[Closed] Chinese toddler ran over.. WTF!!

"Some said they understood the dilemma for the passers-by - that if they helped out they might incur costs or be blamed for the accident."

there is no hope for the human race

Watched the video and now feel sick. 🙁

wont watch the video read about upset me enough

its a shit world we live in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865

As Kimbers said, I read about this and it greatly upset me. I just cannot press play on the video clip

there is no hope for the human race

Really don't want to believe this but after reading this story...

Watch ITNs edited footage.. That was bad enough.

Just watched the clip it's not particularly graphic. But that is probably reasonably common in China and India plus others. China has gone from bikes to cars in a short space of time, they can't ****ing drive anyone who I know who's been there, mentions it was one of the most amazing things which is odd! There is a clip of Chinese driving on you they go through crossroads without looking.

The driver of that van should be done for murder, he was not travelling fast enough to not have seen the child. The people who walk around him, whilst I understand the value of money 18 EIGHTEEN you have a problem there that's ****ing disgraceful.

Whilst that would never happen in the UK we still have the shadow of baby peter!

RIP Wang Yu 😥

2 ****ing years old, murdering c**t!!

Also where were his pissing parents!!

wtf? even the 'good samaritan' could have paralysed the 2 year old, and if you watch, lets her head just flop to the floor? wtf?

how can people be brought up to just think it's acceptable to ignore this? I suppose easily when you see that mother and daughter walk by... such a terrible impression.

Watched the video ... its a bit of an eye opener mainly in terms of the indifference attitude of people going past.

I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised at the attitude.

I spoke to my wife about this as shes from China and arrived here in July. The problem is that if you help someone after an accident theres a good chance you will be blamed by the person you helped as being the cause of the accident and asked for compo and being stiffed for the hospital bills which it seems the majority of chinese people are afraid of incurring. When your average wage is £1200 per annum being stuck with a £4000 bill is no laughing matter. There have been several well publicised cases in China where the good samaritan has been sued and lost the case, in some instances losing their homes _ i believe that this has occurred in the province where this incident occurred.

My Dad was married to a rather unpleasant Chinese lady for many years and visited her relatively rural hometown two or three times. He had some shocking stories of dead female babies left in the gutter - all down to the one child policy (which I think is slightly more relaxed now). If a couple's first child was a girl, it was apparently not at all uncommon to kill the baby and try for a boy the next time. So not very surprised by this news - horrible business.

China = a huge mess

really? the problem with compensation culture that surrounds this case has been well documented and existed well before just as bob pointed out.

and as for it not happening in britain. don't make me laugh.

Horrible story but at least get your facts right.

It happened in a market and not a busy road. Don't know how didn't spot that

[grammar-nazi]Sorry just realised that the apostrophe in my last post is in the wrong place - couples' is a plural noun 😳 [/grammar-nazi].

And swiss - I also don't believe this would happen in the UK. Not for one second.

ComradeD- tbh I wasn't really looking at the surroundings in great detail.. Attention was fixed on the van moving slowly towards the wean.. Don't think the exact location lessens my horror at the folk going past the injured wean. Never mind someone else doing it a second time!!

Any of you been to China? It's not like Surrey, you know.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15398332

They have the 2 drivers, I hope they enjoy China's justice system as much as the toddler enjoyed being murdered! 😡

this story distresses me greatly. what the hell is wrong with people.
a friend commented on this on facebook a couple of days ago. all his mates started joking about it and i hit the roof. went off on one at them all. one guy even tried to defend himself that saying they were only having a laugh. tw@s

Strange friends your mate keeps!

what the hell is wrong with people

At the end of the day, all it takes is a legal system that makes the people who stop and help financially responsible for the person they're helping - that's sufficient inhibition in a society where most people don't have much to begin with.

There are undoubtedly people in this country who share a similar attitude, usually on the basis of 'health and safety' concerns, or fears about the 'compensation culture' - I worked with someone recently whose organisation has decided not to train them in First Aid, in order to avoid being exposed to litigation, despite there being no legal precedent for a First Aider ever having been [i]successfully[/i] sued for offering assistance.

Compare it with France, where the law penalises you for [i]not[/i][b] stopping to help, insists that you carry a first aid kit in the car etc...

The Human race at its very worst.
I really don’t believe this would happen in the UK (YET?)

I suspect the majority of us will still not hesitate to press the ‘Buy Now ‘button though on cheap Chinese bike stuff.

It seems nothing has a true value in China and the like.

Makes you think doesn’t it.

And swiss - I also don't believe this would happen in the UK. Not for one second.

Let's imagine that if you stop to help, there's a good chance you'll get sued for three times your annual salary. What do you think would happen then?

To say people would think twice about helping due to financial reasons is just beyond comprehension to me.

I would put my life on the line in a situation like that I honestly would. It would be an automatic reaction.
I have been in a similar (less dramatic) situation and that’s exactly what I did, and would again.

And swiss - I also don't believe this would happen in the UK. Not for one second.

Let's imagine that if you stop to help, there's a good chance you'll get sued for three times your annual salary. What do you think would happen then?

it would be worth every penny to know that i did what i could.

Easy to say when there's no risk of it happening to you.

toppers3933

+1

Easy to say when there's no risk of it happening to you.

Why not?
Please explain.

 

Why not?
Please explain.

easy to say or not its a fact. id have walked barefoot over broken glass to help that kid. i know that as a fact. im not trying to sound big or clever. i just would. money isnt every thing. and before you say it, i dont have much.
i also appreciate that there are cultural differences around the globe, but it never ceases to amaze me that some cultural differences amount to a total lack of regard for your fellow man.

It's nothing to do with cultural differences. If you think I'm making an argument based on moral relativism then you're well wide of the mark. I say again - you can't know what you would do in that situation (with the personal costs as described) until you're in that situation. Something unknowable is not a fact.

Cant see that and have been in a similar situation, there was a risk to my life and I still helped, have no regrets. If it was a financial risk I wouldn’t think twice.

Sorry if that sounds like Macho Bravado but there you go.

Still sick to the pit of my stomach and will now think twice before buying something direct from China.

i really dont want to sound like im arguing and im sorry if i do. i do get what your saying but i also know what id do in that situation. so it is a fact for me personally.
id like to leave it there if thats ok. 🙂

Still sick to the pit of my stomach and will now think twice before buying something direct from China.

Well, it was sickening. Regarding a boycott, I assume you'll be boycotting goods from all countries where there are examples of injured children not being helped? See post no. 4.

Anyone live in London and visit some of the really dank and dangerous parts?

Loving the quasi-racism on this thread. Nice.

Well, it was sickening. Regarding a boycott, I assume you'll be boycotting goods from all countries where there are examples of injured children not being helped? See post no. 4.

Yep,
spose I agree, I cant really boycot them all. (cant open the link at work) A knee jerk reaction I know but something a graphic really does make you want to do something.

I will think twice though.

'quasi-racism' ?

I also don't believe this would happen in the UK. Not for one second.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3700446.stm

Really horrible wherever it happens.

Also, [allegedly, source unverified] if you really injure someone on the road in China, by law you're financially responsible for their health treatment. If they die, the death by dangerous driving fine could potentially be much less than that.
With regards to the being blamed for the incident if you help, a judge ruled in one case (paraphrased) "There is no reason someone would help someone hurt that much unless they caused the injury".

Very strange policies.

Well I'm married to a Chinese girl and her family would have helped in this situation - though they're also a lot better off than the average so have less to lose relatively if they got blamed. The thing is human life doesn't have the same value to many of them as it does to most of us, it's a very different culture so perhaps they can't be expected to behave in the same way as we think is the norm. I was surprised by how happy they are to dump rubbish causing an eyesore close to their houses, but then that does happen here too.

My little girl is 20months and that video seriously distressed me. It's terrible that she has died. One Chinese microblogger put it best..."there are no cars in heaven".

That story made me sick, and I'd like to think that I would have stopped and helped, whatever the financial cost.

However I can't shake the ugly feeling that this attitude is somewhat of a luxury. I live in a country with a system which I believe is fundamentally just, and among people who vocally share my most treasured values -- I don't have much to fear by doing what I think is right.

If, on the other hand, I lived in some hypothetical place where as a result of my action my wife and 2 month old daughter would be forced to live their lives on the street eating out of garbage cans, I'd re-think the equation, and almost certainly would just walk on by. My primary responsibility is to my family. Of course it's a matter of degree -- I would trade my daughter's momentary acute discomfort for another child's life. I would not trade my daughter's lifetime of acute discomfort for another child's life. Where does that balance lie? I don't know, and I hope I'll never have to find out.

By all means the story is truly sickening. But the analysis here is a bit naive.

My son is half-chinese. You see poverty all around the world in Sheepridge Huddersfield if the council didn't clean the streets the area would soon resemble Sarejevo in no time at all.

Don't tar ALL of China with one incident.

Let me give you food for thought:

<1mile from my house is a sliproad on the m60 where last winter a breakdown recovery worker was loading a broken down car. He was clipped by someone who didn't slow down for the weather conditions ON A SLIPROAD leaving the motorway. There are eye witness accounts of drivers driving round him as he lay in the road and continuing on their way.

He died later in hospital.

A couple of years ago a bloke was side swiped off his motorbike and left over the lights in lane 1 of a dual carriageway on the way upto Man U. I stood over him blocking oncoming traffic to prevent him being run over whilst we waited for an Ambulance. Match fans were intent on getting to the match and barely slowed- cutting into lane 2 as quickly as they could. It was abit hairy but only a bus driver, myself and the bikers mate helped. Everyone on the bus drivers bus sat there gawping and no one pulled over to stop/block and use their hazards. I even had to pick up and drag his bike out of the way as a couple of cars almost hit the bike.

I later phoned the hospital to check on the rider and a friendly Doc said 'he'll recover fully but it'll be a while' 🙂

Why are people like this?

Sleep well racists.

Just two of my own experiences locally and nowhere near China town.

Denis Livesley, 60, was loading a crashed Volvo onto his recovery truck on a slip road off the M60 when a Volkswagen Golf skidded on ice and hit him

A tow truck driver was mown down by a runaway car only to be left dying in the road - as other motorists drove round him.
Denis Livesley, 60, was loading a crashed Volvo onto his vehicle on a motorway when a Volkswagen Golf skidded on ice and ploughed into him.
But instead of stopping to help, drivers in other cars swerved round Mr Livesley as he lay face down on the inside lane of a slip road on the M60 near Sale, Greater Manchester.
According to witnesses, some drivers had so little regard for the dying man, they even edged their cars past the Golf which had hit him because they did not want to be held up.
Mr Livesley, from Oldham, who once worked as a roadie for Elton John and Sting was eventually attended to by passers-by including a doctor and then an ambulance crew but was pronounced dead on arrival at Trafford General Hospital.
The shocking 'walk on by' scenario emerged as a jury returned a verdict of unlawful killing at an inquest into Mr Livesley's death which occurred in December 2009.

Laura Warmoth, who was travelling to work, told the Stockport hearing: 'It was horrific. I couldn't believe my eyes as I witnessed motorists manoeuvring around him and driving off without stopping.

'They had little or no regard for the man. It appeared all they were bothered about was getting past and getting on their journey.

'They were swerving past the tailgate of the Golf. It was like a game. I found it very disturbing.'

Mrs Warmoth said she stopped her car at an angle to block the traffic and then went over to Mr Livesley who was said to be motionless

Yep, had cars nearly run my feet over and sound their horns at me to move when i was knelt giving cpr to an old lady who had been hit by a car. Not really that much different here.

This reminds me of a constant theme in J G Ballards autobiography. He grew up in wartime shanghai, a pretty brutal place. He was shocked by how cheap life appeared to be there, but learnt that his morality was effectively purchased, by way of his privileged position in society.

Also, as hora points out, similar things happen here. Either way, its a tragedy.

http://www.****/news/article-1335011/Collapsed-pensioner-brink-death-ignored-people-passing-5-hours.html

Then there are dying people who have had their wallet/pockets rifled. A case recently in the press where a young, promising member of society jumped off a multi story and a fella helped himself to her possessions and legged it. Again local to me, here in Manchester.

Without trying to course any argument, the M60 if your travelling past at 60mph and see another person, Laura Warmoth helping you may feel that the incident is being dealt with appropriately although I must say it does sound a bit worse than that.

In the Wang Yue case a van at walking pace murdered her and 18 people walked yes walked past!! Beggars belief although as I mentioned earlier the well publicised baby P case is equally gobsmacking!

It was on the slip road though.

We all see the way some drivers treat cyclists. I've given up cycling to work after two nasty close misses.

sorry hora but I've had a long day. what do you mean by racist? genuine question as i can't be arsed to go through all the posts.
cheers

A couple of years ago an old lady collapsed on the pavement; the guy a few yards in front of me stepped over her and carried on walking. That was in England.

Whilst that would never happen in the UK

yet in the UK people will walk past a woman screaming for help whilst being attacked and not get involved.

or that horrific case where someone drowned trying to save their dog in heavy seas and lots of people just stood around filming it on their phones. We in the UK are just as F__ked 😥

''or that horrific case where someone drowned trying to save their dog in heavy seas and lots of people just stood around filming it on their phones''.

Poor comparison there tazz, to assist the todler would not have put their life at risk, unlike jumping into a heavy sea to save someone from drowning.

Not the same at all.
Prety sick to film it though.

Can't view the video but I get the idea.

I'm just on my way home from 2 weeks in Africa; last week a customer insisted on showing me some pics on his phone that he took after Christians massacred several hundred Muslims in his town - completely unreported by the media as usual. I felt sick and handed the phone back after the third pic. Suffice to say that cannibalism is still practised in Africa with obvious gusto.

ditch_jockey - Member

There are undoubtedly people in this country who share a similar attitude, usually on the basis of 'health and safety' concerns, or fears about the 'compensation culture' - I worked with someone recently whose organisation has decided not to train them in First Aid, in order to avoid being exposed to litigation, despite there being no legal precedent for a First Aider ever having been successfully sued for offering assistance.

not going to watch the vid i have enough bad things in my head.

i have been the 1st and 2nd person on the scene to two motorbike accidents, both in west midlands and both times the passing drivers treated the scenes as a nuisance with no help and people almost driving over the injured parties etc.

in the company i work for a 1st aider was recently grilled for several hours over a couple of days by some horrible f*ing lawyers over the immediate 1st aid they supplied after a nasty accident(blood loss and comfort really). the company paid up before going to court. as a result people are now (unofficialy)advised not to apply for 1st aid training with this being used as a reason = whatever you do you will be attacked by nasty lawyers.

in summary, people are sh!t sometimes.

 

tazzymtb - Member
or that horrific case where someone drowned trying to save their dog in heavy seas and lots of people just stood around filming it on their phones. We in the UK are just as F__ked

jesu, there are some mentals on this forum.

first pag reads like a splash line from any redtop, oh dear.

i have experienced this type of disregard for human suffering when i found an old lady who had collapsed on the pavement, cutting her head in the process. Where and when did this happen? Royal Leamington spa, on the Parade(main st) and on a sat afternoon.

We dont know how we will react when these situations arise.

To be honest even if someone tried to take me for all my money for stopping to help a two year who had been run over, I still would help. Its the right thing to do.

This isn't a cultural thing, this is just people being selfish and down right disgusting. The same thing would happen in every major city in the world. Including the 'civilised' western ones.

[i]To be honest even if someone tried to take me for all my money for stopping to help a two year who had been run over, I still would help. Its the right thing to do.[/i]

I suppose the fact is that that is easier to say in a country with reasonable standards of law and legal recourse. Also, being sued in the UK does not mean your children will end up on the streets begging for food or becoming prostitutes (possibly with you pimping them) with no health provision or state assistance until they die prematurely.

The sad fact is that in many nations getting involved could put you in that scenario.

It is harder to understand in our secure western states.

What I find harder to understand is why anyone would actually want to watch the video.

Sick...neighbours daughter witnessed similar in Africa...truck hit a kid breaking his leg....then proceeded to engage reverse gear to finish him off...she dragged him out of the way, told they couldn't afford hospital treatment so it was common practice...happy ending was she paid for kids leg repair...makes you realise how lucky we are here