is short...

A lot of the minicabs near us like to creep forward at red lights, into the advance stop box, over that then eventually stop across the pedestrian crossing. The light turns to green and they sit for a couple of seconds then trundle off at walking pace. Really weird

Waves at Martymac, if I know the timing of the lights and it's quiet I'll sloooowly rollup to the lights hopeully not stopping, (staying behind the stop line while on red) easier to pull away innit, specially with a weedy little engine like ours.

This reminds me of one of my first lessons with my old man in his Fiesta.It was an old Y reg with a poor handbrake. I was getting on not too bad one evening until we came to a rail road crossing. The barriers dropped down and I slowed down to a stop and pulled the handbrake on... well,not on.. right up til it was near vertical as the cable pulley near the rear axle popped off! You should have seen the clutch control that eve. Infact you should have heard that clutch control. The thing is you wouldnt have as my old man was screaming something along the lines of 'aw fer f-sakes you snapped the f-in handbrake...awww,what a man ya are!' just as I'm trying to stop the car from rolling into the guy behind me (for the first time ever) as well as not put it through the barrier into a train.

Sweaty palm moment.

I avoid creeping as my Audi has auto hold. I also have an Orange tho so I must be doomed and most definitely categorised as a c**t!

As a frequent flying, Orange 5 owning, non Audi driving (insert stereotype of your choice here)what really winds me up is the people that stand up the moment that the plane touches down, forget waiting for the seat belt sign. We're still doing 150mph and they think it's fine to open the over head locker!
However, I do enjoy flying with Italians as they break out into applause as soon as you touch down. They almost seem disappointed when the pilot doesn't come out immediately to be showered in flowers whilst bowing. Maybe its because he actually has to park the thing first?

Hmm, my car automaticly applies a parking break when I come to a complete stop, and then even turns the engine off. Also works as a 'roll back' break on hills. This means I'm adopting different ways of driving in traffic to when I was taught and even to the drivers on here. I must be a bad man.
PS - not an Audi, although I am trading in two Audis for one newer one, so that makes me only half the cock I was right?

Stop at lights put in neutral and apply footbrake.
Light changes, clutch in, put in first and take off.
If you're on an incline you may need to do it a bit quicker to avoid rollback.
I'm not sure whats so hard about it.
I don't know why people creep or ride the clutch at lights - I always assumed it was boredom rather than aggression.

effectively, they never actually come to a complete stop

Thats me I slow down a long way from the lights try to slowly roll it so when I get to the stop line, the lights have changed.

I dunno why I do it just something to do I suppose.

more likely to do it in a good mood than bad, just a little game I play I suppose.

driving is not a pastime. its a necessary evil, and doesn't have a place on a cycling forum, especially on a sunday. please stop talking about it.(typed from bed)

I sat next to a bloke once who'd been on a flight where the pilot hit some part of the airport buildings web he was taxiing. 3 people standing up early had to be stretchered away with broken bones, concussion etc. I am firmly in the arse on seat until the light goes off camp.

RJ2DJ - agree with you. I was taught on several defensive driving courses that slowing to a walking pace well before a red light or junction was less likely to result in being rear-end shunted and prepared you better for any eventualities. I was also told to keep the brake pedal depressed in those situations to keep the brake lights illuminated to more effectively warn drivers approaching from the rear that you are stopped. However, creeping forward after stopping is different!

Motorists who creep at lights should have there keys taken off them, whats the point ?

In terms of passing a Driving Test, unfortunatley, the test is not all always about whats best practice, more over what is safe.

For example, on a gradiant at lights, if a driver held the car on the clutch at bite, a fault would not be recorded provided that the driver moved away cleanly without rolling back.

A rollback would be marked under move off control and depending on the amount it rolled, a minor fault or serious would be recorded.

Obviously this is not good for the clutch, sitting at bite for 2 mins or so but all the examiner can mark is what happened not what could even though they know themselves its not best practice.

What about people who get in their car drive off and THEN put their seat belt on?