Holy shit .......that's our future right there ....
Doesn't bode well
Different world...........scary
Watched it last night with my mouth open 😯
MrsMCTD works in child protection - my reaction to such programmes makes her giggle at me.... 😕
Point and laugh isn't it. Tell me how any of these kids growing up in this environment are expected to grow up as responsible adults?
That old bird is 36! I thought she was nearer 50. Best advert for keeping off MASSIVE drugs evah.
Oh dear, were ****ed
My girlfriend decided to do youth work and now manages an area. Very proud of her. Selfless job.
Not sure if I misheard, but it sounded like that couple with five kids were claiming £1600 per month child benefit, over and beyond housing benefit, JSA... I don't mind admitting my jaw was literally wide open.
Let's blame all these people for the recession.
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Search google for 'meth before and after'. Really scary stuff!
£4 left, massive tv and an x box
Bet they paid full price at currys for both of them 😉
Feeding chocolate to the dog - Clever.
Not seen it - does it involve pointing at scummers and laughing/frothing about how awful they are?
grum - MemberNot seen it - does it involve pointing at scummers and laughing/frothing about how awful they are?
Something like that!
Search google for 'meth before and after'. Really scary stuff!
Even worse, google image search krokodil and add a limb. E.g krokodil leg
Even worse, google image search krokodil and add a limb. E.g krokodil leg
Horrible. That's an image that's going to stay with me for some time.
No doubt this will descend into the usual nastiness without an ounce of compassion. 😐
It's all pretty sad, we need to give these people the opportunity to contribute to society.... Need to start when they're kids though.
Tory propaganda. If it isn't, it might as well be.
Ken, Made In Chelsea makes me bloody sick.
"Skint" my arse, entitled spongers! booo.'
Edit: Wrong end of what poor stick?
Not worth the air they breathe IMO.
This is the result of previous governments' (note the plural) lack of support to heavy industries such as steel, shipbuilding and mining in the UK, and little or no investment in industries to replace the lost jobs.
As the Channel 4 website states: [i]"At its height S****horpe's steelworks employed 27,000 people. It now employs a sixth of that number."[/i]
I wonder whether the same programme could have been made if the steel works still employed 20+ thousand people???
Lets point and laugh at all the sponging "scum".
I can relate to that mindset, but usually when watching BBC Parliament.
There was nowt funny. Except the way that they all spoke as if their sinuses were blocked.
mudshark - Member
It's all pretty sad, we need to give these people the opportunity to contribute to society.... Need to start when they're kids though.
Most of then were still kids though
I grew up on that estate , it's not half as bad as that program makes it out to be. There are a lot of good people who live in that area.
Think evey town, every city will have it's underclass which if film for 7 months a tv crew could pick out 3 hours of shock tv filler.
It's a modern day freak show, rich people showing middle class people that its all poor people's fault.
You'll love this sideshowdave.
Is this not the parents fault? reason i say this is because if i heard or saw my children acting like that i would soon be issuing a stern clip around the ear...
And also the government! because you cant blame people really as the government have no incentive for young people to work.... basically as it was said in the program if they have kids then the welfare system will pick up the pieces..
its gets to me though as a tax payer myself
Marvelling at the '****less dregs of society' is nothing new.
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Watched it last night, and TBH they don't help themselves but half the time people like that are just trapped, I've got friends with a kid ( or two) and you can't work if your on your own with a kid. No one to look after it, and no one will give you a job anyway.
Feel sorry for them
its gets to me though as a tax payer myself
As a tax payer supporting private companies by subsidising millions of people's wages through working tax credits annoys me more than a few 10's of thousands of underclass benefits claimants.
Thekingisdead + 1
Also, a heck of a lot of the attitudes displayed on the program are down to realising from an early age that there is NOTHING for you. I teach kids who come into secondary with that mindset and it is down to the decline of heavy industry, which was (probably) inevitable, and the abandonment of the poor by a sucession of Governments, which was also inevitable.
Indeed. Noting that Amazon (that makes how much profit a year?) receives more in government grants than it pays in corporation tax would be a more suitable target for your anger, as a taxpayer.
Rather than railing against '****less scum' which seems to be all that present government policy consists of, we might do better as a society if we tried to look for solutions instead. Places and people like that exist as they have effectively been abandoned by the state, to their fate. For decades of de-industialisation. What did they think would happen? That the former steelworkers would all nip back to college and re-train themselves as web developers? Then all set up their own businesses?
One of the things that stood out last night was the woeful level of education in the young people. They were essentially unemployable. Should we try and rectify that? I feel sure that its right at the top of Michael Goves to-do list
+2 thekingisdead
+1 Phunkmaster, propaganda indeed, anti benefits programming is Everywhere at the moment (because they want shut of it) then what will everyone do in our Failing society when there's Nothing to fall back on?
Oh and BTW people, your income tax does Not pay for the upkeep of these people, income tax pays only for the debt of war.
Taxes from fuel, cigs, food, alcohol and everything else pays for the benefits system, everyone (even them) pay back into that!
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One of the things that stood out last night was the woeful level of education in the young people. They were essentially unemployable. Should we try and rectify that? I feel sure that its right at the top of Michael Goves to-do list
Sadly, probably not. Unless not reading some Shakespeare or knowing how to use a semi-colon are high on the list of things causing their problems?
Big tv and an Xbox? If it'd been a duck house and a new Paddock, or a second home, or a chauffeur driven car on expenses it'd be more acceptable?
The real scum are the people with large salaries and pensions paid for by the taxpayer who work and twist the system while large swathes of community's are abandoned to a life of pointlessness, unemployment and low education.
And it's only going to get worse.. And worse.. And worse..
To all those who mention big TV and X-Box, could have come from those soul-sucking gits 'brighthouse' who do a weekly payment scheme with very high interest rates.
Sort of a legalised loan shark.
+1 Khani
I watched last night and came away from that feeling sad and appalled in equal measure.
I also thought afterwards, about what the actual point of such a programme was? Was it to hightlight the plight of the forgotten unskilled people? Was it help those who were in that situation or was it just a titilating programme designed for those more fortunate than the people featured to feel good about themselves whilst pointing and laughing.
If thats entertainment then Im Hilary Clinton.
To take something positive from last nights programme, it would appear that to counter what most of us experience in our late 30's - putting on a few pounds around the middle - crack cocaine would appear to offer the perfect solution 😯
Twas heroin, was it not?
Shame on Channel 4, it was billed as a documentary, but it was really just cheap 'reality' TV.
The bit where the lad was 'woken up' telling his mum to 'f*** off'...how many times to they think they rehearsed that? There was a camera crew in his bedroom FFS, is it likely he was really asleep?
I dunno if they were trying to make a political point, I think it's just lazy program making.
+1 lodious
Poverty porn. Along with all those programs about the overweight. Somehow the Daily Mail appears to have won 🙁
teethgrinder - MemberTwas heroin, was it not?
I believe it to have been crystal meth. The skinny one was seen toking on a nice crackpipe at one point during the programme.
nobody apoplectic with rage yet then?
After all that Valium, I'm quite relieved he never got that cig lit in the tent!
I watched it tonight. I think everyone should have watched it but especially politicians and CEOs.
The only rage I have is aimed at those who are responsible for the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry that ultimately got shipped out to the rest of the world.
Those poor people, including their children, are living a life without hope. Actually it's not a life, more a miserable bloody existence.
Very sad. 🙁
I really feel for Keiran. A few years ago I wasn't a million miles away from him - had to look away a few times as I saw myself in him. Fair play to the MMA fella too. Can't stand swearing in front of kids though. Very sad.
Also, I swear there must be a factory somewhere pumping out clones of Dean (the Alpha bloater) as he looks like every bloke I've ever had aggro with on the bike.
What tyres for watermelon skins?
CG individuals, politicians or CEOs aren't directly responsible, they may have hastened UK decline but the underlying cause has been the march of technology either in transportation of goods or automation of production, which has allowed production to move away from consumption and reduce the need for the same number of people. There's not much that can be done about it really.
Can't see the jobs ever coming back for people like those in skint.
stumpyjon - if companies such as Amazon, Google et al stopped hiding behind fabricated accounting systems then their contribution could go towards helping manufacturing get back on its feet in the U.K.
If Mary Portas can get knickers manufactured in the U.K. then so can other companies. The skills are there.
Lack of accountability and personal responsibility are what's wrong with this country.
Prob get flamed for this but.........they all seem to drink more beer than I can afford ..and they don't look like they're starving .....just saying ..........some people I know work there heart out for less
singlecrack - Member
just saying
BLEURGH
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CG that's all sideshow stuff. Mary Portas had a tv program behind her, Amazon and Google paying taxes won't bring back low / no skill jobs (and much as people denigrate Amazon warehouse jobs they do require certain skills and the right attitude). The big question is what do we do with the people at the bottom, in fact that's always been the question since the industrial revolution.
The Mary Portas knickers were £10 a pair.Thats a very limited market in the UK.We could produce everyday goods in the UK but it needs huge investment.The private/public company economy demands profit,and quickly.
A TV programme concerning a cushion manufacturer showed that his Manchester based factory could produce within really closely price wise with his China factory.He expanded his Manchester factory but some of the new people employed obviously didn't want a job.
The people you see on programmes such as Skint are in their present state unemployable,and that is going to be hard task to reverse.
Dean and his family went to a caravan last night.
6 adults
11 kids
In one static caravan.
Fair play to him for not killing anyone on that holiday.
HTF can he afford it? I cant and there's only 3 of us!
singlecrack - Member"Lifer - Member
BLEURGH"
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Hate that dishonest phrase with a passion. You weren't 'just saying' you were broadcasting your opinion but don't want to be challenged on it. And it made me do a sick in my mouth.
The Mary Portas knickers were £10 a pair.Thats a very limited market in the UK.We could produce everyday goods in the UK but it needs huge investment.The private/public company economy demands profit,and quickly.
It isn't just about price though, maybe at the very bottom, but from the point of view of the manufacturer easier to maintain quality with a factory near by. It is easier to change designs, shipping is cheaper etc.
Just a matter of investment.
However, these can be crap jobs, and the detail that fruit pickers, for example, are usually foreigners because no brits want the jobs.... i don't think it is just about having the jobs, it is about having people who want to work, and by that i mean people excepting that not everyone is going to be a pop-star.
Is this a question of income inequality, expectations, fairness, etc. who knows. Is it simply laziness, unrealistic expectations, etc.
Lifer ...bit melodramatic but hey everyone is different..
The only rage I have is aimed at those who are responsible for the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry that ultimately got shipped out to the rest of the world.
We're all responsible. Increased affluence and higher living standards in the UK, with increased demand for consumer goods, led to the demand for higher and higher wages, which push up house prices etc etc. Granted,a lot more could have been done to preserve a lot more of British industry, but people want instant gratification; they aren't willing to 'put a bit by', it's all now now now. And foreign industries, with far lower labour costs, can supply goods a lot cheaper. Plus we no longer have an 'empire' from which to exploit cheap resources.
Boom, and inevitably, Bust.
They have no reason to get out of bed in the morning, one day will just be like any other and so their defeatist state of mind runs on auto-pilot. It's heartbreaking that they have nothing to look forward to and I guess it gets passed on to the children too.
This cycle has to be broken, everybody deserves a chance. Was so disappointed that the young lad who wanted to join the Army ended up not doing so, basically due to not working hard at school. His life could have been so different!
Thinking back to Mary Portas programme, some of those young adults did learn a skill and worked hard but some certainly didn't want to. Of course if their parents never worked then it makes it that much harder.
These people deserve better but it's an unfair Society that we live in. 😐
They have no reason to get out of bed in the morning
Nor me, I'm always first up though.
It's a chicken and egg thing. They're where they are because of what they are and they're what they are because of where they are. Or is it?
Because some people on the same street will be getting up and doing something with their lives. Some will go to the same schools and get results that allow them to do anything they want. However, some will always take the easy option especially when the easy option is handed to them on a plate.
Because some people on the same street will be getting up and doing something with their lives. Some will go to the same schools and get results that allow them to do anything they want. However, some will always take the easy option especially when the easy option is handed to them on a plate.
This exactly.
They have no reason to get out of bed in the morning, one day will just be like any other and so their defeatist state of mind runs on auto-pilot
sounds like everyday for those that work as well... just we get out of bed... rest is just a dull monotony though..
sorry only grumpy as first day back has not gone great
The only rage I have is aimed at those who are responsible for the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry that ultimately got shipped out to the rest of the world.
Whilst our politicians have a lot to answer for in not supporting our industry, thanks to Globalisation, low skill jobs just move to the lowest wage economy. E.g. my company makes everything in China, but designs and supports it all from Cambridge UK, so we create zero low wage UK jobs and only a small number of high paid jobs. This is part of a much larger trend and means that there just aren't UK jobs for large numbers of 'zero-skill' individuals.
I'm not sure there is a simple solution, but minimising the number of zero-skill individuals in the first place must be part of it.
I'm not sure there is a simple solution, but minimising the number of zero-skill individuals in the first place must be part of it.
also need to help with the movement of people, people migrated to areas with high levels of industrial employment (either by their own choice or due to external stimulus), but often difficult for people to leave that area if that industry declines or stops..
The only rage I have is aimed at those who are responsible for the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry that ultimately got shipped out to the rest of the world.
The Tata S****horpe steel work still produce about 3.3 million tons of liquid steel last year and employs around 5.5 thousand people in the area , with around a third being highly trained craftsmen (craft people) .
There is still heavy industry left in this country, but for how long is anyone's guess.
A truly horrible, unpalatable truth people in the UK have to face, is that this nation is now in economic decline. We are heading towards a situation where many of the things we've taken for granted, such as free/heavily subsidised higher education, genuinely affordable housing and a relatively high standard of living (even our poorest generally have access to free health care, adequate housing, electricity, clean water etc), will be become increasingly unavailable and accessible to increasing numbers of people.
In short, we've been spoiled for a bit to long, sat back and been far too complacent. Believing that we are 'entitled' to things most people on earth view as privileges.
It may well come to a time when British workers, like those from many other nations, are forced to seek employment abroad. This will be very difficult for many, as they may have to accept jobs beneath their 'level', a bit like how people trained as Doctors in Africa, India etc have to take menial cleaning jobs, become cab drivers etc. here. Thing is, the British aren't very good at being humble, and I think this will be a major stumbling block for many.
The Tata S****horpe steel work still produce about 3.3 million tons of liquid steel last year and employs around 5.5 thousand people in the area , with around a third being highly trained craftsmen (craft people) .
In March 2012 Tata Stocksbridge announced that it was looking for potential candidates to join its new apprenticeship scheme. The news made the front page of the local paper. The amount of apprenticeships available? Seventeen.
will be become increasingly unavailable and accessible to increasing numbers of people
I agree that overpopulation is one of the main threats to our society.
But when you consider that people like Richard Branson could alone pay the healthcare bill of an entire city, you start to wonder just how close we are to that line. And how much further away would that line seem if the super wealthy would stop not only hoarding so much of the nation’s wealth, but also seeking to profit further from the very problems caused by that hoarding.
Those in power today don’t want to help the situation. They want to profit from it. So they prolong it while telling us it’s our fault, hoping we’re stupid enough to believe it.
So far we have been. We scream with rage at benefit scroungers and the size of their TVs we assume our tax money paid for, while vital state assets similarly paid for by our tax money are being handed over to private pockets by the billion load for blatantly little return.
The scroungers costing our society the most don’t live on sink estates. They live in tax havens.
CG.....regards the lad not getting in the Army. Wasnt down to his grades, he just didnt turn up for the interview.
Broke my heart watching the ex/current drug addict, hard cycle to break made harder by obvious other background issues fueling the addiction. Wish more people would watch things like this instead of tarring all addicts as scum wasters etc.
A good series in my view.
I'm not sure there is a simple solution, but minimising the number of zero-skill individuals in the first place must be part of it.
Not PC, but some people are stupid, some aren't, not everyone can do every job. It is not about ambition, drive etc. It is also about ability and skill.
You can create a "knowledge economy" if you want, but what to do with those who aren't capable of getting a Phd in bioengineering etc. What do you do with those who once would have been sent down a mine, or to a shipyard, or cannon fodder on a battlefield?
Mrmo is unfortunately right, our society is leaving some people behind rather rapidly. It's something we need to deal with but it isn't going to be easy or pretty, for a start we will need to face up to a few basic truths, not everyone is equal or capable and pretending they are doesn't help them or society.
As for the elite, I think those assuming they've somehow engineered the current status quo rather over estimate their ability and massively underestimate the complexities of human society. They are quite happy to live in their comfortable bubbles and reap the rewards though.
Schooling is supposed to educate our children and equip them with qualifications and skills and hence not be left behind or have zero skills. The kids in this programme seemed to go to school but do not benefit. Why?
The kids in this programme seemed to go to school but do not benefit. Why?
I know the following is blunt,
as i said, some people are stupid, there will always be some who fall behind. You can try and teach kids anything, some will get it some won't, some will have an IQ of 130 some will get Phd's, others will struggle to read, some will have sporting ability some won't. Some will be become neuro-surgeons, some footballers, some will work in call centres.
So the question remains, what do you do with those who are stupid, you can only have so many people picking up litter, cleaning the streets etc.