Guys and Girls I am after some advice.
We have a property that we rent out, next door to it is a council house which up until a couple of months ago had a nice Polish girl living there.
The area where the houses are is a nice and friendly one where all the neighbors talk and have BBQ's out the front etc.
Anyway the Polish girl has moved out and bought her own house and the council have moved in a problem family from the really rough estate the other side of town.
Since then they have been non stop abusive to everyone in the close, blocking people in and telling them to "eff off" when they knock and ask them to move the car so they can get out. speeding up and down the close too.
It has come to a head now with our tenant who is a single mom with 3 kids as the council trash nearly ran over my tenants youngest child after he ran into the road to get his ball which resulted in the council trash swearing at the child which in my eyes is not on.
They have also threatened to put bricks through our windows and the council trash kids have also said "dont mess with us, we will kill you" to my tenants kids.
Last night my wife had a text from our tenant saying that she has called the police as they have been abusive to her again all down to her youngest child knocking on their door to ask for his ball back.The gran of the council trash family was saying "we are the R?:@~>es family dont fu@~ing mess with us"
The police where meant to turn up last night but didnt bother which is a poor show.
What can we do ??
We have contacted the councils housing people and they are aware of the family and the problems they are causing and are trying to find them a bigger home(currently 7 people in a 3 bed house. They have asked my tenant to keep a diary of events.
We are looking at selling the property but dont feel we should be pushed out of it because of this !!
I think you and the neighbours should get the housing people on speed dial and note every complaint with them,not much you can do Untill the complaints rack up enough for them to do anything about it,they probably got thrown off the other street for the same thing.
get some community policing under way.. I'd be trying to get as many of the neighbours on board as possible.. draft in some reinforcements - friends, family members etc and hold a big meeting on the problem family's front lawn
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Thank your lucky stars you don't actually live there.
I live in an expensive area, have a good job with both my partner and I working. To get on the property market ladder we bought an ex council property several years ago. It is in a great location ( albeit next to a busy road) with beaches and trails nearby, we get on great with our neighbours who are all fantastic!
Until
The property next door ( council) changed hands. The family who are in there see shouting as THE only form of communication, and allowing their son to smoke cannabis to the rear of our property with his chivvy mates !
I love our house it's gorgeous, and with a 200ft garden - perfect for our 1 year old.
Just a shame that I can see us selling, as things are only going to get worse.
We dont have a PCSO any more due to funding.!!
Lots of neighbors on board already and events are being logged.
I feel a bit crap for my tenant as she feels abit trapped inside her own home!
We haved lived in it and did plan to move back to it when I leave the RAF but things are changing for the worse!!
That doesn't sound too bad to be honest Brack, much like my street in fact.. I love it!
What is the answer for people like this? It seems they are seen as uncontrollable and it's a case of managing them in a way that impacts others as little as possible - not easy.
My lynch mob idea may seem a little bent on first impressions but I think that if you can get your head round it, it's likely to have far more immediate impact than faffing about waiting for official channels to come up with a solution..
I think they are from a gypsy back ground as that was banded around too !!
I just dont know what to do, normally violence isnt the answer but even in this case I think it would just backfire!!
from what I've seen, these 'problem families' tend to rotate round the area, as the council move them from one estate to another when the problems get too much.
only two real options:
i) wait it out and keep complaining, they'll get moved (maybe have a look at their name on the electoral roll to see how long they normally end up staying in one place
ii) arson
Their background isn't relevant. You already know they are probably better at being violent little shits than you are.
Make yourself a nuisance at the Housing Association, not next door. Get your local councillor on board. Speak to your neighbourhood policing team on a regular basis. Log everything.
yeah I'm not advocating violence.. just a show of numbers, community strength
A big angry crowd on yer doorstep is gonna intimidate even the most hardened bully
any form of lynch mob or similar that could lead back to anyone identifiable would just turn into a cycle of sneaky and nasty retaliation, you'd never sleep.
As martinhutch says, they're better at being violent little shits than the locals.
I should point out that my tenant is family so it makes it a bit more personal for me !!
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My sister had the same thing for years, they even shot her cat in her garden with an air rifle.
Until one day my sister cracked. And stormed the neighbours house with her sons via the front window.
It was a bloodbath, one of the attending police officers said it was the most blood he had seen at the scene of a crime where no one actually died.
There were court cases and operations, but the council did finally move the neighbours from hell after hundreds of complaints from my sister but because the neighbours refused to go back through fear.
Blimey Chip, that sounds awful.
Over the road from us are a motley crew of council-estate bred, chavvy degenerates (dare I use such a denigrating terms in the socialist republic of singletrackworld).
They used to get pissed and let off fireworks in the middle of the night, drive chav-mobiles at 60mph on 20mph roads, and generally scare the living daylights out of their elderly neighbours.
But what is one to do? Put the frighteners on them and no doubt you will be the one that gets prosecuted.
In the end the neighbours just kept calling the police on them (they must have had them on speeddial). They seem to have calmed down, although whenever it's a sunny day they revert to type.
In the long term, vote for a very right-wing party; if only we had our own Marine Le Pen!
You can't choose your tenants neighbours, I think your being a bit tough on yourself there even if your tenant is family,as long as your tenant knows you care and want/are doing something about it.
Blimey Chip, that sounds awful.
95 percent of the blood was my sisters and her family as they cut themselves to ribbons smashing there way through the front window with their bare hands , such was the built up frustration.
When the police turned up they had got in and were fighting inside the house with the neighbours .
My sister needed two operations to save her hand and my nephews have scares on there arms that Rival frankenstiens monster. If the police had not turned up when they did god knows what would have happened.
Call Housing assosiation,local council,local councillor, police on 101, every time something happens, they all get paid to sort out shit, keep records /diary of all events.
Chip, that is truly terrible. There are plenty of frustrated people out there on this issue - why should we subsidize these frankly bastard families, who strike fear and resentment into all those around them?
council? are they council tennants, I'm not sure you have been clear enough on this..do they have a big telly too the ****s, burn em
Get in touch with the local council housing officer
If it worries you so much sell your property and buy another next door to nice people.
Take your tenants with you.
As said before, you can't chose your neighbours unless you buy the houses either side.
My problem neighbours finally moved out late last year. It was a privately owned house so there was no way we could get them relocated by the council/ housing association. Instead we had to dig in and play the long game.
My advice would be to get some cheap digital voice recorders and every time the neighbours kick off record it. Then ring 101 and get plod round. If they can hear evidence of threatening and abusive behaviour it makes their life a lot easier when it comes to constructing a case. Web cams in windows are also a discreet way of recording bad behaviour that takes place away from their property; if the abusive behaviour is being perpetrated away from their house on a pavement or road they can be done for a public order offence but the police need evidence.
The people I had to put up with were drug addled scum who thought it was fine to make all sorts of threats and damage other peoples property. I found that the best way to deal with it was to be rational and polite and just get the police round as soon as things got bad. The local officers soon realised that I was a sane person who wasn't causing the problems and they were more willing to try and find a solution. As soon as you start taking things into your own hands and get abusive back to the problem neighbours you very quickly loose the support of the police.
That said I did once loose it and threaten to batter one of my neighbours to death. The police didn't get to hear about it thankfully and the numpty in question did give me a wide berth from then on as do some of my other neighbours even now(letting the polite mask slip from time to time was quite effective).
Its crucial that the other affected neighbours man up and join in the efforts to deal with the trouble makers. It gets wearing when only one or two of you are trying to tackle the problem for the whole community.
I'm lucky, the scum I had to deal with ended up spending all of their cash on booze and drugs and had to sell up and move out. Sounds like your tenants need to play things a bit smart, collect evidence and show the police that they will be getting a call every time things get bad.
mudshark - Member
What is the answer for people like this?
I was under the (mistaken?) impression, that council have the right to deny 'problem*' tenants the option of council housing if they are found to be causing issues?
*Ppl with a history of complaints against them, have gone though a warning system.
Really sorry to hear this OP, hope it gets sorted quickly and painlessly..
I've a question though that I'd like to put out there for those that are reading this thread...what gives the council the right to move a problem family ( a family that are known troublesome lowlife scum that have already cost the taxpayers tens of thousands of pounds in administration, policing etc. ) into a different house on a different estate knowing that they are going to cause exactly the same abuse, grief, worry, stress, loss of sleep etc. to innocent families, tenants etc?
You're going to ask what else are they supposed to do? I don't have a solution..maybe tell them that they have lost the right to be "brick and mortar" housed. Give them a caravan on a piece of waste land..
Nobody deserves to have their lives invaded by these lowlifes.
At the end of the day the council moved these people knowing exactly what would happen..
Rant over.
I have some professional experience in this area and this would be my advice.
keep a diary of every incident and encourage your neighbors to do the same. Contact the relevant housing association and open a formal complaint against the tenant.
Every time there is an incident that warrants police attention call them.
Contact your MP to ask them to assist with your case and to make sure the housing association takes it seriously.
[EDIT] The procedure to get tenants evicted can take several months.
council-estate bred
Hey. I was brought up on a council estate. 😕
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There were a problem family local a few years ago. Council knocked two houses together for them etc.
Then mum & dad were carted off to prison for 6 months for dealing, Kids into care etc.
When they came out the were reunited in a 5 bed £300k detached, rented by the Council for them in a really nice street.
Residents tried all sorts to block it before they moved in...even resorted to flooding the place & cutting the electrics. Four years on they continue to make folks lives a misery. Petty crime mostly, but couple of the sons have graduated to burglary, car theft & serious assaults. Thankfully their feral offspring moved on from my kids school.
What do you do with folk like this though... 😕
Feel for you OP.
Hope things work out.
Sounds awful.
No further advice but feeling your pain
On a purely practical level, I'd be inclined to give your tenant notice to leave and then approach the council about them taking on the property from you - you get guaranteed income and the council deals with the hassle.
This may sound a bit mercanary, but if you can't beat em......
In the long term, vote for a very right-wing party; if only we had our own Marine Le Pen!
But Shirley marine le pen would've never let the original nice polish girl in the country (and certainly not let her work to better herself and buyher own house )and the op would've always had nice Anglo Saxon, Sun reading BNP/front national voting scumbags living next door anyway.
Op you have my sympathy my parents had for many years some absolute tossers (not council) living next door they tried everything, social services, RSPCA, police etc but took years before they moved, my brother is currently struggling to sell his flat thanks to the HA Tennant's he shares the block with too
hi I have nothing to add but just send my thoughts & best wishes. I am a landlord & was once tempted to join the council scheme (they used to pay 50% extra over the mkt rent) guaranteeing you got yr property back after 5 years as they took it on.
Anyway, it was for emergency short term accommodation.....I just couldn't do it as people pay a lot of rent next door, it's just not fair.
Really sorry, keep a log, keep complaining, don't get involved.
But Shirley marine le pen would've never let the original nice polish girl in the country (and certainly not let her work to better herself and buyher own house )and the op would've always had nice Anglo Saxon, Sun reading BNP/front national voting scumbags living next door anyway.
Yes, I'd say that's about the size of it!
Had a similar problem in our last house, really nice family next door, one day woke up to see them moving out, they had swapped their house with a girl who was from a rather well known family (not known to me as I'm not from the area). A 30 odd year old girl who had a wee ned of a boyfriend who was about 17, and had all sorts of shady characters coming at all times of night. Not to mention the huge Rottweiler and bull mastiff pup who were left out all day, their only exercise being rabid barking and attempts at jumping my fence whenever I dared to venture out.
Was the best thing that ever happened to me, put the house up for sale - only took viewings after dark (not hard, it was December) and moved to a far better area. Gave me the kick up the arse I needed.
Not much help, I know, but maybe it's time to get rid?.
I feel for your tenants.
We bought our first home 2 months ago, unknown to us was that next door is social housing, young couple and 6 kids. At the other end of the street is the couples parents and brothers. Every time we viewed the house it was in the day time, when the council tenants next door sleep...
The back garden has a huge shed they basically use as a social club for every scumbag in the area. The latest we've been kept awake is 2.30am, when the kids (all under 10) where throwing stones off my drive at parked cars down the street while their parents got drunk and played darts in their shed. There are fights, smashing bottles, people trying to vault our fence, kids crying/fighting/screaming at all hours.
This went on for a few weeks, then the school hols started and it got worse. I ended up facing 4 drunk chavs in the middle of the night on my front lawn. It was next morning i realised it could of been nasty..
I contacted the estate manager (have a mate on the council who put me in touch), explained the situation, and now the shed is locked up by about 10pm every night. Not great but much better. Still get a lot of noise through the walls but hopefully it'll get better in a couple of weeks.
They are still scum who seem to do whatever they want, party, sleep all day, and all on benefits. While me and my missus have to work 45 hours a week to pay for our house and send my daughter to a good nursery. Sounds a bit 'daily mail' but i never thought i'd feel this way until i experienced it first hand. I've lived next door to council tenants before and got on with them fine- xmas cards, chatting over the garden fence the whole bit.
Its really, really hard to swallow. I'm now keeping diary sheets of every single incident, no matter how slight. If it bothers me even a bit its going in the diary. I refuse to let them ruin what we've worked so hard for.
In my experience the council take it very seriously. I'd find out who the council tenant manager is for your area and get in touch directly.
I'd keep calling the police at every opportunity that warrants them being there. They won't want to have to keep dealing with the shitbags, so eventually they will bring pressure to bear on whoever has put them there. They should then be moved on. Log all the lower level stuff as well.
You need to make a pain in the arse of yourself. Let the housing association / council / whoever know that you aren't going to give up and sell up and it will be too much bother for them to leave these people where they are.
No point in going down the threatening them route as they will be the first to call the police and play the victim if you do.
You need to make a pain in the arse of yourself.
This.
Get together with all the neighbours who have been affected by the council dumping this family on your street. Share out the numbers of the council/police/environmental health, any one who you can complain to. Complain every time that you can. Work together, but don't be afraid of multiple people complaining about the same incident. Make it more work for the council to have this bunch on your street than anywhere else. Get everyone to keep a log of incidents.
Get the scumbags moved on.
Good luck.
Cheers for all the replies.
My tenant has gone away for a week on holiday camping so the house is empty for a week. quite worried about this due to the threats, obviously if they carry them out there is no one at the house to be a witness!
Estate agent is coming round to value the house on wednesday, hopefully it will be quiet!!
Could be worse, my mum can't sell.her house courtesy of the mentally ill psycho who lives next door. Restraining orders, court cases and police threats still don't deter her!! (she's in her 60s) this is privately owned.
council trash
gypsy back ground
people like this
problem families
lowlife scum
drug addled scum
council-estate bred
chavs
mentally ill psycho
BINGO!
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council trash
gypsy back ground
people like this
problem families
lowlife scum
drug addled scum
council-estate bred
chavs
mentally ill psycho
BINGO!
And your solution is....................?
No?
Thought not.
What do you do with folk like this though...
Execute them - if I were Judge Dredd we wouldn't have an overcrowding problem in this country...
You're advocating murder Turner?!
Now we have bingo.
Here we go, I wondered how long it would be until we heard the old fascist pig insults being hurled.
Well it doesn't wash anymore, people are simply fed up of bankrolling a discredited social and cultural revolution which is taking the country down the pan!
What is the solution? Stop all benefits bung them all in prison ? put the kids in care ?
The way I see it you need a massive investment in social workers and education, the kids need positive role models or they will end up repeating the cycle
Hi Kimbers, thanks for the question.
I went to a school with plenty of problem families, there was no shortage of social workers, indeed the teachers after a while became part-time social workers, part-time policemen and women.
It just gave the people causing the problems more excuses for their behavior.
And then we create a system which actually incentivises the problem families to keep reproducing! You couldn't make it up.
I really don't think there is a solution, we've gone too far down this path to turn back. I'd just say be very careful where you choose to live, and by crikes make sure you check out a house and ask the neighbours if there are any problem families next door. I thought what happened to Chip's sister above was truly terrible and would hate to see anybody else experience such a traumatic episode - life is too short.
I bet they have big telly's to the ****s.
If there were no shortages of social workers why were the teachers doing it too?
I don't give the Tories credit for much but they do seem to be trying to do [url= https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/helping-troubled-families-turn-their-lives-around ]something about this[/url]. Its pretty obvious that something needed to change when you read things like this
[i]Government data collected in October and November 2011 estimated that £9 billion is spent annually on troubled families – an average of £75,000 per family each year. Of this, an estimated £8 billion is spent reacting to the problems these families have and cause with just £1 billion being spent on helping families to solve and prevent problems in the longer term.[/i]
Anyone who lived near these families (I've had the dubious pleasure) wouldn't dispute those figures. These families end up dealing with countless agencies, the council, the police, health visitors, social workers. But its disjointed, and none of them seem to talk to each other. And nothing ever seems to get solved.
It'll be interesting to see if it produces the results they're after. But at least it seems to be giving a different approach a go.
I used to work in this "area" and there is only one official solution to your problem.
Someone tells them their behavior is upsetting, They didn't realize their behavior was wrong and change on their own accord.
the police, the council cannot make them change their nature.
Sorry.
Basically, the council are unlikely to move them, as they will have to do a load of work only to have the same problem to deal with but somewhere else.
As they are a council tenant (and the very real reason for calling it out) they will have more rights in there tenancy agreement than a private tenant) the only way to get them evicted is by a court order.
The courts are very reluctant to evict families, as guess what, they still need to live somewhere, and this is just moving the problem.
The level of anti-social behavior you describe is enough to make peoples lives a living hell, but nowhere even close enough for a judge to give an eviction order, or the police to take any "real" action.
if they are a problem family, they will have learnt this long ago, and despite all the governments crowing on ASB powers the council have, in practice they have none that they can use to any effect.
This leaves you on your own to figure out the best resolution from...
1) out intimate them into not causing problems
2) give up an just get whatever tenants you can in
3) sell up
Good people are grateful of help from the state when and if it is required .
****s make a career from it and build a life around around it.
It's their right to bring up six kids in a huge house without ever doing a days work in there life.
Take the kids into care, I would , as then they may have a chance of getting a set of morals instead of getting pregnant at the first opertunity and rinsing the state for every penny they can.
Call the BBC or C5 or local rag?
Short of building a special town to move all these people to I think there is no solution other than to make them aware they'll be punished for being antisocial. So yeah take the kids away as they're likely to just be the same and maybe there's time for that to change though the younger the better obviously. Then with no kids you can fine them and not worry about the kids suffering. Shame we can't let the parents experience some time in a poorer society where they might appreciate the life they have in the UK a bit more.
Here we go, I wondered how long it would be until we heard the old fascist pig insults being hurled.
Well it doesn't wash anymore, people are simply fed up of bankrolling a discredited social and cultural revolution which is taking the country down the pan!
A bit too stridently put for my tastes - but it captures a lot of what I feel about some of these so-called 'problem families'. And for the avoidance of doubt I am not talking about disadvantaged families as a whole. I am talking about the strutting, spitting, swearing, threatening minority who positively revel in their lifestyle.
Why should we all have an enforced whip round to give [u]more[/u] money to people who have probably wasted whatever they do have on drink, drugs and fags? I say 'wasted' when I actually mean 'recycled' because a lot of that money will probably have been obtained illegally. A lot of the time it seems like the more trouble you cause the more 'help' you are given. Have a riot, smash up your local area, then get a grant for regeneration and a new youth centre. Great work if you can get it.
As for taking the kids into care - surely in a lot of these cases leaving them with violent, abusive, criminal parents is a dereliction of duty?
This minority of families are a living insult to anyone who works to legitimately earn a living. When do you stop incentivising bad behaviour?
If the bad behaviour is so incentivesed why do you not do it?
I think this particular issue gets my goat because many people who advocate more of the same (more social workers, more community grants, more council houses for the "disadvantaged") have very little experience of what actually goes on.
I used to think the problem families were stupid, but by heck, they have their wits about them if there's a social worker in town.
I kept on trying to say this to the bleeding heart liberals I met at university (particularly the academics), but they wouldn't listen. My supervisor had a very romanticised, E.P. Thompson view of what I would term the underclass, but reality caught up with him when two of their offspring decided to put fireworks through his letterbox and nearly killed his family.
There is an underlying question of justice, which isn't being properly addressed.
Namely, why should people who have got on in life, subsidise people who choose not to get on in life? Plenty of people on here like to criticise religion because they believe in evolution - why not let evolution takes its natural course then?
People will object, but they don't have the chances you had - but most of our grandparents came from very poor backgrounds, without the luxuries of a subsidised house and 24hour Jeremy Kyle.
If the bad behaviour is so incentivesed why do you not do it?
I would argue because people are not equal and some simply have more self-respect.
If the bad behaviour is so incentivesed why do you not do it?
Integrity.
Whilst not trying to defend the situation the OP is in or the anti social ****wits involved I really dont think the simplistic way of looking at these people lifestyles you have presented is helpful in sorting out the long term problems.
Tougher legal action would be a good start but if it isnt backed up by giving people a chance at a better life its just pissing in the wind.
We dont live this sort of lifestyle because its shit and we prefer our own. There is only an incentive when the other options are equally shit.
I have a solution. Force the long term unemployed who realistically can work to actually work for their benefits, cleaning up and imporving their local neighbourhood. Make them work 8 hours a day for their benefits.
Works on several levels. Keeps them busy (idle hands and all that), improve the local environment for everyone (as people gain pride in their surroundings they take more care of them (hopefully)) and who's going to set fire to the kids play park if they are only going to have to fix it the next day.
Eventually after spending all day picking up dog crap and cleaning graffiti etc... some of the unemployed by choice might decide to get a proper job. This obviously fails if there are no proper jobs but I haven't worked out the solution to this yet.
[i] This obviously fails if there are no proper jobs but I haven't worked out the solution to this yet. [/i]
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Forcing people to work for their benefits is quite costly so there's the cost/benefit thing here. Crazily there are people who choose to use their spare time to volunteer to help their local community in some way or at least come up with useful ways to spend their time. Some people don't care so how do you get them to care?
Find decent foster parents for their kids and squeeze their benefits.
cubist - the system you've just described is exactly what iain Duncan Smith is in the process of bringing in. With only one slight difference. Instead of doing worthwhile namby pamby community-based stuff, he wants them working as free labour for private companies instead
This obviously fails if there are no proper jobs but I haven't worked out the solution to this yet.
Neither has he. And he hasn't quite fathomed out how this could be slightly counter-productive with the whole 'proper jobs' thing. He's not the sharpest tool in the box
We dont live this sort of lifestyle because its shit and we prefer our own. There is only an incentive when the other options are equally shit.
Is that an excuse for threatening, violent behaviour?
If you happen to be on benefits, then that doesn't (and shouldn't) make me prejudiced towards you as a person and your character. You might (as the majority are) be trying to get out of that situation in a legitimate way. You are confusing the issue of [u]relative[/u] poverty and criminality.
Instead of doing worthwhile namby pamby community-based stuff, he wants them working as free labour for private companies instead
I'd only agree to this if there were a handful of unemployed but experienced SQL Developers currently within easy commuting distance of Lincoln 😉
The problems mainly go back to the cultural revolution of the 60s, which began to destroy the institutions like good grammar schools and good technical colleges which used to prevent the explosion of a chav underclass. Most people off council estates learn't a trade, got on in life, and weren't a problem. We need to re-introduce a revised version of the grammar school/technical school system, personally I'd base it on the German model which is proving successful.
Imagine, for example, if we had retained the technical colleges, and stayed out of the EU. English plumbers!
[i]I have a solution. Force the long term unemployed who realistically can work to actually work for their benefits, cleaning up and imporving their local neighbourhood. Make them work 8 hours a day for their benefits.[/i]
Ooh I know I know...that's got a special name...it's on the tip of my tongue, its called. Oh yeah, a job. 😆
You are aware that any neighbour issues that are reported to the council now have to be declared when selling your house aren't you?
If you really are hoping to sell, then maybe you don't want your tenants reporting every offence.
Pick your path wisely as it may cause a sale to fall through in future.
You are aware that any neighbour issues that are reported to the council now have to be declared when selling your house aren't you?
I didn't know that. No matter what anyone does, the Chavs Win!
(Catch ya around yeah, I'm off to buy a tracksuit and a pitbull, innit.)
Here's an underasked question: what happens if Chavland decides to convert to Islam? Saw a chav-chap the other day I'd been to school with, off to Friday prayers. Might improve things, I think.
We bought our first home 2 months ago, unknown to us was that next door is social housing, young couple and 6 kids.
You bought my old house.
We bought the place with intentions of staying about 5 years and doing a number of improvements.
Next door were thankfully not out and out criminal scum, but did enjoy marital fisticuffs at 3am on the lawn, sometimes with their kids and sometimes not, late night kareoke with all their mates, late night parties in the shed with kareoke and all their mates, and cocaine fuelled barbeques, at night, late at night, with all their mates, a bundle of spliffs, and their mates barking dogs.
My best advice to anyone in the same situation is to sell up and get gone. Life is too short.
If only we could revise the sermon on the mount to include the provisos a) except when they are having a loft extension built and b) except when they are trouble-making anti-social chavs.
I was a tenant in a flat with awful neighbours, parties until 7am every friggin weekend, and several times mid-week. So loud the floor was vibrating, it was like sleeping in a nightclub. They also had frequent loud violent arguments at 5am, which meant the councils sound monitoring team couldn't attend either, they insisted on the police being called.
I started talking to them politely, but nothing changed. Then complained to council, who wrote a letter. The parties still continued, only now they started various petit revenge tactics such as letting my car tyres down or filling my bin up with their cr@p, and swearing at me if i happened to bump into them.
In the end i told the landlady to keep the deposit and moved out.
The problem for me as a tenant, was that the official means of sorting this out take a long time (longer than the tenancy) and opened me up to lots of "revenge" from the neighbours.
Its simply easier to move out.
The neighbours owned their flat btw, this was nothing to do with benefits or council houses or whatever.
Plenty of people on here like to criticise religion because they believe in evolution - why not let evolution takes its natural course then?
First that isn't true (I criticise religion because it's basically bonkers) but even if it were true then the chavs would win - they're breeding more and without society they'd kill you and nick all your stuff!
Best get that 2 child benefit limit thing in sharpish.
We've had our right share of 'problem' neighbours...
My best moment was the 'chav scum mother' ( I believe is the term being used here) who would scream and shout about noise if we were digging in the garden during the weekend. How I laughed when she went into labour with another during a quiet day when I was working from home. As they carried her screaming to the ambulance, I lent from my office window and asked if she wouldnt mind keeping the noise down, all done with a huge grin on my stupid face...
First that isn't true (I criticise religion because it's basically bonkers) but even if it were true then the chavs would win - they're breeding more and without society they'd kill you and nick all your stuff!
If society were left to itself we wouldn't go out of our way to pay their benefits, they would either starve or start robbing us, in which case we would string em up or start a war and stick them in the front-line (which was one of the reasons for European wars back in the day, to refresh the blood-line).
If society were left to itself we wouldn't go out of our way to pay their benefits, they would either starve or start robbing us, in which case we would string em up or start a war and stick them in the front-line (which was one of the reasons for European wars back in the day, to refresh the blood-line).
A tad pessimistic now I think..............
I think we might be entering the arena of the provocative here.
I had a family like this moved in across the way from me many years ago and it's not a pleasant experience. It's easy to judge from the outside if it's never happened to you. It's altogether different if it impacts you on a daily basis.
It's also very easy to say 'just sell up' but do you think people are queuing up to buy a house near problem families? Easier said than done. The houses that have sold near me have taken years and the ones within a door or two of them are simply unsellable. And why should I have to suffer the financial penalty of reduced valuations due to a problem family that the local housing association knowingly moved in? I'm amazed in this day and age that somebody has not sued the councils for the financial loss? Maybe things would change if somebody successfully did this?
Strangely, once I had a proper go (verbally) at their ****less father (to half the bulldog faced tarts kids - the father of the others is in prison) and their eldest son came round to confront me, things got lots better. Only after I ended up punching him repeatedly in the face. People can only be pushed so far before they reach breaking point. Once they realise that they can't walk all over anybody their attitude changes. Not something I'd done before or since but even the police told me it was a far more effective tool to use against them than anything they could do. They've pretty much steered clear of me since, apart from the usual foul mouthed abuse by their young kids (the worst being about a 9 year old girl).
All I've learnt is that the system favours them at every turn and unless you can evidence some serious criminal behaviour, nothing will ever change. They've been near me for around 8 years now and they'll be here long after I'm gone (assuming I can ever sell my house). Welcome to modern Britain.