[Closed] Can this be right?

Ah - so it was a troll all along.

Of course. 🙄

Did I say the wife and the girlfriend have just met.........

CBA reading all this.
From what I have read...

Your mate broke the law 4 times.
This is not unlucky...just purely stupid and reckless.

Don't give us all the "hard-working, family-man, sole bread-winner" bollox.
He should have thought about all of that before he chose to speed.

If you don't learn the easy lessons, they just get harder.

Sorry Im late. Ive occassionaly dipped over the 100mph-mark on the motorway (VERY rarely). However I know the risks in many many ways. Sorry G. He racked up the points. He knows how it works. The law didnt spring this info on him.

/Chuckles

So one guy admits perjury, another suggests tax evasion, and almost everyone fails to get the point. It should be called brainlesstrackworld....

I'm really glad you used the death of my friend to help while away the boredom...

And the sense of proportion decreases further....

it is basically a troll.

Though there's still one little point along the way I thought I'd pick you up on

Totally overlooked the fact that on a £4000 mtb there are hydraulic brakes which actually can stop you quicker than car in the same circumstances

No they can't - particularly not when going downhill

If you can't stop your bike quicker than car at the same speed and in the same conditions I'd get your brakes serviced urgently if I were you. Consider the fact that your using pretty much the same technology, and weigh a fraction of what a car does... well at least I do.

crikey - Member
I'm really glad you used the death of my friend to help while away the boredom...

Sorry if you feel that way, my view however is obviously different. I happen to beleive that what happened to those guys, and significantly their familes afterwards, and therefore to the greater cycling fraternity by implication was an absolute disgrace. Regretably despite many attempts it has remained a fact that the opportunity to build something positive from that horrible event seems to have been completely ignored. Personally, I'm unlikely to stop banging on about it, or winding people up who seem intent on ignoring the inequities in the way cyclists are treated and riding off on some holier than crusade instead.

TJ, I despair. The point is that without investigation my mate, truly did get banned for 6 months, he has lost his livlihood, and great hardship has been brought down on him for the error of his ways. Likewise without investigation, the Police for it was they who failed to charge the driver, not the CPS who had no evidence presented to them, chose to treat the incident as "one of those things" and not important enough to warrant serious investigation and thought. Thats not my interpretation of it, thats the interpretation of the coroner and the Home Secretary. So yep you're right the Rhyl fella wasn't taken to court and it wasn't tested in a court of law. However, the point is the motivation behind that. i.e. the "system" doesn't take deaths of cyclists seriously. Step away from the Rhyl 4 for a moment and consider any one of numerous other incidents and think about it. The guy on the Dunwich Dyanmo in 07 (i mention it as I happened to be there). To the best of my knowledge no charges were ever brought. The guy on the A1 the other week, anyone know if any charges have been brought? I'm guessing not.

Now then for those who think I've tried to slip off the hook with dignity, read what I've written, (especially this bit)

In the meantime, lets see how many more posts go on without actually reading what any of its about.

Finally for those who cannot fully get it. I am not now, never have and will not be drawn on trying to defend my mates actions. That is not what this is about. It is about the inequity between the way some traffic offences are treated in relation to extremely serious offences aginst cyclists. (I don't actually have a view particularly on pedestrains incidentally, viewing them as I do as a sub species). I have used the Rhyl 4 as an illustration, being as it is a notorious case where, the investigating authorities were directly criticised for their woeful lack of diligence in dealing with it. The catalyst for these thoughts was indeed my mate appearing with his tale of woe, and me thinking that doesn't seem right in relation to all of these numerous other cases of cyclists being wiped out and nothing being done about it. However, it is not about him, it is about the lack of support for cyclists.

Now then you'll have to make do with moaning about this post for now, as I've got stuff to do today. However, never fear I shall return to wind the handle even more.

Bye for now.

G - Member

> No they can't - particularly not when going downhill

If you can't stop your bike quicker than car at the same speed and in the same conditions I'd get your brakes serviced urgently if I were you. Consider the fact that your using pretty much the same technology, and weigh a fraction of what a car does... well at least I do.

😀

That's the best comment in this whole thread..

Why thank you sir.

[i]remember the guy on the £4000 moutnain [sic] bike he ran into a girl [/i]

The public outrage surrounding that case was not whether the guy was on a £4K bike, it was about whether or not he was a) riding on the pavement (CCTV showed him further up on the pavement, but he claimed to be on the road when he hit her and all the other witnesses were either pissed, or couldn't remember) and b) The was a suggestion from other witnesses, that he appeared to be aiming for her...

G - your mate is an idiot who deserved to be banned
No he isn't hes a very hard working family guy who has been a bit unlucky. Neither he nor I have sought to justify or pardon his actions.

Its not unlucky for ****s sake, its his moronic driving and an inability to see where he has gone wrong with the previous cases. If he was so worried about his wife and kids he'd have slowed down.

G - your mate isn't Mr.McGoo per chance?

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Tankslapper - I think G might be Calimero ....

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An anthropomorphized cartoon chicken? You've cycled with him then? 😆

I don't think this thread was a troll. I think it's research for an essay.

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This is him.... how the **** he gets 37mph out of it is beyond me

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Thanks... age is against me.

And the majority of the forum it would appear.....

If you can't stop your bike quicker than car at the same speed and in the same conditions I'd get your brakes serviced urgently if I were you. Consider the fact that your using pretty much the same technology, and weigh a fraction of what a car does... well at least I do.

Of course your latest reply shows that the rest of my last post was also spot on. It has been quite clear all along that this never was a troll (though I did wonder briefly). It has also been quite clear that one of the main reasons you're getting so worked up is that you feel your mate has been hard done by, no matter how much you might try to deny it.

Not reading past the original post.
But your mates bang to rights.
But worst than that was your comment, the bit that sort of implies that speeding at certain times of the day is fine and dandy.
I can't find any evidence that somehow suggests that a human being is less likely to be killed to death by a speeding motorist at 2am!
And (shakes fist) I get called out all times of the day and night, and the ammount of drivers that think little rules like speed limits and traffic lights don't apply in the early hours, ****s.

****, I'm beginning to feel sorry for the OP now. The comparison between his mate and the Rhyl incident was ill-judged; as was asking for sympathy on STW for a driver who's racked up twelve points for speeding offences. There's definitely some major digging going on now by the OP to get himself out of the hole...this, on an internet forum (especially STW) is probably the most ill-judged action of all.

I think it's done now and some of this is beginning to look a bit like bullying.

Bullying? No, more like a pack of hyenas moving in to finish off the poor little antelope, which is now exhausted, and faces the inevitable...

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It's nature, I'm afraid. Can't fight against it.

Attenborough will be stepping down soon RudeBoy, fancy taking his place for us?

G = poor little antelope? 😆 😆 😆

My guess he's the sort of 'poor little antelope' who would lure hyenas into a trap, hog tie the lot of them before gang banging the whole pack whilst dressed like Margaret Thatcher....

er....just an opinion of course

DD; no probs. Although the commentary might be just a tiny bit more 'lively'...

"And here, we see the leopard stalking it's prey. It slowly circles round the unsuspecting antelope, waiting for just the right moment... And the chase is on! GO ON MY SON! 'Ave it! Nice one, it's got the bastard! Antelope's ****ed, it's all over. What a poncey animal. W4nker.'Old on; what's this? Some lary C of a hyena's come to 'ave a butchers; look, it's getting all lary. Ged aht of it, you slaag! Heh! 'E's 'ad it away on 'is toes. Give it the biggun, but e's all mahf. The leopard's the guv'nor!'

I think that's what the audience wants, to be truthful.

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My mates just rung me in tears from the police cells. Apparently he made a bit of a mistake - he walked into a local bank with his shotgun and a balaclava and asked to withdraw some money. He's been sentenced to two years. His 9 kids and 2 wives are going to have to live on the streets because those complete bas........ that jury have taken away his living.

How does that compare that to that shoplifter who was banned from Woolies last year for taking a few pick'n'mix. It's the same thing ffs.

He's such a nice guy! Can anyone help?

IdleJon; that is terrible. My sympathies are with your mate; he's obviously the victim of a terrible Miscarriage of Justice. The Jury are obviously racist.

How did you know he's an Eskimo, Rudeboy?

Finished my DIY chores for the weekend, so hurrah and back again.

1) So lets start with a hands up from everyone whose never broken any traffic law?

2) Then a hands up from those who've broken a traffic law and never been caught?

3) Been caught braking traffic laws.

No need for a long post, just go for No. 1, No. 2 or No. 3

I'm 1 and 2, in fact I had 11 points on my licence for 12 months once. Had 6 on there, then got done again. Plus I've been done prior to that , so thats 4 speeding tickets over 32 years as a driver. Broekn loads of other laws and not been caught.

I have done some serious speeding and a bit of double white line crossing. Thats about it tho. Think thats it tho. However I never bleated when I got caught.

Once more - if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Nowt better than 135 mph up the A9 or A82

Not reading all of it, but there will be more to this than we were told at the start.

Must have been a hell of a speeding offence to get taken to court and be banned when they had 3 active points.

Also, could someone give me a brief synopsis of the thread please. 😀

Smee - I think he had 9 so got banned under totting up - but six have / would have now expired

So they have expired now, but not at the time of the offence.

I read a good line about driving offences, cant remember where - most traffic offences can be categorised as failing to spot the police.

(assuming it's not all made up)

I was assuming that there were 9 active points at the time of the latest offence, but that 6 of them had since expired - ie.e between the offence and the court appearance. That [i]does[/i] make we wonder if those 6 were all for speeding - surely that would be speeding plus something else?

Smee - failing to see the police or gatsos and you are about right

Smee - Member

I read a good line about driving offences, cant remember where - most traffic offences can be categorised as failing to spot the police.

That was my first comment. Ignoring the question of who has and hasn't exceeded the speed limit, if someone can sail past 4 speed cameras and not see them, then there has to be some question mark over their observational abilities.

All speeding.. nothing else.

That must have been two speeding offences (2006?) very close together?

All speeding - I can understand getting caught speeding once, but 4 times. That to me indicates major shortcomings in driving ability and attitude. I would have someone like that going for an extended retest as they are quite clearly shit at driving.

How many points for this offence? The one that led to the ban.

Go on the Smee, what your situation, 1 2 or 3??

I got caught speeding once. Took it on the chin and learnt from it. Now I teach people how to avoid getting caught speeding.

The majority of people on the road think that the standard of driving is piss poor. When asked about their own driving ability they mostly say above average. Hmmm.

Nobody ever seems to take responsibility for their actions either. One person I encountered recently who had crashed into the back of another car at a T-junction complained that it wasn't their fault as the car in front had stopped unexpectedly. Dont know about you but I expect most cars to stop at junctions...