I like that suggestion, no (obvious) prejudice implied so to speak....can i also refer to them as 'you people' if i have to address them face to face?....although trying to understand what they are saying is quite tricky as most of the time it appears they are performing a very bad Ali-G impersonation.
Now all we need is a (final) solution for what to do with these people.
Bring back hanging I say. Chav's need to be controlled and crushed from uprising against us. Get the military onto the streets to control these buffoons.
Failing that, get window mended, ignore the tools on here and put it all down to experience.
so the militant ignoramuses have to use language as they see fit, the rest of us have to accept prejudice and snobbery as part of life, and the tory conference cheers in the background.
Middle class reserve right to sneer......
Right. Just to recap. On a thread about some poor guy getting his windows smashed by [s]chavs[/s] [s]pikeys[/s] [s]middle class Chinese women with Prada handbags[/s] persons unknown, we have covered:
Social housing
Demonisation of the youth
Apple products (cheers Mike)
STW'ers ring each other to talk about this shit
Using [b]bold[/b] and CAPITALS really nails home your point
Words can mean different things to different people, and this makes different people angry
Class warfare is alive and well, both real and perceived, and healthily flowing in both directions
Disagreeing with someone automatically puts you diametrically opposite to there moral and political standpoint.
There is no middle ground.
Edit:
Just needed your input now Jamie and that will complete it .......
I would love to oblige, but that isn't really something covered in the thread, is it? If I was doing a list of STW forum tropes, then you would be bang on.
Just needed your input now Jamie and that will complete it .......
Just read all 3 pages.
Feel I've had the life sucked out of me.
Feel I've had the life sucked out of me.A BJ first thing, how lucky .
MIKE CONNER And considering the Op did not actually see the people who smashed his windows, I'd guess that he is not using the term 'chav' to describe the way they looked. He appears to be assuming they were members of a particular social group.
Oh for Pete's sake. He's calling them chavs because they broke his window. The person who broke the window is a chav because he broke the window. Not for any other reason.
Or are you trolling?
Young people in this country are massively demonised, especially those that wear tracksuits and don't talk proper. If people weren't all so scared/prejudiced they might find some of them are actually nice folk.
If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.
Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.
And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows? (teeters on brink of invoking Godwins)
And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows? (teeters on brink of invoking Godwins)
Kristallnacht?
/thread
And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows?
Upper class toffs like these ? ?
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[url= http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/bullingdon-club-causes-damage-at-hartwell-house-1-1074449 ]Bullingdon Club causes damage at Hartwell House[/url]
[i]"....the night began to get out of hand when a glass was thrown through a window"[/i]
informative this type of thread, what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.
So one small 'word' can be very significant, depending on context, as ever.
informative this type of thread, what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.
And a touch of bigotry on both sides.
If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.
Wow. Well I suppose at least you're upfront about your prejudice, unlike some in this thread. 😕
what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.
So it's okay for whole sectors of the population to be against education, social advancement, and generally respecting the rule of law and not call them on it?
I wanted to have some fun on this thread, but it was
[b]Closed[/b] when I got here.
Which sectors of the population would this be? Poor people?
Chavs?
Honestly, I think it's the people who don't know what chavs are who object to the term. It simply must be.
Anyone who doesn't dress well enough and has a too strong regional accent apparently.
I know full well 'what chavs are' and there's really no denying its a term used to denigrate large swathes of society, many of whom have done nothing wrong. There's pretty clear evidence of that in this thread alone.
I regularly work with lots of young people who many on here would snootily dismiss as scummy chavs, and many of them are fundamentally nice, funny people, who often come from poor/difficult backgrounds and perhaps were never taught the same social conventions we were. Yes sometimes they can do my head in but the middle-class kids I work with can be at least as badly behaved, in different ways.
I know full well 'what chavs are' and there's really no denying its a term used to denigrate large swathes of society, many of whom have done nothing wrong.
But the specific people we're talking about on this thread did do something wrong! They broke my windows 😡
it just keeps giving, in my life most things have layers of complexity, shades and nuances-- how sweet to be an idiot it must be sometimes
[i]how sweet to be an idiot it must be sometimes[/i]
Personally, I love it.
But the specific people we're talking about on this thread did do something wrong! They broke my windows
You aren't talking about specific people though because you don't know who did it.
My middle-aged ex-next door neighbour (when I lived at my mum's) who lives in a 17th century banqueting hall once deliberately smashed a car headlight, then spread the glass out in the car park, and tried to blame my brother after various disputes over parking. It only came to light because another neighbour saw it happen. She was about as far from a chav as you can imagine.
Round here lots of car mirrors get smashed. The perpetrators are almost always students.
EWan- but who broke your windows? you don't know i take it, it could have been some youths who are not in employment,it could have been some bullingdon style folk, it could have been a random nutter, without seeing the impact/damage- DG does break due to stress occasionally, it could have been any number of scenarios, but you chose to use a derogatory label for certain sector of society-- and the result has been far more enlightening than a broken window....
She was about as far from a chav as you can imagine.
Sounds more like one of those Bullingdon Club pillocks.
[i]and the result has been far more enlightening than a broken window....[/i]
For who?
Lol at this thread.
Chucking stones at windows is a fairly chavvy thing to do, ergo those who did it are chavs. Clear?
Some horrible c**t has smashed my windows would have been a much less contentious title 🙄
You aren't talking about specific people
Just beacause he doesn't know who they are doesn't mean that the act wasn't perpetrated by certain individuals. And he can call them what he likes - especially if it's derogatory.
As nobody will identify as being a chav when questioned then the word isn't specifically offensive to anybody. If any chavs want to lodge a complaint, they can go seek legal advice, although the best advice is to burn your tracksuit.
But far more offensive.
Lol at this thread.Chucking stones at windows is a fairly chavvy thing to do, ergo those who did it are chavs. Clear?
So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs? As we've established it's not just people that wear bad tracksuits that smash windows.
Wasn't a stone from the gardener doing your mowing was it ?
look its ok to be ignorant, just don't expect it to go unchallenged
So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?
Sure, why not, so long as they didn't like it.
So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?
Yes.
I think Mark Twain had something had very relevant to say about this thread and arguments....
Sure, why not, so long as they didn't like it.
You wouldn't though would you, that's my point. Chavs is a term reserved specifically for a 'certain type' and wouldn't get applied to middle-class students, however they behave.
So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?
Yes.
I think you're being disingenuous now. I bet you wouldn't.
look its ok to be ignorant, just don't expect it to go unchallenged
This is what created Chavs in the first place.
I think Mark Twain had something had very relevant to say about this thread and arguments....
Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots. 🙄
oliverd1981-- a birth date maybe ?
shouldn't you be in birmingham, with a little flag ?
[i]Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots[/i]
At least he's being subtle.
Ewan-- you haven't been rowing with youths or people recently near your house ?
No...A charva on Special Brew boinked a charvess on MD20/20 and a little baby charva was created. Possibly with a little ignorance on their part regarding birth control.
Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots.
Thanks. I thought it was more polite than the way I was called ignorant.
Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiotsAt least he's being subtle.
It's funny how upset people get when they have their prejudices challenged. Pretty sad though that so many are walking around full of fear and hatred for large sectors of society, largely because of the way they dress and talk.
By far the most anti social behaviour I see round here is from middle-class students, yet they are never demonised like 'chavs' are. I wonder why?
Again, try reading this.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chavs-Demonization-Working-Owen-Jones/dp/1844678644
You might not agree with it but I guarantee it will make you think.
I meant rudebwoy. No-one's upset.
[i]because of the way they [s]dress and talk.[/s] behave[/i]
FTFY
