[Closed] Charlottesville

Do you accept that Nazism is inherently about mass murder/genocide or not? a simple yes or no will do.

He won't answer y/n questions.

It would mean he'd having to admit things he'd rather not - doesn't make any difference either way.....he's a horrid little troll whose best ignored.

He'd rather deal in whataboutery & deflection.....classic troll tactics!

Hello ninfan.

I am assuming that you haven't read any of the rebuttals to your straw men from before your return to the discussion, so i'll precis mine for you.

You, Trump and others like you are Nazi apologists who would be active supporters given the opportunity ie: you're a Nazi.

An entire generation from most of the other countries in the world went to deadly war to "punch Nazis in the face". It worked and the world was better for it.

Or would you rather the German Nazis had won?

Perhaps to the advantage of your job prospects.

who's (sorry) best ignored

Now there's a challenge.....deal or no deal, what does the banker reckon?

ninfan - Member

OMG! Guns! wild, violent gun toting nutters, presumably carrying thousands of bullets in their quick-change assault rifle magazines!

How many people got shot? Hundreds presumably?

Over 40,000 actually, in the US in 2015.

Cam we go back to the poster who suggested that Steve Earle used the confederate flag in some way? Do you have any evidence of that? Saw him live a while back and he said that on occasion people arrive at his gigs with them and expect him to be ok with it which he very much isnt. He said it mostly seems to occur in europe where people dont understand what it means.

Edited...it was inkster

There's only one group condoning violence round here

You literally said you [b]run someone over in a car[/b] for [i]suggesting[/i] you should be punched.

You have likewise have excused the actions of the guy driving his car at speed into a crowd.

How is that [i]not[/i] condoning violence?

Either way, whichever side can best explain whether the jumbo jet/treadmill thing actually works gets my vote...*

(* two points: I teach science so I'm alright with this in truth, and those on here that know me personally will know I have a, er, fairly 'antifacist' past...)

Methinks our little resident Adolph Hipster may start to understand himself a little better after this thread..

C'mon ninfan.. put away your angsty teenage rock records, admit your mistakes and hug it out bro..
There's no shame in being wrong.
Life is a learning experience.

Just let it all out little fella, let it all out.
You'll feel better afterwards I promise.
It's time to be a grown-up now son

CaptainFlashheart

Me
I don't care if you're white, black, or even blue, carrying a gun signals one thing, that you are prepared to kill someone.

Bullshit.

Please explain why you need to carry an assault rifle in 2017 America?

(Guns were written into the constitution when they were required for protection, mainly from wild animals and native americans (whom is was ok to shoot back then....))

perhaps you would like to carry out the following test:

1) Go on ebay, buy a "fake" assualt rifle.

2) drive into any major city centre in any european town, get out, get the gun out the boot, wave it around a bit shouting "don't worry, i'm not going to shoot anyone.

Try that. I give you 5 mins before you're in a body bag. If you can't understand why, then that's your issue i'm afraid.

Please explain why you need to carry an assault rifle in 2017 America?

No one needs to, and no one should be able to. American gun culture is repulsive.

However, your original post (edited? )to which I responded was that carrying a gun (any gun) meant someone was prepared to kill someone and didn't deserve to be treated as a human. I disagree with that, as would the many thousands of people who shoot in the UK. I often carry a gun, but trust me, I am no way prepared to kill anyone! Also, my pot roasted pheasant would surely grant me at least some respect!

I agree in full with your point about assault rifles. I've often mentioned my dislike of Americans and guns! Sorry if my call of bullshit was taken wrongly.

yunki - Member

Methinks our little resident Adolph Hipster may start to understand himself a little better after this thread..

C'mon ninfan.. put away your angsty teenage rock records, admit your mistakes and hug it out bro..
There's no shame in being wrong.
Life is a learning experience.

Just let it all out little fella, let it all out.
You'll feel better afterwards I promise.
It's time to be a grown-up now son

I honestly think he needs a little love, whether or not he'll admit to this is a different matter.

#hugs4ninfan

[quote=CaptainFlashheart ]I agree in full with your point about assault rifles. I've often mentioned my dislike of Americans and guns! Sorry if my call of bullshit was taken wrongly.

Fair enough - thanks for the clarification, and I can understand your reaction, but I think you were misinterpreting the context of what you were replying to. The implication was somebody carrying an assault rifle down the street (at least that's what I took from it), not a shotgun for shooting animals (or any form of gun used for competition purposes). It sounds like you're in agreement with the point which I think was intended to be made.

Respect for the clarification Cpt

CaptainFlashheart

No one needs to, and no one should be able to. American gun culture is repulsive.

However, your original post to which I responded was that carrying a gun (any gun) meant someone was prepared to kill someone and didn't deserve to be treated as a human. I disagree with that, as would the many thousands of people who shoot in the UK. I often carry a gun, but trust me, I am no way prepared to kill anyone! Also, my pot roasted pheasant would surely grant me at least some respect!

I agree in full with your point about assault rifles. I've often mentioned my dislike of Americans and guns! Sorry if my call of bullshit was taken wrongl

Thanks for the considered response 😆

i think we are in agreement. Perhaps i should have be clearer, although i thought the picture spelled it out, i am not against owning a gun, or carrying a gun, where that gun provides a sensible use to the carrier.

(Just like we can't ban cars because a nutter uses one to murder someone)

In the civilized world, there are still some requirements for civilians to carry guns in there day to day business. Be that for there job (games keeper, farmer etc) or just for fun (target shooter etc). but in all those cases, they would not expect to carry that gun, in plain sight, in a public area. In Europe, doing that is illegal and will get you at the least arrested and at the worst shot dead yourself by a firearms team (especially these days in light of recent events).

In fact, as you are aware, the law in our country is quite clear on when, where and how you are able to carry a firearm, and the type of firearm. Break those laws and you'll loose the right to carry arms.

In the US however, it seems that you can carry an assault rifle, not just into a public place, but also to a public rally, open to all. Why would you need to do that? The only reason to take a gun to a public rally is to shoot the people there you don't like, for what ever mad political, social or frankly, insane, reason you see fit. That is, IMO, the morally wrong bit.

maxtorque - Member
Please explain why you need to carry an assault rifle in 2017 America?

Everyone in Murica can carry assault rifles, it's the 2nd amendment.

It is within their rights to bear arms. Silly goose. 😆

Both sides bear arms in various forms so what's the big deal? I would be fully loaded if I were in Murica. 😛

If they are happy to use it against each others then that's their choice. If one side wants to prosecute the other side, because one side has bigger guns than the other, then go to the court. It's Not a "cowboy" town you know. 😆

Everyone in Murica can carry assault rifles, it's the 2nd amendment. It is within their rights bear arms. Silly goose.

They CAN but he asked why they NEED to.

molgrips - Member

Everyone in Murica can carry assault rifles, it's the 2nd amendment. It is within their rights bear arms. Silly goose.

They CAN but he asked why they NEED to.

If they are happy to use it against each others then that's their choice.

****'s sake.

It's legal in the 'states you smash your testicles repeatedly with a lump hammer but I don't see too many folk exercising that constitooshunal right...

Openly carrying a f**ckig assault rifle down the street is not to dissuade jihadis from bombing anyone or to protect themselves, it's purely designed to be antagonistic.

Drac - Moderator

If they are happy to use it against each others then that's their choice.

****'s sake.

However, people are also allowed to protect themselves using arms from assailant(s) etc or someone who want to do grievous bodily harm on them.

😛

mcj78 - Member
It's legal in the 'states you smash your testicles repeatedly with a lump hammer but I don't see too many folk exercising that constitooshunal right...

Openly carrying a f**ckig assault rifle down the street is not to dissuade jihadis from bombing anyone or to protect themselves, it's purely designed to be antagonistic.

Everyone in Murica can carry assault rifles, it's the 2nd amendment.

It's Not a "cowboy" town you know

I think the arguments go something like this:

- Right to bear arms enshrined in the Constitution
- They are exercising that right. If they cannot exercise that right, then clearly they no longer have the right to bear arms
- In the act of exercising the right, they are defending the Constitution and preventing it being undermined and chipped away by government/politicians
- Attempts by previous US Presidents and other politicians to impose restrictions on military style semi-automatic rifles in the wake of various massacres using those types of weapon, have made the right to bear precisely those types of weapons a touchstone for those for whom the right to bear arms is so important.

Looks like coach THM has subbed ninfan for chewkw in the last 10 minutes of this game! 😆 A bold move!

An entire generation from most of the other countries in the world went to deadly war to "punch Nazis in the face". It worked and the world was better for it.

An entire generation from most of the other countries in the world went to deadly war to punch communists in he face, it worked and the world was better for it... but for some reason the lefties still think it's admirable to worship communist idols and march around with flags telling us that it's the future

ninfan

Nazi's are genocidal mass murders, yes or no?

Coach must have just sin binned him for a bit! 😆

the lefties still think it's admirable to worship communist idols and march around with flags telling us that it's the future

What lefties?
Where?
And what does that have to do with anything?

Nazi's are genocidal mass murders, yes or no?

Some are

Some believe in the superiority of the master race, but seek that outcome through non-murderous means

Same as Communists (who have killed [b]way[/b] more people than Nazis) aren't all genocidal mass murderers, even though the nation states that they formed used it as a central tenet of their creation

That is their identity, culture and their tradition

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Sure is

dissonance - Member

Everyone in Murica can carry assault rifles, it's the 2nd amendment.

Everyone? Without exception eg peeps with criminal records and so on?

I grant you this. However probably not for the reason you wrote it.
The "cowboy" towns tended to have fairly strict gun laws eg hand your weapon in to the local sheriff and get it back when you leave town.
For some reason they didnt like everyone bimbling about with firearms especially when popping to the pub.

Same as Communists (who have killed way more people than Nazis) aren't all genocidal mass murderers

I don't think anyone is disputing this.

ninfan - Member
Nazi's are genocidal mass murders, yes or no?
Some are

Some believe in the superiority of the master race, but seek that outcome through non-murderous means

Master race... The clue is there. So what happen to the non master race?

Communism doesn't work and yes is responsible for lots of attrocities, well done you. Now can you get over that utterly irrelevant point, and continue explaining your support for Nazis? I don't think you've quite finished.

ninfan - Member

An entire generation from most of the other countries in the world went to deadly war to punch communists in he face, it worked and the world was better for it... but for some reason the lefties still think it's admirable to worship communist idols and march around with flags telling us that it's the future

Communists aren't part of this discussion, why keep mentioning them?
Why not answer the questions put to you?
Was it nice not having to share your lunch?

chewkw a while ago you asked if you were needed here, we said no. Thats still the case

I don't think anyone is disputing this

Correct.

Ninfan is just continuing his attempts to defend his fellow Nazis by pointing at other things, as if to say - "That, and so therefore this is OK".

He has no actual argument beyond repeatedly pooing his mental nappy.

seosamh77 - Member
Looks like coach THM has subbed ninfan for chewkw in the last 10 minutes of this game! A bold move!

The thread was getting very predictable so I got bored hence I left until someone started talking about arms which got me excited ... 😆

anagallis_arvensis - Member
chewkw a while ago you asked if you were needed here, we said no. Thats still the case

ninfan - Member

Some believe in the superiority of the master race, but seek that outcome through non-murderous means

How would you create the "master race" using peaceful means?

Ok.. reading between the lines ninfan, this is your admission of guilt.

You started off not liking left wing economics and being a bit wary of Muslims, then you got a teensy bit caught up in the whole left vs right thing and before you knew what was happening you're a Nazi sympathiser..

That's ok man... it's easily done

Well done for working through it all with us on here.

You'll still fall into the old habits occasionally cos let's face it, arguing on here is fun.. Just try to remember that there is no left and right, apart from in your head..

We're all groups of very complex and unique individuals and everyone is beautiful in their own way..

Even you

In the act of exercising the right, they are defending the Constitution and preventing it being undermined and chipped away by government/politicians

Though as pointed out earlier, the folks that some of those guns are defending are pretty keen on chipping away other parts of the constitution and declaration of independence, particularly the bits about equality.

non murderous, ie kick everyone out.

but for some reason the lefties still think it's admirable to worship communist idols and march around with flags telling us that it's the future

By the way still waiting for you to provide credible sources about your claim about the murderer was actually fleeing.

[quote=ninfan ]a load of whatboutery

fixed

Speaking of pinko commies does America need a new McCarthyism type thing? Searching out all the neo Nazis etc?

Also, relatively recently authorities found a vintage German Nazi and put him to trial, should America be doing that with the KKK?

You only have to look at the attitude of the Nazis from Charlottesville, the guy at the end of the vice video saying "the fact that none of our people killed anyone unjustly" was a positive (that's a direct quote). The daily stormer calling a woman one of their own had murdered some truly despicable things. Why?

[b]Because Nazis murder their enemies[/b]

They think killing people for no other reason than they disagree with you is OK, and given that billions of people disagree with them, I'd suggest the logical conclusion of their argument is more than a bit mass-murdery, wouldn't you, ninfan?

They think killing people for no other reason than they disagree with you is OK

Imagine, people espousing physical violence against people they disagree with... the horror.