Which should not mean exclusion from sports or cultural events as part of their life.
I didn't say that though – the parents/carers would know of any specific safeguarding considerations and try to ensure the child in their care is not put at risk.
Agreed, but when you get people who take/share photos or videos without even checking, that's when the problems start.
I know you will be tuned into this more than most, but I've seen disruption of placement for this very reason...never the fault of the carers though, always the 'accidental' third party share.
Agreed, but when you get people who take/share photos or videos without even checking, that’s when the problems start.
Absolutely agreed.
From experience, vast majority are either aware enough or sensitive enough to understand when 'challenged' on this. A very few either push back 'because it's stupid / OTT' or because they 'know their rights' and it's very hard to then do anything because technically they're right. But rule 1.
Sadly, if there are protected kids then it potentially only takes one slip up and their situation can get compromised. Hence better overcontrolled than under.
Sad that a question on what camera has to extend to cover this topic, but that's the real world.
Sad that a question on what camera has to extend to cover this topic, but that’s the real world.
Agreed on all counts. But it's a conversation that needed to be had.
If you're going to be taking photos in public then you have to understand a) if you can and b) if you should.
Another view (aside from the safeguarding issues discussed) is that if the OP is planning on getting some serious kit (ie, a high-end SLR and a massive telephoto lens) then people could be expected to be more cautious about their intentions (ie, are they planning on publishing the images? Where could they end up? Are they benefitting financially)? so it might be prudent to be explicit about what will be done with the images. Having art directed a few photoshoots myself over the years, I always state the purpose of the photoshoot and get written approval for image use as described.
Having art directed a few photoshoots myself over the years, I always state the purpose of the photoshoot and get written approval for image use as described.
Do you getva photo of their ID as well....
have a motorwind
Goodness, that's a term I've not heard for a while! 🙂
Being another not-very-good photographer, I adopt a policy of taking loads on the basis that it betters the odds of getting something good. 🙂
Our primary school (school roll of 28!) had an outright ban on pics/vids at one point due to some protected kids. Absolutely fair enough - they’ve been homed well away from their biological parents for good reason and as others say one stray pic on social media could jeopardise it.
Always worth checking with the club/s involved what their policies are. Just common decency really. Other than the instance above I’ve always got on fine with pics of mine at shinty/rugby/biking/whatever.
I’ll bet that’s less common than people just being fuds about it
Asa school governor safeguarding lead a few years ago, for a school in a decent vilalge in a nice part of the world, there was at last 1 child in each school year for four years running that couldnt be phtographed etc for child protection reasons.
A bit late to this thread but I regularly take photos of my lad and his cricket team and have been for the last few years.
Kit wise - you need a half decent camera with a half decent zoom. This might be a DSLR or more likely mirrorless these days. The old adage spend money on the glass rather than the camera is good. Kit has moved on a lot but I use gear that's over 10 years old now, a Canon 7D and 70-200mm zoom. Being honest the reach isn't quite enough but the quality is good enough to crop in.
Cricket is OK on less good gear as the light is usually good. Winter rugger / footie you may need to get some faster glass and a better performing high ISO camera body. I may not be making much sense but this is the sort of stuff you need to get your head around really to get into this.
Your budget would be useful.
WRT child protection. I check with my son's team coach, and the opposition's team coach if there is anyone I shouldn't be pointing the camera at. I'll be honest I never point my camera at the opposition kids but obviously they may end up in the background.
I had one objection once and that was from a father of one of my son's teammates. He was just concerned his estranged ex-wife might see images of his lads on social media. I never put any images on social media but do share the images on a Google photo album with the rest of the parents (a private link only those who have the link can view the album). The parents are overjoyed to see some half decent pics of their kids in action. I just didn't take any photos of his kids. He saw the results and asked me to next time.
It might be worth letting yourself known to the club safeguarding officer.
HTH
Nope I'm not
planning on getting some serious kit (ie, a high-end SLR and a massive telephoto lens)
quite the opposite
But it's a lovely example of how people don't even bother reading the opening post before jumping in with their tuppence worth on side issue arguments that Singletrack just LOVES getting involved in.
53 post on this thread, about 6 of use.
I was well aware of safe guarding thanks, but knock yourselves out lads.
If I may get the discussion back on track, just for a post or two 🙂
Which if you lovely people wants to spec me something for £150 or suggest if I spent a bit more my photographing life might be easier.
I was well aware of safe guarding thanks, but knock yourselves out lads.
Your posts suggest otherwise.
53 post on this thread, about 6 of use.
I was well aware of safe guarding thanks, but knock yourselves out lads.
If I might.
If you were well aware then it would have been useful to say so, knowing what STW is like. OK, reading back "I fancy trying to capture it better for them, their team mates, me and other parents" can now be interpreted as 'for a limited audience only' but it didn't close off in the same way as 'well aware there may be SG issues which I would of course cover with the club beforehand....' could have done.
Secondly - I don't see any of the SG advice that's been given as being unhelpful, just skip it if it's not relevant. And many others may be reading now or in future and not know the situation, so as a reference it's still valid to discuss the issues.
Finally - not necessarily you but some were pretty dismissive - on a wind up, paranoia, being awkward for the sake of it, not seeing issue if it isn't going onto social media*, and people being fuds about it. There's some genuine knowledge on this from both authority and club side, the dismissiveness of some posts creates the situation where more will come in and reinforce against stuff that's been said that is just plain wrong.
* this bit is still worth noting. You might only be doing it for you / other parents, and not putting on social media yourself. But as soon as they are sent or available elsewhere you have no control where else it goes. Many kids have done the exercise in school to see how far and fast a social media post can proliferate, and kids can't be relied on to not post stuff themselves. And it can only take one misstep and someone's privacy is blown with all the implications.
So - again sorry it's not JUST camera advice but this is a public forum and the discussion will extend beyond what you want with no malice meant.
But it’s a lovely example of how people don’t even bother reading the opening post before jumping in with their tuppence worth on side issue arguments that Singletrack just LOVES getting involved in.
And that's a lovely example of taking the hump at people who are trying to help you. There was an important word right before that quote you cropped. You might want to go back and read it again.
John is absolutely right that turning up with gear that looks professional to a casual observer, even if it isn't, may draw attention and cause people to ask questions. It would be prudent to be equipped with the knowledge to answer those questions, would it not?
quite the opposite
But it’s a lovely example of how people don’t even bother reading the opening post before jumping in with their tuppence worth on side issue arguments that Singletrack just LOVES getting involved in.
Sorry but I wasn't meaning you specifically, I was talking about the bigger picture (ahem) of people taking photographs of children and what perceptions may be. I even said 'if the OP is planning' and used an extreme example of the sort of kit that could be used. Sorry if the wording confused anyone, I wasn't trying to take the piss out of the OP.
Our primary school (school roll of 28!) had an outright ban on pics/vids at one point due to some protected kids. Absolutely fair enough – they’ve been homed well away from their biological parents for good reason and as others say one stray pic on social media could jeopardise it.
Same here with a lad who used to be in our Scout troop.
No hump here, I'm smiley faces throughout 😛
Now .... about the kit, techniques and the enjoyment you've been able to bring to yourself and others.
What you got !?!
(Please do not feel the need to express your compliance to the safe guarding rules you sensibly and diligently followed as respectable, abiding, don't wanna cause no fuss, middle aged men who were only doing it for their kids, team mates and opposition's enjoyment)
Mirrorless kit for sports photography generally tends towards the spendy as sports, along with 'birds in flight', often needs long fast lenses to get sharp images. If you're looking at mainly video, something full frame with decent autofocus like a Sony A73 with a 24-100 ish zoom lens would probably do you fine in anything other than really poor light.
Looking somewhere like the MPB website would give you lots of options for second hand kit - I've bought a lot of my stuff from there and never had a problem.
I'm a Panasonic Lumix user, but I wouldn't recommend their older stuff for sports video, as the continuous autofocus required was their achilles heel until their newest release, which is £2,000 for the body, so possibly out of the price range you have in mind?
One other option would be to consider Micro 4/3 - smaller image sensor, so lighter, cheaper bodies and lenses. Backtracking slightly on what I said earlier, the Panasonic Lumix G9 (or even the G80) would be fine for general video work, and coupled with the Lumix 100-300 tele lens, would give you scope for some decent footage. It also has the advantage of not being super bulky, and doesn't leave you looking like a pro sports photographer at the side of the pitch.
Personally never did it. Despite my own kids and now grandkids tearing up the turf or parquet. Makes me feel a bit uncomfortable actually. Still have great memories of epic moments though; personal and exclusive they may be. They remember, as do I. Nowt to do with anyone else.
Samsung S20+ gives good motorsport pics and vids if that helps.
Thanks DJ
I was looking at Pana GX80 last night and then I came across the Pana Lum FZ80/82 ... a bridge camera with a long zoom and 4k vid and more usefully 4k burst photos.
2nd hand £220ish ?
Coincidently there has been a note on the rugby team Whatsapp group this morning.
We are due to play in a three way fixture tomorrow night against 2 local rivals ... Friday Night Lights !!! ... Fantastic!!...
The home team have asked if it's ok for them to film it.
Hoping to get the chance to quiz the filmer, if they get the go ahead of course, and then watch my lad tearing it up on repeat all weekend long.
The home team have asked if it’s ok for them to film it.
Good to see they are taking their safeguarding responsibility seriously 😉
Yep and they haven't even seen this thread 🙂
came across the Pana Lum FZ80/82 … a bridge camera with a long zoom and 4k vid and more usefully 4k burst photos.
the LUMIX bridge cameras are nice bits of kit - I’d think that was ideal for your purpose. You can always trade up when Netflix come calling!
