Carrying a knife

I like you Drac, you’re usually a voice of reason, but that’s a ridiculous thing to say.

Thanke. Yeah it’s just my normal retort.

The law is clumsy, it’s a deterrent and to make prosecution easy for those they identify as a risk. However, without it there we little be more spontaneous attacks from the red mist attacks. Knife wounds are horrendous and despite what CZ much more dangerous than a screwdriver.

The laws isn’t perfect,  causes a little inconvenience for slicing apples and cheese but it’s required.

Thank you scapegoat – finally a sensible post. Not a sensible law mind you, I agree with many on here that it does nothing to prevent knife crime and only serves to help ‘stale pale and male’ old men have knives close on their fingers whilst cutting something stubborn.

That's one of the more ridiculous things to come out of this.  I used to carry a locking blade knife because;reasons.

When this legislation was introduced in 1988 (section 139 Criminal Justice Act 1988) it was widely assumed that a lock knife was a folding knife. However, some pedantic **** decided they'd have their moment of fame and in 1993 we had the stated case of Harris - v-DPP which determined that a blade with a locking mechanism was fixed.  This ruling has has a couple of goes at an appeal, but has been upheld.

So my fingers are still at risk when I'm slicing tomatoes

I've never heard the term "zombie knife" before this thread so I googled it. The third hit was (of course) The Sun puffing out its chest for having them banned; the second Wikipedia; and the first Amazon.

Clicking the Amazon link yields these gems:

^^The Ravenous Tomahawk does give me the munchies for zombie flesh if I'm honest.

Cool that it's unisex too, subtle taste difference between male and female brain matter.

going off on a tangent - regarding tomahawks

I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

I doubt the average roadman is reading treatises on pre-firearm combat techniques, so I wonder where this new obsession has come from.

If my memory serves me correctly, from playing many zombie game. A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

Just weird carrying one in office just in case they fancy a tomato.

I suppose this is down to parameters and the type of person who thinks critically. Not saying for a second you dont.

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'Offices' That workplace where everything can be found readily to hand. Yes ?. No of course not, and in fact you're doing well if you can find a teaspoon let alone a knife sharp enough to slice a tomato, which coincidentally is one of those examples used to show the sharpness of any kitchen knife in a thousand tv ads across the land.

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So you fancy a tomato or two, and while you'll never see me trying one of those things, I do understand some go for them, but thats not really important.

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So you can bite at it, risking juice down your workshirt, which could cause an eyebrow or two to be raised when you get called in for a boss meet, and the connotations that might imply, or at the very least down your chin, so you now also need find a paper towel, or such, again not something in ready supply in the 'shared' kitchen.

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But lets just say there is a kitchen type knife sitting in the drawer, the one that was bought from Asda for cutting the cake at Mary's leaving do, but has long given up its association with having a keen edge, especially one keen enough to perfectly slice that principle of fruit skin.

You have the tomato, you have the knife, which is blunt and probably as much use as a teaspoon (if you were lucky enough to find one of those also).

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Result, some smashed thing on the plate that once resembled a tomato, but not no longer offers any resemblance to those lovely cleanly sliced tomatoes segments, indicative of every tv knife commercial.

And all for the want of a sharp knife...

I think Benjamin Franklin would have owned and carried a pocket knife, don't you 😕

A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

As far as I can gather, it's a knife with both a blade edge and a serrate, in dayglo colours, with "for ****ting people" written on the handle.

Batfink has it.

Countzero is miles off.

I don't see as they are mutually exclusive opinions. They're both right IMHO.

I have several tin-openers that just will not open modern cans because of the way the rim is constructed

See, whilst I'm mostly with you on the subject of knives, I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where N+1 applies to can openers. Surely the optimum quantity here is "one"?

And all for the want of a sharp knife sharpener…

FTFY

If my memory serves me correctly, from playing many zombie game. A zombie knife is like a knuckle duster with a blade.

knuckleduster knife combo has been around since WW1 - called a trench knife

FTFY

Well done 😆

Though I wonder if your workmates might be a tad more concerned to see you sitting at the desk using it.

ayjaydoubleyou
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going off on a tangent – regarding tomahawks

I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

I doubt the average roadman is reading treatises on pre-firearm combat techniques, so I wonder where this new obsession has come from.

That's my planned zombie apocalypse "build".

Unfortunately I bet my personal zombie apocalypse will be the type with running zombies, not the stumbling/slow kind. Even the undead have better cardio than me.

"The law is clumsy, it’s a deterrent and to make prosecution easy for those they identify as a risk."

Very much this. Back in the 80s the law was the Prevention of Crime Act 1953. It prohibited carrying offensive weapons. There was 2 categories. Anything designed to cause injury. A bayonet. A knuckle duster etc.  The second category was anything the suspect had in their possion that they intended to cause injury with.

" “ offensive weapon ” means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him"

There were numerous cases in Glasgow of neds being caught late at night in the city centre with Stanley knives in their pocket who were getting not guilty or not proven verdicts at court.  A Stanley knife is a tool not a weapon. Meanwhile there were numerous victims being slashed by Stanley knives.  Proving intent isn't easy. Unless a knife is out the pocket being brandished you basically need a verbal admission. Surprisingly enough often  either no admission was made or it was alleged at court that any admission had been fabricated by the police.

So the law was  changed to cover bladed and sharply pointed objects. Which has the unfortunate side effect of sometimes inadvertantly making criminals out of otherwise law abiding members of the public.

https://crime.scot/s49/

A key difference being that rather than the police needing to prove there was intent to use a knife as a weapon the person in possession had either reasonable excuse or lawful authority. And there were stated  exceptions. Work purposes  religious reasons or part of a national costume IE Skean Dhu.

I’ve been surprised to find that France has even stricter knife laws than the UK.

That doesn't seem to gel with the standard French market stall that always seems to have an excellent selection of flick knives, knuckle dusters, ninja swords and 'zombie knives', next to the selection of gentile Opinels, Laguioles, oyster shuckers etc.!

I can vaguely remember reading something a while back that determined that a tomahawk combined with a small sheild in the off hand, was the best/most versatile armament for fighting (out of formation).

Dunno about that. It is unlikely to do well against a hand and a half sword for example.
Main advantage of tomahawk/other axe variants (outside of dedicated battle axes) is that they are more useful for day to day tasks than a sword and also cheaper.

Just found my "Real Lamb Foot"

Cutting edge length 2.75" from point to choil.

3.25" including choil and ricasso.

Not worth the possible future bother, unless I grind .25" off the end.

or it was alleged at court that any admission had been fabricated by the police.

Yeah thats normal for the police. The phrase they always use as the reason given is 'It's for my own protection' which is an instant conviction.

When I went up to court, thats the phrase the 2 scumbags used for me. and I did not say that in the slightest. I said I'd forgotten it was in there, but they made a big play about the experience of these two liars, one had 20 years, the other something like 22 years experience. NOBODY says 'it's for my own protection Nobody. And according to the cop notes i said 'Its fur ma ain protection' Im from a poshish area and do not use guttural slang, but there it was for all to hear. Utter tosh. Glad to get that out, its been annoying me since the incident.

Other useful cop phrases you may have heard about. "I can smell cannabis" -this then gives them the right to search your car/person. or the all time favourite "STOP RESISTING"- this then means they can pretty much do anything violent to you.

Dunno about that. It is unlikely to do well against a hand and a half sword for example.
Main advantage of tomahawk/other axe variants (outside of dedicated battle axes) is that they are more useful for day to day tasks than a sword and also cheaper.

It may have included aspects of how difficult it was to train/become proficient with it and the cost and difficulty of making it. Was your sword combined with wearable armour for example?

I think Police ask questions like "could someone see X as a weapon?". I'd say you'd have to ask that someone.

I believe "technically" in France you can't have a one-handed opener, locking blade or something like a Spydy hole. Possibly Germany too.

Other useful cop phrases you may have heard about. “I can smell cannabis”

Yeah they tried something similar with myself on a routine stop years ago when I was able to drive my Mk2 Golf Gti, (tyre check, general poke around etc..etc), I replied “of course you can smell cannabis, there’s a half oz of it in my bag”. They were really ****ing disappointed when I showed them my medical license for it.

I’m going to start carrying a spear. I believe it’s legal as long as the pointy end is rounded off.

3.25″ including choil and ricasso

what have 80s singing duos got to do with this? Did they do "Save your luff for me"?

If the police search you and find you are carrying a knife is "i have a smaller than normal penis" a legitimate reason?

I carry either a Leatherman or an Opinel knife in my car at all times and also take one in my hillwalking pack every day.

The main use has been for dispatching wounded deer on several occasions. Not just on the roads but they run into fences as well.

Finished off a wild donkey once too. In the Himalayas.

Finished off a wild donkey once too. In the Himalayas.

I hope you bought him a drink first.

Neppalling.
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Offices’ That workplace where everything can be found readily to hand. Yes ?. No of course not, and in fact you’re doing well if you can find a teaspoon let alone a knife

Which is why you can keep them in your drawer, saves carrying a knife and protects your from the law.

I’ve been surprised to find that France has even stricter knife laws than the UK. It doesn’t seem to matter the blade size or the lockingness of it.

Laws aren't as simple as they seem because they get refined by jurisprudence. A locking knife is a "poignard" which is an arme de 6ème catégorie so you can't carry an Opinel without a legitimate reason. However, a Laguiole doesn't lock so you can carry it and it only becoems are weapon if you use it as such. So you need a Laguiole with a cork screw for you trips out with your mates. I bought one to replace my Opinel on camping trips but it's so heavy I never take it with me. 🙂

(White cuddly man, old enough to fondly remember whittling sticks in the woods but now largely happy to live in the real world)

Yep the world moves on and you have to move with it,not find excuses so the rules don’t apply to you 🙂

I also had a cracking scout knife for playing splits with and one of the scout masters had a cracking SS knife, fine in the day not so now, a lot of my er toys would be now be frowned upon but that was then and we live in the now.

I genuinley have no skin in this game, and don't care much as long as you're not using a knife for no good.....but I had no idea this many people were slicing tomato and cheese at work.

My only venture Into knifes was when I bought a small victorinox climber after watching 127 hours. In 15 years I've only used it for the tweezers and to open beer / wine.

Looks like a change to the SAK.

Or grind down these shitters....

I texted a few mates in the town (kirkcudbright galloway) to see what they say, was interested to see if they are aware of the law, doesn't matter to them was the general response.

Brother : always carries his leatherman arc, says best xmas present i've bought him (roofer)

Bruce : same as brother, (electrician) always carries.

John : Big Opinel with lanyard (skipper, fishing boats) always carries but he's only home for 3 days out of 10/12.

Trigger : Big Opinel with lanyard, (creel fisherman) always carries. Also has big mora fixed blade knife and quick release holster

James : Old locknife (farmer) always carries.

And I know my mum has her SAK with nail file, scissors, tweezers etc in her handbag, dunno what model?

Guess the wilds of galloway are different to town/city life

kirkcudbright

Nice little spot. The ranges suck balls and somewhere up there is a now very rusty Gerber folder. 😂

I had no idea this many people were slicing tomato and cheese at work.

That’s before you get to slicing cheese and apples on the trails or enjoying a freshly buttered croissant in the south down reenacting Mint Sauce.

Nice little collection there red thunder.

Shame the range dumped/fired 12,000+ depleted uranium shells in the bay though, my mate finds the odd shell or two every so often in his dredges.

Used to love bombing around the range on my bike, very quiet and peaceful until you get escorted off for disturbing/crossing the training area when flags are flying 😉 , I could've walked away with so many weapons/shells before they tightened up security in the late 90's.

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Would usually have something on me when I was working on a farm - but then that is not carrying in public.  I was pretty handy with a billhook.  Mind I hate to think how many laws I would have been breaking in other areas.  Given 3,000 new offences were created by the New Labour lot alone.....

Had a good wander around Dundreggan once - found the flags down and nobody about. Well worth a visit.

@soafunk it’s not that much different now.

3.25″ including choil and ricasso.

Well, I just learned a new word, I've never heard "ricasso" before. Every day's a school day.

Finished off a wild donkey once too.

The ranges suck balls

Every day's a school day.

95% of the times I've got a not locking folder in my pocket. It gets used multiple times every day. I can totally see why for some people it maybe not be a useful tool but for me it is.

If I'm doing jobs at home or in the garden I'll probably have a locking spyderco because it's safe. Same if I'm camping or having a picnic.

You must eat a lot of croissants.

Seven pages and all I’ve learned is it’s best not to eat tomatoes at work because it sounds like a right hassle. Also some of you weird bastards carry spread around with you. I said this on page 4(?) but it needs repeating just to outline the absurdity. I needs to carry a blade officer because butter!

All those who leave a leatherman in the car. I used to do this, I don't anymore because the scrotes found a way to open everyone's motors and go through them. Lost my beloved leatherman wave and chunky victorinox amongst other things. 😞

Will never be replaced, other priorities for the cash these days.

If you need a knife at work, use a knife that is kept at work either in the kitchen for food duties or in the workplace for work use. If you need a knife at home, keep a knife or knives at home: kitchen, garage, shed etc.

The other thing I have not seen mentioned, though not read exhaustively, is what happens if you lose, drop or have the knife pick pocketed. It could fall into the hands of a naughty person who does something illegal with it, either by threat ring or stabbing etc. How would you then feel that your knife was used to harm someone?

Can't tell if you're taking the piss or serious?

What’s a threat ring? Some sort of organised bullying?

Guy at work used to bring a small kitchen knife on the train with him to cut apples at work (work provided the apples) had to explain to him why bringing a 'fixed' knife prob just over 3in blade in a bag on the train was a bad idea especially when he didn't have an apple in his bag, 'but I'm not some scrote wanting to stab someone etc'. Probably on 100k + a year.

As a proud Englishman I think I should be able to carry a broadsword around in public if I so wish

Well, it's now obvious that the next time I go to pick up a bike part or whatever from a forum member id better go tooled up.

Half of the forum is full on tip of the spear and all they care about is operating cutting tomatoes.

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In fact, this guy's time has come. He'll be my +1 on bike part pick ups.

Nipple armour!