[Closed] Campaign for more responsible cat ownership.

Do you really use an air rifle to shoot cats for pleasure kudos?

It's simply a case of neutralising the threat to our threatened bird, rodent and reptile species. As a conservationist, I don't take a great deal of pleasure in killing anything, but anyone who's used a high powered air rifle will know the sense of satisfaction one gains from an accurate hit. 😉

put washing up liquid in the water - aim at the eyes/mouth. They really really dont like it particulalry when they try to wash it off but it doesnt do them any harm.

I effin hate cats, they take most of the chicks we get in our garden in spring and my little lad has held aloft a turd before that i'd failed to spot Any that get caught in my garden get the washing up liquid/boot up the arse treatment and I think froma regulatory cost/benefit perspective this approach is more effective than establishing a feline toileting enforcement bureau.

It impacts upon your neighbours ,your view is selfish.

Your anti-cat views impact on those of cat-loving neighbours, your view is selfish.

Cat food is VAT rated. Cats pay taxes. Which is more than cyclists do.

anyone who's used a high powered air rifle will know the sense of satisfaction one gains from an accurate hit.

Of someone's much loved pet ?

Of someone's much loved pet ?

If it's "much loved", keep it safely locked away. Nothing grinds my gears more than the selfish b*****ds who turn their "much loved" lethal apex predators loose first thing in the morning to decimate the local bird, reptile and rodent populations... Apart from the ones who whinge when people like me don't have such a loving attitude towards their animals.

[i]keep it safely locked away.[/i]

Schrödinger had the right idea?

It's simply a case of neutralising the threat to our threatened bird, rodent and reptile species. As a conservationist, I don't take a great deal of pleasure in killing anything, but anyone who's used a high powered air rifle will know the sense of satisfaction one gains from an accurate hit.

I can't actually decide if you are joking or not.

But if you aren't you do realise that there are only certain types of animals you are legally allowed to shoot?

I don't think cat (domestic or otherwise) is on the list and you are probably committing a firearms offence.

Schrödinger had the right idea?

Poison them and hit them with a hammer? A rifle is far more humane.

Or just squirt them with a lead-infused jet of cold air from a Weihrauch hw100. It guarantees that they won't do it again, and it's still fun! Yey!

Or just squirt them with a lead-infused jet of cold air from a Weihrauch hw100. It guarantees that they won't do it again, and it's still fun! Yey!

[i]*Sub 12ftlb airguns are still firearms in the eyes of the law[/i]

Footflaps, cat ownership is something you have chosen. It impacts upon your neighbours ,your view is selfish.

Being alive is selfish (with or without cats). If you hate cats that much, just move into the middle of nowhere and the problem will vanish. Your mistake is being intolerant and choosing to live in a society....

Ernie, yes or no?
Footflaps, if I throw my litter in your garden, should you then move to somewhere where I can't do it?

I can't actually decide if you are joking or not.

Judging by the deranged rant in the last post I suspect that it isn't a joke.

But if you aren't you do realise that there are only certain types of animals you are legally allowed to shoot?

I don't think cat (domestic or otherwise) is on the list and you are probably committing a firearms offence.

Just criminal damage. From a moral point of view, why is it OK for people to release an unnatural apex predator into the environment and then be unaccountable for the damage it might do to protected species?

If I turned my dog out first thing in the morning and went to work whilst it wreaked havoc to farming livestock or protected wild animals, I would be punished and/or the dog would be destroyed.

The glaring shortfall of the law as it stands is that for some bizarre, archaic reasons, cat owners are not held accountable in the same way that anyone else is.

Let's look at it from a different angle: If I had a pet alligator or a poisonous or constricting snake, should I be allowed to let it loose all day? What would you want to happen of that animal was allowed to roam, completely unfettered, on your property and kill your pets or wild birds after you'd spent a lot of money trying to create a safe haven for them?

This whole thread isn't about the law or opinions yesterday, it's about trying to make people think of what is acceptable today.
Smoking in a public place has rightly been banned. Cats shitting in a public place should also be banned.

[i]Smoking in a public place has rightly been banned[/i]

you can smoke outdoors anywhere ergo cats can poo outdoors anywhere?

Just criminal damage

Don't forget to post your simple yes or no.
Is it acceptable for your cat to poo in your neighbour's garden?
Being responsible cat owners you all use litter trays and frown upon those people who bring cat owners into disrepute .

A simple Yes or No from the cat owners.
Is it acceptable for your animal to foul in someone else's garden?

Your garden? Hell yes, I think if I was one of you neighbours I'd be carefully removing the cat nuggets from the litter tray and slinging them over the fence on purpose just for giggles.

Don't post on here often but seriously, 3 pages on cat shit? CRC & Wiggle have a sale on, maybe they have a life going cheap for you 🙂

is kudos really ernie?
wow, thats let the, er, cat out of the bag?

Don't forget to post your simple yes or no.

Only he'd rather you post no, as posting yes just upsets him even more.....

This whole thread isn't about the law or opinions yesterday, it's about trying to make people think of what is acceptable today.

Well it's about one person's rather extreme opinion on what's socially acceptable to them.......

Just trying to stimulate debate Footflaps.

Nobody seems able to answer my questions though: why should cat owners not be compelled to control their pets in the same way that dog, alligator or boa constrictor owners are?

Well it's about one person's rather extreme opinion on what's socially acceptable to them......

Find me three non-cat-owners who thinks its fine for cats to shit in their garden

gaining momentum. up to 13 now...

wait til this goes viral...

Find me three non-cat-owners who thinks its fine for cats to shit in their garden

One here. Any more?

Well it's about one person's rather extreme opinion on what's socially acceptable to them.......

Out of interest, do you object to dogs crapping in public areas?

Out of interest, do you object to dogs crapping in public areas?

Dog owners are fined if their animals foul in public.

Any reason why that shouldn't be the case for cat owners?

Any reason [i]morally[/i] why cat owners should feel it's acceptable to allow their animals to roam free and defecate wherever the fancy takes them?

Dogs, unsupervised, tend to crap on and near paths and in kids playing areas.

Apparently, in some parts of the country, cats do this too - but apparently not where I live...

EDIT something just occurred to me. I was always told cats bury their poo, and the one we had when I was a kid certainly used to do this in loose earth. Is this what's not happening?

I do wonder if people are taking kittens away from their mothers too early, so habits like this are not being taught? Cos tiny kittens sell better of course.

I suppose a cat owner couldn't object to being asked to remove their cat's poo from another person's garden, however hard to prove who's poo is who's. You can't really dust for poo....

EDIT something just occurred to me. I was always told cats bury their poo, and the one we had when I was a kid certainly used to do this in loose earth. Is this what's not happening?

Yes, some cats sh*t on open ground, some bury it in loose soil. The only loose soil most people have in their gardens is where they have a flower bed or vegetable patch - so the faeces is discovered when the soil is dug or vegetables planted/harvested.

Another problem is that some children like to play in sand pits. Cats just LOVE sh*tting in sandpits.

It's more to do with the fact that owners like their cats to sh*t in a litter tray rather than on the carpet during those few hours that they're actually in the the house.

So cats now naturally seek similar substrates in which to sh*t, meaning that anyone who wants to grow their own veg, have a gravel drive, or provide a sand pit for their children to play in will fall victim to these evil animals sh*tting all over their property.

It's more to do with the fact that owners like their cats to sh*t in a litter tray rather than on the carpet during those few hours that they're actually in the the house.

Don't think so - we never had a litter tray for ours. However, she was raised by her mum in the wild for 6 months.

It's the moles I feel sorry for...

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Don't think so - we never had a litter tray for ours. However, she was raised by her mum in the wild for 6 months.

Oh well, if you don't, that must be the case. I wonder whether you should drop a quick email to the manufacturers of cat litter to tell them that their invention will never take off... 🙄

Can see both sides of this argument. Gardenists; put a net over your precious garden to stop trespassing, turd depositing beasts. Cat owners; it's a bit hypocritical to say "It's a wild animal, it does as it pleases" and then moan when someone kills it as a pest on their property.

More to the point, why did you change your user name?

Cowardly behaviour.

More to the point, why did you change your user name?

Because the previous one is serving a life ban.

Wwaswas

That's a shit book.

Oh well, if you don't, that must be the case. I wonder whether you should drop a quick email to the manufacturers of cat litter to tell them that their invention will never take off...

🙄 yourself. I was saying they go in cat litter because it's like loose earth - not the other way round as you were saying.

[i]That's a shit book.[/i]

🙂

My kids loved it.

Not seen the 'plop up' edition before, though!

Is Kudos the arse that was Shibo****?

I'd rather my neighbours cat did not shit in my garden. Not having a cat litter tray seems irresponsible. It also drags it's fat ass over the fence in the same spot every time, and has already broken the fence topper from the claw damage.

My house is currently on the market so the above is pretty sub-optimal. I work all day, I can't sit there with a water pistol to deter it.

I do actually like cats but I get none of the benefit of actually having a cat but have to put up with cleaning up after other peoples.

Cat piss and shit smells horrible, and it's annoying if it's not yours.

I was always told cats bury their poo

The ones that visit me are certainly not consistent in this. It's about 50% between finding it immediately, and putting your hand into it in a flowerbed when it's been vaguely buried.

😉

zippykona - Member
Why is the onus on me to clear all the cat shit up, why should I have to buy every electrical gadget to make them try and stop?...

All you need is to buy a Staffie.

And a shovel for the cat parts you'll find on your lawn... 🙂

Until the law changes such that cats are no longer regarded as free range animals, I see little that can be changed here.
Whilst it is unfortunate, cats are just that, free range animals, so can do as they please. Much like foxes in fact. Foxes also tend to shit in gardens, but they also try and eat babies. Perhaps we could hunt them?

How exactly would you like us cat owners to control our pets? keep them locked up? Put them on a lead? Come on, if you're so dead against them being allowed to roam you could have the decency to offer some solutions? Or is that pathetic petition it?

Comparing cats shitting in the dirt to smoking in pubs is missing the point really. I don't tend to get lung cancer from passive shitting, not do I have to wash my clothes / hair etc after standing next to some geezer puffing away on a couple of Bensons.

I was always told cats bury their poo

Probably by a cat owner.

Our front and back gardens are regularly visited by the wee ****ers and they do more than just crap. Expensive plants destroyed and garden ornaments broken. I think i'll give that antifreeze cat removal solution a go. Any idea how long it takes to work? Could they make it home to die in their owners [i]loving [/i]arms or will i have to hang their dead bodies from a lamp post for the owners to collect?

Whilst it is unfortunate, cats are just that, free range animals, so can do as they please. Much like foxes in fact.

If they were much like foxes, people wouldn't house and feed them.

How exactly would you like us cat owners to control our pets? keep them locked up? Put them on a lead?

Neither of these solutions seems [i]entirely[/i] insane. You keep a kitten indoors before it's had its jabs after all.

People have mastered the concept of a "house rabbit" (although they seem pretty pointless tbh). I'm not clear that rabbits are intrinsically less wild than cats are.

😉

Well... 4 pages here. 13 signatories on the petition. Looks like democracy is well & truly in action.

Only another 99,987 more people needed and this will really get some political traction!

What a sad place this is, sometimes.

How exactly would you like us cat owners to control our pets? keep them locked up?

Mostly I'd say that that's the problem of those who want to keep them. My terrier as a kid used to like to roam around and would have been perfectly happy to be allowed to come and go as a cat is however that's not accepted. We went to massive lengths to prevent it escaping from our back garden because it was a choice between that and having to keep the dog indoors.

I have to wash my clothes / hair etc after standing next to some geezer puffing away on a couple of Bensons.

Whereas standing in cat shit on your patio or running it over with the mower produces only the odour of summer meadows? There are also potential health impacts from exposure to cat shit.

Why can't cat owners net off their garden to keep their cats in rather than others having to protect theirs?

Probably by a cat owner.

No, actually by my Dad, who at the time had never owned a cat. When we got one, it always buried its poo - we saw it, and we knew where its favourite spot was - in our garden.

Cats shitting in other people's gardens is not universal. I wonder why, and if anything can be done about it?

How exactly would you like us cat owners to control our pets? keep them locked up? Put them on a lead? Come on, if you're so dead against them being allowed to roam you could have the decency to offer some solutions? Or is that pathetic petition it?

Absolutely, to both of those suggestions. As an absolute minimum this should be law, the same as it is for dogs or any other domestic animal that us capable of killing or causing damage to property. Why on earth is this not the case??

Also, the law needs changing so it is not a crime to protect your property, and the animals/birds - wild or otherwise - that dwell therein from these animals by killing them humanely if they trespass and harm or worry livestock. Same as it is for dogs.

There's a bridge somewhere, it may have a cat on it, it may have some cat shit on it. But one thing it sure as he'll hasn't got is its troll underneath.

As you were.....

How exactly would you like us cat owners to control our pets? keep them locked up? Put them on a lead? Come on, if you're so dead against them being allowed to roam you could have the decency to offer some solutions? Or is that pathetic petition it?

Just the same as we now expect dog owners to do, that's all. You chose the pet, you deal with the responsibilities that that involves.

Almost every day in my job, I have to deal with many sad, paranoid, & sometimes deranged individuals, who seem to have nothing better to do than occupy some sort of self- perceived moral high ground, criticising the lives of others & calling for the intervention of the law/ council/ or whatever other agency. I frequently have the overwhelming desire to suggest they "GET A F$*%G LIFE", however if I did this I would lose my job. On this forum however, I feel this sentiment is entirely appropriate. Don't get me started on irresponsible tree owners, dropping their evil seed in my garden, dripping sap on to my windscreen .........

IIRC at the start of this thread the petition had 11 signatures it now has 13. That's 2 more - which is less than the number of people who have expressed sympathy with the petition.

So unless they had all previously signed the petition, very unlikely I imagine, it means that even the punters who have expressed support and have apparently strong feelings on the matter can't be arsed to sign it.

Come on lads, get your fingers out - you need 100,000 signatures to trigger a Commons debate. Chop chop.

Haha! I actually agree with everything Ernie has said up to now.
Very rare.

Almost every day in my job

What kind of work can a guy who thinks trees are the same as cats get these days? Human Resources middle management?

it means that even the punters who have expressed support and have apparently strong feelings on the matter can't be arsed to sign it.

People who don't like cats want them dead so unless 'responsible ownership of cats' is another way of saying 'stop all cats breathing' then we're not signing.

Kudos you seem to be very upset about protected birds and other wildlife...

Tell me, what do you eat?
What is powering your computer?
What is heating your house?

Humans are responsible for the destruction of far more species than any moggy. Can I shoot you?

Foxes don't eat babies.

Unfortunately they don't even attack cats if the three in my garden are anything to go by.

Any reason why that shouldn't be the case for [s]cat[/s] horse owners?

Must be a kilo or two per defecation out of the back of the average hayburner .

Gardenists willingly pay to put this stuff on their roses, maybe there is a market for catpoo ? After all, its often the finest ingredients going in to the cat so it must be good stuff coming out the back...

Nice to see your back kudosleth. We haven't missed you baby.

You can't use poo from carnivores as fertilizer.

maybe there is a market for catpoo

For putting into peoples' food you want to kill perhaps.

To go back to the OP. The reason the idea is stupid is that it is unworkable. I'm pretty certain my cat does it's business in our back garden, we have a couple of areas dug over for it and I see him using them. But can I say 100% that he doesn't sneak one out elsewhere - no, but I've had no complaints from neighbours - although one of their dogs used to get in our garden a crap before the fence was fixed.

So effectively, and I assume you are not an idiot and know this, you are saying that all cat ownership should be banned. If so man up and just say it and support that case rather than propose unachievable, un-enforceable and expensive regulation

For all those cat shooters and poisoners. Do you understand the difference between pets and livestock for food or even wild animals. The point about pets is that there is an empathetic bond between owner and pet that is why people generally think that killing pets (or indeed being cruel to them) is abhorrent and is illegal. Whereas killing (livestock and game) animals for food is generally considered moral. Can you not see the difference between the rabbit ownef by the 6 year old kid and the one in the field trapped for dinner. If you can't then there is a clinical diagnosis....

For all those cat shooters and poisoners. Do you understand the difference between pets and livestock for food or even wild animals. The point about pets is that there is an empathetic bond between owner and pet that is why people generally think that killing pets (or indeed being cruel to them) is abhorrent and is illegal.

But if it was a dog running amok, the owner would be held accountable. Can you not see the difference?

Your pet is exactly that... YOUR pet, not mine. To me, it's just vermin.

But if it was a dog running amok, the owner would be held accountable. Can you not see the difference?

But you could not shoot it except in some very restricted circumstances to do with harm to livestock - not just because it was in your back garden. And that part of the law only exists because dogs can be a harm to livestock.

Your pet is exactly that... YOUR pet, not mine. To me, it's just vermin

I think you've just made my point for me - the inability to feel empathy with other people's empathy...

I keep a close eye on where my cat is whilst I am on this forum :

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Turner guy. How the hell did you train it not to lie ON the keyboard?!

I keep a close eye on where my cat is whilst I am on this forum

Joking aside, if more people who were "anti-cat" made their views known, more cat owners might keep a close eye on their cats. Which is essentially what we want...

I think you've just made my point for me - the inability to feel empathy with other people's empathy...

Backatcha sunshine. You're unable to empathise with my viewpoint that your cat is vermin, a danger to protected wild bird species, and should be exterminated if it enters my property. You sir, are clearly a sociopath!

Turner guy. How the hell did you train it not to lie ON the keyboard?!

he was - I just moved the keyboard to the side a bit until the keys were freer.

Now I have put one of those inflatable airplane pillows (J-Pillow) to the side and coaxed his head onto that, so all is well 🙂

New kitten - 16 weeks old - got him on Monday after putting his predecessor to sleep on Thursday 🙁 Very different though, so no tainting of memories, etc.

WAAIT A MINUTE!

Cougar - Moderator

More to the point, why did you change your user name?

Because the previous one is serving a life ban.

I though multiple logins were banned?!

They are.

He got lucky in that we decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he behaved himself. Those concessions are most certainly coming to a middle, I fear.

I've behaved perfectly well... (See? I even resisted the urge to type "purrfectly...)

Some people seem to think my posts are "trolling", just because my views are at the opposite end of the spectrum to their own. Personally, I find it morally abhorrent that people release cats into our environment, free to run amok, defecating in children's sandpits, killing protected wild species etc, etc, etc.

However, I don't complain to the moderators whenever someone posts a picture of a cat. And there have been some rather militant "pro-cat" views expressed on this forum, and I don't just mean on this thread.

The problems I've come up against in the past is that the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.

Sadly, this stifles debate, which is after all, the purpose of this forum.

No argument should be settled by someone playing the empathy card completely unchallenged, and whilst cat owners might find my views challenging, there are others who agree, wholly or in part.

the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.

If that was true then I'd have closed this thread four pages ago and deleted your account on spec about a month back when I worked out who you were.

I can't speak for the other moderators' opinions but the reason I [i]haven't[/i] closed this thread yet is because I value freedom of speech and discussion over my own personal viewpoint. To wit, if we all closed every thread we didn't personally like, this place would be a much worse place for it.

Fair enough Cougar, thanks for your moderate viewpoint. Let's hope other moderators exercise similar restraint on any other subjects that might polarise opinion.

Well, no-one else has closed it either. And unfortunately, you're still here too. So I wouldn't complain too loudly if I were you.

the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.

Haven't you been banned for life because their views are diametrically opposed to your own?

I think the OP needs to employ a relocation service 🙂