My speedo flicked up to a touch more than the speed limit on the M1 on the way home last night which got me wondering...
If stopped and clearly bang to rights what is generally the best form of discussion.
1. I didn't notice? Surely that's got you bang on for due care and attention.
2. Yeah sorry, I wanted to get home and go for a bike ride.
Or another option?
I was overtaking safely?
3. moving with the general flow of the traffic
How much by? Might have to bend over and take it :s
4. Hey Officer, D'you party?
Yes, I'm sorry.
You could try driving at or below the speed limit. 😀
mikewsmith +1
Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir etc.
"I was trying to increase the distance between you and me as you were quite close"
Worked for me once (was true though). Suspected it was a copper but was dark & couldn't see him - followed me out of a service station and sat behind me. Tried 70, then low 60s and he just sat there so I gave it the beans and he pulled me over
Or else how about "you try driving slow when you're coked off your tits"
Is this a black thing?...
Not sure which excuse to use for best results but, if you get "done" when asked your date of birth, give the date it is that day with an appropriate year of course.
You might get let off as its your birthday!
"you must of been speeding to stay with me....... so I'm making a citizens arrest!"
No need to say anything. Just accept your 3 points with dignity and carry on as normal. You won't get nicked for another decade.
"I was trying to increase the distance between you and me as you were quite close"
See that's reverse logic. What you [i]shoud do[/i] if someone is too close is to decrease your speed until the gap becomes acceptable for the speed you are travelling......
just be honest and tell them, that's what I've done and managed to get away with it... Do you realise how fast you were going? erm.. yeah, probably about 115mph. Yes, well I've just clocked you at 112mph... here's a £60.00 ticket, be careful and remember the distance it takes to stop at that kind of speed 😯
See that's reverse logic. What you shoud do if someone is too close is to decrease your speed until the gap becomes acceptable for the speed you are travelling......
I don't know, oh master 🙁 what should I have done - evaporated ?Tried 70, then low 60s and he just sat there
One of the guys I worked with got pulled for doing 92 on the motorway yesterday (he is a serial speeder, no one will get in the car with him from here).
The cop told him that if he'd just been a few miles an hour slower then he would have fallen within the cop's discretion and he wouldn't have booked him since it was a perfect day with no traffic on the road.
Not sure how true that is, but the officer was apparently very apologetic.
Getting done for speeding on a quiet motorway is bonkers.
Got pulled myself years ago - let the needle pop over 80 a touch in front of a cop car. Did the "No excuses from me officer", took the lecture (delivered with a great deal of humour to be fair) and was sent on my way with a gentle ticking off.
Got stopped a few months later on the way back to Dallas by Texas State Troopers - a whole lot different experience; scared the bejeesus out of me - they polis things differently over there.
"I've just installed the new Strava motoring app..."
make a run for it, if they set the helicopter on you head for a big shopping center with a covered multistorey.
"Not sure how true that is, but the officer was apparently very apologetic."
and thats what wrong with this country.
Getting CAUGHT speeding on a quiet motorway is bonkers.... if your not paying enough attention to the road notice the VERY OBVIOUS old bill then you certainly should not be speeding.
Getting CAUGHT speeding on a quiet motorway is bonkers.... if your not paying enough attention to the road notice the VERY OBVIOUS old bill then you certainly should not be speeding.
I think it was an unmarked car that pulled him over. I've got a habit of scanning every plate behind me for "SF" though!
'Hello Sir. Do you know why I've stopped you?'
'To let me know that you've caught the bastards who broke into my house and nicked my telly?'
Otherwise, if you were going a bit quick, just acknowledge it - no need to grovel - that's your best chance of avoiding a ticket.
whats SF ?
I get round this problem by driving a van that barely does 80..... if it has a tailwind and a hill.
'SF' ?
Unmarked police cars in Strathclyde usually have registrations starting "SF".
If there's one behind you, it's a good idea not to speed!
Be honest and pleasant and if you know what speed you were doing it shows you were paying attention.
My Mother (70 at the time) got away with 50mph+ in a 30 zone with "but it chugs if I go any slower in 5th" 😕
"do you know why I've pulled you over?"
"because you can smell the decomposing flesh in my boot, or you've a uranium detector that's now gone haywire...? You are wearing a lead suit right?"
DrP
A mate of mine came out with "wouldn't it be better if you where out catching burglars" when stopped for speeding once, not a good move.
You could do what my friend tried a couple of weeks back when he got pulled.
He's a mechanic and still had his overalls on.
Plod asked why he was speeding. He comes out with "Oh! Sorry Officer this is a customers car and I'm trying to diagnose a misfire."
Plod sends him on his way but asks him to be sensible and keep it under "about 85" 😀
I got stopped once for 45 in a 30 (no excuses apart from I genuinly thought it was a 40 limit) - I was nice to the guy and he let me off with a producer 🙂
Unzip your Pvc catsuit to expose the cleft of you ample busom, then waft your curly blonde hair around in a Cannonball run / Smokey and the bandit style. 20% of the time it works every time.
Buxom blonde fitness instructor friend of mine...
"Sorry office, I didn't notice I was speeding. I was on the phone."
Worked for her.
I was stopped for overtaking an officer in a 30. Dual-lane with a merge into one.
He was annoyed. The conversation went 'whats the limit there'? 30. What were you doing? 40. Sorry Officer. Let me off 8)
Got stopped in February was doing well over 90.
I was honest with him said I was going too fast. He appreciated that told me to stick to 80 and let me get off on my way.
...SA - Scotland: Glasgow
SB - Scotland: Glasgow
SC - Scotland: Glasgow
SD - Scotland: Glasgow
SE - Scotland: Glasgow
SF - Scotland: Glasgow
SG - Scotland: Glasgow
SH - Scotland: Glasgow
SI - unused
SJ - Scotland: Glasgow
SK - Scotland: Edinburgh
SL - Scotland: Edinburgh
SM - Scotland: Edinburgh
SN - Scotland: Edinburgh
SO - Scotland: Edinburgh
SP - Scotland: Dundee
SQ - unused
SR - Scotland: Dundee
SS - Scotland: Dundee
ST - Scotland: Dundee
SU - Scotland: Aberdeen
SV - Scotland: Aberdeen
SW - Scotland: Aberdeen
SX - Scotland: Inverness
SY - Scotland: Inverness
Hahaha its just the area code
My van has st does that make me an un marked car 😉
"I was trying to increase the distance between you and me as you were quite close"
Fool's errand if ever there was one.
If someone's persistently too close - pull over.
How about: "please stop beating me about the head officer. You're hurting me. "
coolhandluke - MemberNot sure which excuse to use for best results but, if you get "done" when asked your date of birth, give the date it is that day with an appropriate year of course.
You might get let off as its your birthday!
That didn't work for me on Sunday 2 June, which was in fact my birthday! 😡
I got caught stealing once. When I was 5.
Hahaha its just the area codeMy van has st does that make me an un marked car
[url= https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/127905/response/316816/attach/2/Response%20Letter.pdf ]Notice anything similar about the registrations?[/url]
That's a marked list, they generally won't supply unmarked lists, however the vast majority i've seen on the roads also have SF plates.
Like I said, if you have an SF plate behind you it's probably a wise idea not to speed.
Got caught once - it was valentines day i claimed my GF had dumped me form mey best mate and i was very upset and distraught. I was about 19 at the time.
He was actually really nice and told me to calm down and plenty more fish in the sea etc
Never been stopped for speeding since
I got caught stealing once. When I was 5.
Do you enjoy stealing, then?
Lifer - MemberI got caught stealing once. When I was 5.
Yes, but you enjoy stealing. It's just as simple as that.
"But I'm trying to get a KOM.."
There's a black Audi A5 ( I think ) around here in Manchester that's unmarked with a SW61 plate so, checking the lists above, that's been registered in Aberdeen.
They all used to be MX, MV plates etc, which is Manchester, but they are getting savvy about it now.
I once got let off with 70 mph in a 30 as it gone flying into a road and 2 Police motorbikes saw my driving like a idiot but, as they was coming the other way by the time they had turned round and caught me I was sat in traffic so they couldn't get a track on me.
They knew full well I'd flown down there as they said they had done 60 and couldn't catch me.
That's the most dangerous, stupidest thing I'd ever done and looking back now, the consequences of my driving that morning could have been catastrophic.
I can't even be bother getting upto 70 on the motorway most of the time now and just chill with the HGVs
mogrim - MemberDo you enjoy stealing, then?
Only when I want something, but don't want to pay for it.
I once did 120mph through a supermarket in my Morris Marina.
In reverse.
THIS...probably about 115mph.
does not equal
here's a £60.00 ticket,
You'll learn that the hard way...
as someone who does 45k a year in the car I can't be arsed to stick to the shitty damn stupid 1950's limit invented for cars with drum brakes....
In the main I cruise (where I can) around 90mph. I don't bully people out my way, I don't hog the middle or outer lane and I USE my indicators ( in my BMW believe it or not) and I show courtesy to others...
Coming out of Blackpool a few weeks ago I was on M55 doing about 95mph for a good 8-10 miles, for a while I noticed a 3 series a fair distance behind me. For a few miles I cruised along, kept left when not overtaking and used my indicators.. Then I started to wonder 'what if that's an unmarked car' and slowly slowed down to 80mph and I then noticed the LED"s in the grill and thought 'ooopss'...
He creeped up on me (by that time I'm doing bang on 70mph) and smiled at me as he passed me.... Literally seconds later someone in a X5 came thrashing off the slip road, straight into lane 3 and then proceeded to drive up the arse of another car. Within seconds the same car who had followed me for miles lit up his hidden lights and pulled the X5 over.
Last month I was on A1M up Dishforth and was doing 95mph on long straight, sunday morning around 9:30 and as I appeared from two overtaking trucks I saw the marked car parked up on the ramp, nailed the brakes but too late.... 3points £60 fine. Was polite with the guy and just said fair cop. He told me vast majority of motorway rozers have a personal limit of 90mph and anything over is fair game.
Which is what a copper who pulled me for doing 92 said on the A19 a few Christmas's ago, but let me off because it was christmas and he remarked that my driving was efficient and courteous but just a little to fast 😆
The faster the speed limit is raised the better in my opinion
Aound town's, the 30/40/50 limits I tend to stick to but the motorways I get my foot down where I can
According to the aforementioned copper on Sunday, on the completely empty 3-lane 40mph limit A Road, if I'd been doing 50 or under he'd have let me off. As it was I was doing 59, as I'd just decided to put my foot down to make the most of the completely empty 3-lane 4-mph A Road. 😡
as someone who does 45k a year in the car I can't be arsed to stick to the shitty damn stupid 1950's limit invented for cars with drum brakes....
The 70mph motorway limit didn't exist in the 1950s.
You're far more likley to get pulled by a copper driving behind you if you're driving dangerously. This would include inexperienced boy-racers in their Saxo's doing 95+
A driver who uses their indicators, correct lanes, and gives sufficient space to other road users (for braking distances, and safe overtaking) would be regarded as far safer on the roads than many other road users.
I'm sure the traffic cameras on motorways help alert coppers on the road of dangerous drivers miles ahead (or behind)
I probably cruise around 85-90, much less if the traffic is heavy.
Heading north up the A1 very late one Sunday evening a few months ago...
Shortly after I had pulled onto the A1 and accelerated up to about 80mph, two cars (silver E Class and black Octavia VRS estate) came past rather quickly. I decided to tag along. They were cruising at over 90 and stuck to the right, overtaking lane. Where appropriate, I kept left (hoping they would do too - it's a pet hate of mine)
This continued for about 25 miles - the Merc leading the procession, stuck to the right lane.
I nearly soiled myself when, at the M18 junction, the Octavia lit up like a red and blue christmas tree and pulled the Merc over.
Wouldn't it have lit up like a green Christmas tree with blue and red lights?
Heading north up the A1 very late one Sunday evening a few months ago...Shortly after I had pulled onto the A1 and accelerated up to about 80mph, two cars (silver E Class and black Octavia VRS estate) came past rather quickly. I decided to tag along. They were cruising at over 90 and stuck to the right, overtaking lane. Where appropriate, I kept left (hoping they would do too - it's a pet hate of mine)
This continued for about 25 miles - the Merc leading the procession, stuck to the right lane.
I nearly soiled myself when, at the M18 junction, the Octavia lit up like a red and blue christmas tree and pulled the Merc over
The copper probably could have called his mates to join the motorway to book you, but perhaps your "safe" driving (plenty of space, moving into correct lanes, etc) made them think twice?
Wonder why they waited 25 miles to pull them over? Perhaps they were hoping he'd do over a ton?
Possibly following a suspect in a case, and were waiting for confirmation of something before pulling him over.
I can't be arsed to stick to the shitty damn stupid 1950's limit invented for cars with drum brakes...
a) They're not stupid, they are an attempt to enforce CONSISTENT driving from everyone. Everyone goes on about lovely French motorways - the biggest reason they are lovely is that all the cars are doing similar speeds. This makes them look particularly quiet, cos you don't have to pass or be passed much.
b) Cars were worse in the 60s, but traffic volumes were far lower. That's why the limit has't changed.
c) If you can't be arsed to follow the rules, you're being a dick. What else can't you be arsed to do? Indicate? Give way at roundabouts? Pay for your shopping? If everyone followed the rules, there'd be far fewer incidents and far less road rage, we'd all be happier. People feeling that they know best ends up with everyone doing something different which means there's far less predictability, and that can only mean more accidents.
Say it was your wife
Wonder why they waited 25 miles to pull them over? Perhaps they were hoping he'd do over a ton?
It's a fair point, if a copper is prepared to just sit behind and watch while you're speeding, that's a strong implication that it's not dangerous. (M'lud.)
After all if a bike was about to fall off your roof, or one of your wheels looked loose, he'd stop you immediately, not spend 3 miles "gathering evidence".
(I am not a lawyer, by the way.) 😆
I can't be arsed to stick to the shitty damn stupid 1950's limit invented for cars with drum brakes....
Bit of a silly argument this.
A major factor in stopping distances is thinking/reaction time.
Modern brakes might be better than they were in the 50s but our reaction times are the same.
In fact they are probably worse on average given the number of in-car distractions these days.
(also [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_speed_limits_in_the_United_Kingdom#History ]the 70mph limit wasn't actually imposed till 1965[/url], before that there was no upper limit on motorways)
Modern brakes might be better than they were in the 50s but our reaction times are the same.
but aren't reaction times a small proportion of the time taken to stop? it probably takes less than half a second to react, but 10 times that to stop at high speed. I bet it was 20 times that in 50s cars (or even 60s when the 70mph limit was introduced).
I think the point about traffic volume is more valid. But also that coppers clearly use discretion, so why change the speed "limit". I always (when conditions allow) travel at 85-90 on the motorways but haven't been done yet which means I must be an exceptional driver. 8)
[fate duly tempted - I'm going to get done now aren't I?]
aren't reaction times a small proportion of the time taken to stop?
Well, the official stopping distances are:
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So based on those figures, if you are travelling at 90mph you will travel 27 metres in your reaction time. About a car and a half length further than you do at 70mph.
That's before you even hit the brakes.
you don't HAVE to have a speedometer fitted, just take it out.
so by 60s standards, at 90mph you travel 27m just thinking, then maybe 120 braking! I wonder how much that would be with 2013 standard brakes? 27m thinking and 60m braking?
Didn't Top Gear do this once?
27m thinking and 60m braking?
Didn't Top Gear do this once?
Indeedy.
There are improvements, but the Escort still takes 198ft (about 60m) from 70mph.
And of course that is all based on drivers doing full emergency stops - in reality most drivers would be slightly more hesitant before hitting the full anchors at top speed on a motorway. Especially if they have a rep mobile sitting 12 inches from their back bumper.
Have you been on a motorway recently? Pretty much every journey I have done in the last 6 months I have seen an accident or the remains of one.
Motorway limits could increase, but until the driving standards also increase there is just no point. 70, fewer deaths and better driving from everyone please 🙂
"Sorry Officer I was just testing out the new Flux Capacitors, Marrrrtttttyyyyyyyyy!"
Everyone goes on about lovely French motorways - the biggest reason they are lovely is that all the cars are doing similar speeds. This makes them look particularly quiet, cos you don't have to pass or be passed much.
Or maybe they look quiet because it's a country three times the size of the UK, but with the same population?
..................and if they waited to take their turn overtaking, everyone could be fluffy as a cloud 😉If everyone followed the rules, there'd be far fewer incidents and far less road rage, we'd all be happier.
Or maybe they look quiet because it's a country three times the size of the UK, but with the same population?
And because you have to pay to get on them, so you don't have so many people using them for shortish journeys. Like m1 Leicester to Nottingham, where there's tons of traffic both ways going a shortish distance, in France, people might well save the money and use A road equivalents, most of the people on a Peage in france are going a long distance.
Everyone flips over the limit once in a while. Just as sometimes that amber shows and doesn't last as long as it should. Can I advise if that does happen admit nothing. If you were driving like a **** Then confess otherwise say you don't know why they pulled you over. Sorry. But well...
I've not much to add to this other than to say Mogrim and Lifer's exchange on the previous page gave me the giggles.
That and,
a) They're not stupid, they are an attempt to enforce CONSISTENT driving from everyone.
Not true. Motorway speed limits were introduced to prevent motor manufacturers using public roads as test tracks.
(and playing devil's advocate, by your argument any arbitrary limit should have the same effect effect)
Everyone flips over the limit once in a while.
It's very rare that anyone gets stopped or fined for just slipping over the limit. Cops (and even the speed cameras) have [i]a bit[/i] of discretion.
If the police stop you when you are doing 85 or less in a 70 then chances are you were driving badly, as well as speeding.
Just as sometimes that amber shows and doesn't last as long as it should.
Can never be said enough: AMBER MEANS STOP.
Not true. Motorway speed limits were introduced to prevent motor manufacturers using public roads as test tracks.
Yes, I know that. But that's a big reason for still having them, but people don't seem to be aware of this.
Amber means "Stop if you safely can"
Amber means "Stop if you safely can"
Indeed.
Or more precisely it means Stop unless [i]"you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision."[/i] (Rule 175)
So collinstiffee's statement [i]"sometimes that amber shows and doesn't last as long as it should"[/i] makes no sense, unless he is one of the many drivers who apparently think amber means [i]"floor it before they go red"[/i].
floor it before they go red".
you get better drivers than i do i see the
floor it as it has only just gone red - still lets complain about cyclists RLJ
