It's funny how upset people get when they have their prejudices challenged. Pretty sad though that so many are walking around full of fear and hatred for large sectors of society, because of the way they dress and talk.
Anti-intellectualism and lack of ambition aren't caused by poverty and can spread quite readily across different ethnicities and classes. Demonising and ridiculing it is a good thing.
with a little flag
If it need lambasting why p**s about with a little flag? Big flags FTW!
If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words.
In other words, conform to a standard you are comfortable with?
Who are you to demand that others conform to your standards? What makes you so special?
I meant rudebwoy. No-one's upset.because of the way they [s]dress and talk[/s]. behave
FTFY
DezB - yeah clearly it's just about behaviour and there's no prejudice involved about clothing and accents etc.
If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.
Anti-intellectualism and lack of ambition aren't caused by poverty and can spread quite readily across different ethnicities and classes. Demonising and ridiculing it is a good thing.
How about prejudice and ignorance?
you should come to surrey.
Loads of middle class student chavs around here. Hanging around, talking like they're from an estate in peckham and talking about stabbing people.
Then mummy/daddy come and pick them up in the chelsea tractor. 😀
I'm sure they hate me more and understand me less.
Chaver dress code and speech is an adopted affectation which should be as ridiculous to the right thinking person as a dog wearing a suit and playing trombone.
maybe they been breaking windows, copycat behaviour an' all that.
Ewan--i was not calling you ignorant-- specifically, but i have asked you some questions regarding the incident that you seem to want to ignore/avoid.
Chaver dress code and speech is an adopted affectation which should be as ridiculous to the right thinking person as a dog wearing a suit and playing trombone.
All dress codes and manners of speech are 'affectations'. Yours included. Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.
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Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.
I don't bully people into acting/dressing the way I do, I'm just acting Chavs to stop being d**cks and try a little bit harder. Sure on the negative side we'd end up with more well adjusted middle class kids looking for work instead of having our street corners being filled with very poor advertisments for sportswear... But that's a price I'm willing to pay.
Ewan--i was not calling you ignorant-- specifically, but i have asked you some questions regarding the incident that you seem to want to ignore/avoid.
Ah ok, well in that case I'll withdraw the idiot comment. What were the questions?
Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.
seen as the ones having scorn poured on them are wannabe Big Issue selling, fire risk tracksuit wearing scum you'd have to be pretty sensitive not to piss yourself laughing at any comments they might make on anyone else's sartorial choices.
Ewan -- up the page a bit now-- regarding the damage done etc, you found an object?-- as you can tell, unless you catch the barstewards in the act, or have other cast iron means its very difficult to identify who does this, i think that's my intial point,made very early on, and as you can see its developed into a whole new thread...have you had a quote etc for replacement/labour-- i do this work, so have an insight 😉
wannabe Big Issue selling, fire risk tracksuit wearing scum
DezB - again, it's just about anti-social behaviour right? No prejudice here.
I'm just acting Chavs to stop being d**cks
The point is that many of the people you and many others dismiss as chavs being dicks are actually doing nothing wrong, apart from not living up to your fashion standards, and being from poor backgrounds of course.
Ewan -- up the page a bit now-- regarding the damage done etc, you found an object?-- as you can tell, unless you catch the barstewards in the act, or have other cast iron means its very difficult to identify who does this, i think that's my intial point,made very early on, and as you can see its developed into a whole new thread...have you had a quote etc for replacement/labour-- i do this work, so have an insight
Damage done was two 6 ft tall toughened glass panels on the porch sliding doors - both the inner panes were ok. Object was a stone, not sure which as I have a gravel drive.
No idea who did it, 12:45am the neighbour head 'drunken youths' outside mucking around, followed by a "Quick Run!". I would guess they were either walking home from the station nearby drunk or from the pub down the road drunk.
Getting a quote this afternoon.
..and anti-social behavior doesn't develop/reinforce those prejudices?
Behave this way, be treated this way. Aspire to be someone who behaves this way (wears the costume, adopts the stupid accent), expect to be treated this way.
Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.
The point is that many of the people you and many others dismiss as chavs being dicks are actually doing nothing wrong, apart from not living up to your fashion standards, and being from poor backgrounds of course.
That's a bit presumptuous, isn't it?
[i]DezB - again, it's just about anti-social behaviour right? No prejudice here[/i]
You can quote a whole bunch of people who I don't know as much as you like. Maybe they are just winding you and that PC berk up?
Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.
Good Heavens.
Ewan-- unless you have giant gravel, that would not break a double glazed unit, two 6 ft doors -- not going to get much change out of £200 i would reckon-- sorry.
Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.
I'm fairly sure that vandalising someone's windows is a scummy thing to do, but I hadn't realised that there is a dress code. Could you provide us with a description?
actually doing nothing wrong,
Wasting resources
being from poor backgrounds
I never said they were from poor backgrounds - but their children probably will be though
not living up to your fashion standards
I'm not complaining about them being scruffy - but I have to say the chavs have by far and away the least stylish uniform of any group of the self disenfranchised.
I'm fairly sure that vandalising someone's windows is a scummy thing to do, but I hadn't realised that there is a dress code. Could you provide us with a description?
did you even bother reading the posts before rising to the bait? or was your auto-offense taking sense just so highly tuned that you took the offense without having know what about?
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did you even bother reading the posts before rising to the bait? or was your auto-offense taking sense just so highly tuned that you took the offense without having know what about?
You're making the incorrect assumption that I've taken offense. I'm simply asking for information - could you help?
seemed a legit question to me, one a few of us have made, so far there has been no answer.....
only indignation from the shires....
seemed a legit question to me, one a few of us have made, so far there has been no answer.....only indignation from the shires....
That's a very TJ or Fred style response. Interesting.
Oh dear god please make them stop!
How do you manage to find things to get offended about when you can't even use Google?
If any aspect of this causes offense dear readers, please forgive me, but I'm just not used to thinking down to some people's level
first, type www.google.com in that little box near the top of the screen. With me so far? Good. It might take a few goes, but I'm sure someone will help if you ask nicely. Remember to press the enter key - again, ask for help if you need it, there should be an adult around someplace.
In the box near the middle of the screen, next to where it says Google, type chav
Click on the word Images up near the top of the screen.
Lookit all the lovely boys and girls - notice any features that seem to appear a lot? Maybe not, so here's some clues - baseball caps, tracksuits and burberry. Also note the moronic hand gestures, extra clue for the clueless.
Standard chav uniform
finally as at least one of you seems to have basic literacy issues, here's some pictures
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EDIT - I bet that one in yellow is about to launch that cat through someone's window
[quote=rudebwoy].....your political stance on a number of issues does give rise to a 'social attitude'
[quote=nealglover]Would you like to be more specific ?
Rudebwoy, I was wondering which issues I had made a "Political Stance" on ?
You decided that I had, and judged me on it.
But ignored me when I asked you for more info ?
Are chavs an effnik minority now? Like gypos and pikeys?
It was probably pikeys. I ****ing hate pikeys.
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[i]EDIT - I bet that one in yellow is about to launch that cat through someone's window[/i]
Reminds me of the lad that tried to steal my neighbour's bull terrier a few years back. We looked after it when it ran away and he came round saying "I fink ya'v got me dog".
Obviously he wasn't a chav. Just an unfortunate fellow too poor to buy his own dog.
I lied. He was a scummy chav scumbag.
Ewan-- unless you have giant gravel, that would not break a double glazed unit, two 6 ft doors -- not going to get much change out of £200 i would reckon-- sorry.
Yeah expect min 200 quid. Def gravel that did it. Nothing else to hand. I guess it depends how hard you hit it? The only other thing could be an air pistol? But no evidence of that.
takes a bit of force to break a dg window- hammers sometimes dont- but the windows were broke by person/s unknown-- that is shit--FWIW it is unlikely to happen again,unless it is targeted, which sounds unlikely, unless there is something you haven't told us 😉
nealglover, i have read your posts on a number of issues, like you have of mine maybe, there is a consistency, which is good, shows a sound mind,but i don't think it fair on everyone else to go through word for word, as is your want, like a twisted ethnomethodologist. Maybe pm is the way , if you have no objections,my email is in profile-- no reason to hide.
Who was this Fred guy that keeps being used as some benchmark ? i see a few of us recent posters have attracted comparisions ....
Oh wow, BBSB, it just gets better.
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Definitely no snobbery going on here, no sir. Jesus christ. 😥
In the box near the middle of the screen, next to where it says Google, type chav
I asked you to describe the appearance of someone you would call "scum". You responded by posting pictures of people you describe as "chavs".
Are the two words synonyms?
(Synonyms are words with the same meaning. Just in case you're having difficulty).
Once we've cleared that up, we can move on to establishing a causal relationship between appearance, and propensity to break windows.
It might be a long process this, trying to drag some sense out of nonsense..pob llwc
jeeso you really are hard of thinking aren't you?
I'll give it one last go, then I'm off - i've got better things to do than try explaining things to politically correct wind up toys, but thanks for the entertainment this afternoon, almost as funny as watching some burberry clad clown being savaged b a staffie.
chavs are subsets of scum. scum are supersets of chav. scum includes, but is not limited to, chavs.
hope that clears it up for you.
grum - MemberOh wow, BBSB, it just gets better.
doesn't it? it's been keeping me entertained
Nothing like a mind set against itself is there BBSB ?
You sound like your blood pressure is high, for your own health ease up man .
BigButSlimmerBloke - Memberchavs are subsets of scum. scum are supersets of chav. scum includes, but is not limited to, chavs. hope that clears it up for you.
Well it pretty much clears it up nicely for me thanks. But just so that I can get a complete picture ....... how would you describe yourself ?
the description is in the name....was fat now slim..
chavs are subsets of scum. scum are supersets of chav. scum includes, but is not limited to, chavs.
hope that clears it up for you.
Interesting. So if people who break windows are scum, and chavs are scum, you'd say that the wearing of a burberry cap equals a fondness for vandalism, then?
On the subject of appearances. If a burberry cap = broken window, does a BBSB = broken mirror? We need photos.
You sound like your blood pressure is high, for your own health ease up man .
He claims to find us all entertaining, yet does seem rather wound up, doesn't he?
its a common feature, without the means to think laterally it all goes vertical, and in the end something has to blow--
