[Closed] Cops probe Ashley Cole ‘choc ice’ tweet

A councillor in Bristol got prosecuted for calling another a coconut

So two mates taking the mickey out of each other is a police matter these days.

Its alright, some of his best friends are black.

I guess when they do it on a social networking site, read by millions, it must be.

I guess when they do it on a social networking site, read by millions, it must be.

Some people really need to get a sense of humour in that case.

He's not a racist, but...

Some people really need to get a sense of humour in that case.

Probably millions in this case.

didnt your lost post for this get pulled for being blatant trolling efhnt?

How is it a racist comment?

It doesn't stereotype anyone by race or colour, merely points out Coles supposed hypocricy.

So two mates taking the mickey out of each other is a police matter these days.

+1

Ferdinand and Cole are mates are they ?

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Pies.

It's why the Police are too busy to deal with the ££££ of stolen bikes we lose (and find again on Ebay) - a couple of ****s using slang take all the resource.

Its also why, in my opinion, the police service is a total and utter completely insulated and unaccountable public disgrace.

OMG it was on Twitter and I was like OMG, WTF? Then the Police were like OMG. Etc.

Another storm in a twitter tea cup.

Oh look, an avid reader of twitter comes on to make out he pays it no attention at all.

I reckon a black person can insult another black person for not being "one of them" in much the same way a mtber can insult a mat who buys a road bike for not being "one of them".
ferdinand re tweeted it rather than said it though ...for those who tweet does this matter?
EDIT: For DD I have an account - i needed one to to read elfins stuff but I have been on there for one day and never tweeted. I have no opinion on it ...like i could say it was sad spending all day in the interwebz spouting nonsense to strangers 😳

As for blaming the police would you rather they ignored complaints or just answered your personal ones?

In all honesty I blame the criminals for the stolen bikes and Ebay for turning a blind eye rather than under resourced plod.

[quote=Junkyard said]EDIT: For DD I have an account - i needed one to to read elfins stuff but I have been on there for one day and never tweeted.

You don't need a twitter account to read others tweets (inc. Freds stuff)

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How does this twitter thing work again ?

JY my comment was aimed at the poster directly above mine. You know the one, always quoting stuff from twitter, even stalking users from here when they tweet, waving hello etc. and then pretending he thinks it's a load of bollocks.

I'm not sure twitter's for you though matey...140 characters and all that... 🙂

I knew it was not me and thank you sir that is one of the funniest things I have read on here ...genuine Lolage 😆

Rio made a racist comment in the same way that Terry did. If there is a rule to be applied, then it should be consistent. Terry's was more overt, but Ferdinand's sneakier reference is just as unpleasant. Imagine a white person insulting someone using the the term chocolate. Fortunately, that died out years ago. Should the police be involved? Well that's another question entirely!

Just shows what an unpleasant bunch these guys. Money can buy you many things but.....

I've never understood why the medium is in any way relevant to the validity (or not) of its contents.

Saying it's "only" on Twitter is like saying it's only on TV or only in the newspapers. If people express controversial opinions or are offensive in public, is it suddenly trivial because they happen to do it on Facebook?

thm, you're about as much use as a chocolate teapot. 🙂

Rio made a racist comment in the same way that Terry did.

Is it really a racist comment though?

I can't find any definition of the term that suggests that it is.
Childish, certainly, but racist?

Does re tweeting someone else comments constitute saying it?
Serious question to the twitterati

Just shows what an unpleasant bunch these guys. Money can buy you many things but..

PS dont ever ever venture into the world of rap you wont believe hows those racist "hoods" and "gangstas" address each other.

Does re tweeting someone else comments constitute saying it?

So, the defence is that he was just repeating something that was said to him?

Thats irony for you 😀

Given that Ashley Cole isn't bothered I think you'd have to be desperately looking to be offended to be outraged by this.

Given that Ashley Cole isn't bothered

Well, given Anton Ferdinand said he was not bothered and it shouldn't have been a police issue when Terry got prosecuted...

Did you just ask that question too then Zulu?

So, the defence is that he was just repeating something that was said to him?

Well, Given old Enoch was largely repeating what someone had said to him when he gave his rivers of blood speech, I don't think that its the best defence against accusations of racism, is it Junky 😉

Well, given Anton Ferdinand said he was not bothered and it shouldn't have been a police issue when Terry got prosecuted...

Really? Link?

Do you see no difference between 'choc ice' and **** black * btw?

Just under 10% of the posts on the thread and no point made yet Zulu. Comedy gold. As ever.

I heard he likes a good probing.

Junkyard - Member
said like a true white upper class classist mocking the "noveau riche" who can be better of than you but not better than you...what was your point aout rules being applied universally?

Actually, you are merely demonstrating your own prejudice here JY and an amazing ability to jump to conclusions.

I am not mocking a group of people (in your words the nouveau riche), I am making relatively objective comments about a small group of premiership footballers. That is pretty specific, don't you think? So I am applying rules universally - I think RF and JT demonstrate pretty objectionable standards of behaviour including using racist language. And for consistency, I also think all those concerned are frankly big enough to ignore the stupid comments for what they are worth - nothing. Funny that Anton Ferdinand did just that initially! Will getting the police involved in these cases, stamp out racism. Sadly, I doubt it.

BTW, just because our resident IB appears to be on yet another "sabbatical", you don't have to take over his mantle! Why make personalised insults? And what is the relevant of race in the personalised attack (ironical that given the original case?).

The term choc ice has a well known meaning and it differentiates in one manner and one manner only - race. To claim that this is not racist (presumably because a black/mixed race person made the comment) is simply mistaken or one could say naive (but that is slightly rude 😉 )

Really? Link?

[i]Asked why he was "reluctant" to involve police, Ferdinand said he had wanted it to be "dealt with by the FA" as it happened on the pitch.[/i]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/09/john-terry-case-racist-language

Do you see no difference between 'choc ice' and **** black * btw?

Oh, now we have different 'grades' of racial abuse now do we?

I'm waiting to hear the Diane Abbot defence 🙄

To claim that this is not racist (presumably because a black/mixed race person made the comment)

A black/mixed racist person can obviously be racist, but to another black/mixed race person? Who's also his mate and didn't find it offensive? Again, it seems some people are desperate to be offended.

Will someone please explain why the 'choc ice' comment is racist?
Please?

Actually Z11 and JY, Enoch Powell's rivers of blood is probably one of the most misquoted pieces of modern history (along with much of JM Keynes). It is a reference purely to his classical education at what was one of UK's best schools (KES B'ham) and when taken in its correct context of Roman history is actually a slur on white working class people. Of course, that did not stop others continuing to mis-quote it for their own political purposed, conveniently ignoring Powell's strong defence of, for example, Mau Mau prisoners who others around him considered sub-human. Those who chose to listen and read what Powell said (such as Dennis Healey interestingly) often came to very different conclusions. Funny that!

Will someone please explain why the 'choc ice' comment is racist?
Please?

It's meant to mean a black person who's white inside (though not according to Rio Ferdinand, somewhat unconvincingly imo) - this implies there are certain types of behaviour or generalisations you can make about what is 'white behaviour' or 'black behaviour'.

I don't see how it's racist in it's proper meaning of claiming the inferiority of a particular race though. Compared to the John Terry incident - he used the term black as part of a pretty nasty insult. There seems to be no implication in the term choc ice that one race is superior to another AFAIK.

Cheers grum, I thought it was just me that was going mad.

I was aware of the meaning of the phrase, but for the life of me cannot see any way that it could be construed as racist.

It implies no intrinsic difference between races and doesn't stereotype.
It doesn't denigrate one race at the expense of another or attribute certain characteristics to an entire racial group.

At worst, it seems to be just slightly childish wordplay.

It is a reference purely to his classical education at what was one of UK's best schools (KES B'ham)

I know he never said it but z-11 comment refers to the whip hand comment I assume so was accurate in the point he made ...did i just say that.

The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7 a.m. by two Negroes who wanted to use her phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying her rates, she had less than £2 per week. She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said 'racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country'. So she went home.

The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most in a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out.

Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letterbox. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. 'Racialist', they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.

the reactionary fear of little englanders is still there as they try to hold on to some fanciful view of their mongrel race as some sort of indigenous aboriginal homogeneous breed when they just mean WHITE. It like they dont now where three lions and england comes from, a fact I am sure could be remedied by the high calibre of education enoch benefited from

This whole business with Plod investigating Facebook, Twitter etc etc

Really? FFS, can't everyone just grow up.

The amount of time that public sector professionals are forced to waste on this kind of he said/she said bollocks or people being delicate little flowers over some halfwit's comments. It's like STW or something.

I was just wondering what other crimes are not crimes because it is on the Interweb? Child porn??

@ Grum the only racial element to is it that it can only really refer tor a black man

IIRC the correct term to a White person is well here have a picture
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Well if you want to consider Birmingham grammar schools "elitist", ok then!

The school's declared aim is:

'to make available to the widest possible range of able boys an educational experience that is the richest, most diverse and most exciting possible in an atmosphere that provides support, encouragement and care for everyone, pupils and staff, here. We want our pupils to love coming here and to go from here prepared for all that human life has to offer.'

These words are not carelessly chosen. We do actually believe in excitement and care. [b]We are also deeply committed to making this opportunity available to all[/b], as our extensive and growing provision of Assisted Places shows.

You decide!

How is it a racist comment?

Really?

It's saying you're white inside, an insult, white = bad. It's as racist as you can get.

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You really need to mix with some black people and hear them use the term in context.

wow the Chief Master [ what a common title eh ] of the £10 k per term school gives some nice spin a to show he cares so much that the majority of their pupils still pay and they make money...GAWD BLESS EM

I take it all back it is positively egalitarian ..I mean what else can you think if a fee paying school where 30 % get assistance and 10 % of places are free [ if off course you pass the entrance exam which costs £25 and is non refundable - its is free if your parents are unemployed though] if you are bright enough.

I have decided thanks now what is your view of a fee paying selective school with an entrance exam? I assume we both recognise the rhetorical

Well as I was born and grew up in its shadows and have parent's friends who benefitted directly from its more generous endowments years ago, please excuse me if I draw a different conclusion. But feel free to make jibes at a school that demonstrates among the highest standards of academic excellence in the country - its an easy target of course, bit like a choc ice! Good night.

edit for an edit: so £25 is an extravagant investment in a child's education. Less than one MTB tyre. Good grief! Any way, apologies for dragging this off topic.

Back to non-racist footballers...

Tucker, that's an 'interesting' interpretation. 🙂
Sure you're not reading too much into it?
It could be construed that way, but I'm not convinced that that was the intention of the remark.

Interesting Guardian article [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/17/choc-ice-rio-ferdinand-ashley-cole?newsfeed=true ]here [/url]regarding the racism question.

Interesting final paragraph there Rusty (well interest article full stop).

But feel free to make jibes at a school that demonstrates among the highest standards of academic excellence in the country

an extravagant investment in a child's education

It seems fine across the board for one black guy to call another a ****, so I guess you can't be racist to your own race, it has been decided, by someone, somewhere.

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It seems fine across the board for one black guy to call another a ****

As ever though, context is key. It's just a word made of six letters but the lips that speak it and the context in which it's spoken or written are what give the word its power. One assumes that the great majority of uses of the word between black people are not in a racist context.

If people express controversial opinions or are offensive in public, is it suddenly trivial because they happen to do it on Facebook?

It seems fine across the board for one black guy to call another a ****,

Its alright, some of his best friends are black.

It's saying you're white inside, an insult, white = bad. It's as racist as you can get.

Surely it's about being fake and not true to yourself rather than any slight on white people?

The only way in which I think it's dubious is it seems to be making the assumption that certain types of behaviour are inherently 'black' and others are 'white' - whereas largely it's not really a great idea to generalise.

Otherwise when black people listen to Indie or Classical music you could say they are not being true to themselves, which is obviously pretty silly.

the reactionary fear of little englanders is still there as they try to hold on to some fanciful view of their mongrel race as some sort of indigenous aboriginal homogeneous breed when they just mean WHITE.

What a truly delightful individual you really are. Thanks for speaking for the english peoples, they'd be lost without you.

I dont like racist little englanders ...feel free to defend them as much as you like.

Junky you've excelled yourself this time boy - displaying so many personality disorders all in one thread. And you've taken the bait twice! Hats off to you sir. 😀

So let me get this straight you started a thread on this which got pulled, you then called the moderators racist and I assume spent some time under the ban hammer/on the naughty step.
Your first action on your return was to start a thread on the same issue.
You then post up an act of smug self aggrandisement about your trolling abilities whilst doing ad hominems on me for my “disorders”.
I suggest you look a little closer to home for issues tbh.

No Junkyard you are STILL talking complete nonsense go and have a lie down 😀

My account of what happened is still true even though you have done another weak ad hominem

In your loony head yes I'm sure 😆

You dont need to be a "loony" to recognise your ad hominems and my account still remains true despite another one. Anyway enough of the playground antics for me if not for you

*pops in, has look around, sees enfht self-pwn not once, not twice but three times. Closes door quietly and leaves*

Junky did you once go by the name of RudeBoy? 😆

Make that four times. 😆

Why not run with that idea, it is as convincing as anything else you have said.
DD you are meant to be laughing with him not at him.
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