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"I find a little bit of peace and hopefully a bit of guidance," he added.
Anybody who needs guidance from an imaginary friend shouldn't be allowed out on their own, never mind being in charge of the frigging country!
Article here
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26986002
he says: "Easter is not just a time for Christians across our country to reflect, but a time for our whole country to reflect on what Christianity brings to Britain."
I wonder how many Muslims will be doing that, then.
He speaks of the "countless acts of kindness" carried out every day across the UK by "those who believe in and follow Christ".
Probably as many as those who don't. Far as I'm aware "being kind" and "following Christ" are not codependent.
I find it difficult to believe Cameron has any genuine religious beliefs but somebody in Central Office must have worked out the demographics for this move. I'd be interested in seeing their workings.
a time for our whole country to reflect on what Christianity brings to Britain
Is it bad that many of my "reflections" on that matter involve swear words?
I find it difficult to believe Cameron has [s]any genuine religious beliefs..[/s] a soul
FTFY 😉
Given the importance of Jesus in Islam, quite a few Muslims take an interest.
Usual anti-religious fervour being whipped up, like the religion in schools thread.
Anyone who casually dismisses someone elses views as being inferior to their own - religious or not - is arguably blinkered and intolerant.
Every time I look at the Daves Tory party, and their inclusive and caring policies, particularly towards the more disadvantaged in society, I'm humbled by their spirit of benevolence
God bless 'em
He's only saying it to copy Blair.
Who wants an Easter egg?
Well hop off and get your own! Nom, nom, nom
More politicians should follow Jesus example
i.e. we should nail 'em up
A pagan festival about new life gets co-opted by the Church to represent a zombie which then gets co-opted by chocolate companies who use egg laying rabbits to deliver obesity and diabetes to the nation.
Right, that's my reflecting done. Who is next?
the importance of Jesus in Islam
Except they do not believe he was killed or resurrected so they will no more be interested in easter than they will be in Christmas as they dont follow his corrupted message to his people but the one true word of god given by the prophet, Mohammed etc
Basically if you are suggesting Muslims will be thinking about Easter then that is not true.
Anyone who casually dismisses someone elses views as being inferior to their own - religious or not - is arguably blinkered and intolerant.
Could you remind us what it is they say happens to those who dont belive their big book and choose not to follow?
Do you think they consider it to be wrong, immoral and inferior to their beliefs
PS I am happy to say Hitlers views were inferior to my view of mutual respect and tolerance...I hope you can forgive my blinkered intolerance of the genocidal racist
😆 @ Graham S
This was my favourite -
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-claims-jesus-invented-the-big-society--he-is-just-continuing-gods-work-9250449.html ]Just continuing God's work[/url]
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If only Cameron was imaginary.
Basically if you are suggesting Muslims will be thinking about Easter then that is not true.
Well.. they might well be thinking about what chocolate egg to buy - which is probably what 98% of the UK population genuinely "reflect on" at Easter. 😀
Jesus invented the Big Society 2,000 years ago,” Mr Cameron said. “I just want to see more of it.”
Yes no one helped anyone before Jesus...god bless him
“It is the case that Christians are now the most persecuted religion around the world,”
Why do all groups choose to look at their persecution rather than the persecution they do? Women bishops or gays in various countries for example..perhaps their long and illustrious history of oppression etc
Amusingly where they are persecuted it is by other religious groups so it sort if prove the point it the religious who are the nutters.
Anyone who casually dismisses someone elses views as being inferior to their own - religious or not - is arguably blinkered and intolerant.
Surely these people's views are not blinkered and intolerant, but rather are just as valid as your own? Only, the alternative would be that in casually dismissing their opinion as inferior to yours here you're a massive hypocrite.
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Their book is a load of piffle, and I am not a believer.
However, I have had to attend various religious ceremonies over the years, mainly christian church services.
I have never heard a sermon or message delivered that suggested intolerance or damnation for non-believers, services of all faiths that I have attended have focused on the principle of being nicer to each other, if you'll excuse the oversimplification, which is not a bad message to put out, regardless of any supposed heavenly reward. To imply that all religious belief is somehow wrong strikes me as rather missing the point of the various assorted flavours of fairy stories involved.
Early post to invoke the Hitler rule, fair play 😉
More politicians should follow [s]Jesus [/s] [b]the Romans[/b] examplei.e. we should nail 'em up
It was the Romans doing the nailing and look how badly society has gone wrong since they stopped!
Jesus invented [s]the Big Society[/s] [b]fiddling expenses[/b] 2,000 years ago,” Mr Cameron said. “I just want to see more of it.”
FIFY
Jesus invented the Big Society 2,000 years ago,” Mr Cameron said. “I just want to see more of it.”
Wasn't it 2000 years ago, the last time anyone mentioned the 'Big Society'?
"Easter is not just a time for Christians across our country to reflect, but a time for our whole country to reflect on what [s]Christianity [/s] co-optoed pre-christian paganism brings to Britain."
FTFH.
Looking out for the richest in society and shafting the poor and vulnerable - pretty sure that was what Jesus stood for wasn't it?
[i]I have never heard a sermon or message delivered that suggested intolerance or damnation for non-believers[/i]
Er, maybe a bit of historical research is in order then..
As for Cameron, he's just doing what a lot of other cockends do - sucking up to his boss
Early post to invoke the Hitler rule, fair play
It was entirely deliberate and can never be played too early on theses threads
Its the great conundrum of religion - it can be brilliant and tolerant /follow the golden rule or it can be all fire and brimstone from a wrathful god
they tend to focus on the nicer bits in church but it is not hard to find example in the books of god/allah whomever doing bad stuff nor the followers doing bad stuff even today.
Apparently, according to the bible, it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. As Dave regularly reminds his friends in the City when they're round at his house for 'kitchen suppers'
It is the case that Christians are now the most persecuted religion around the world,”
Where are all of these Christians being boxxed into an arid coastal region to then have guided bombs dropped on them by Israeli F-15E's?
Christianity despite assertations to the contary, still appears to be a tool for claiming victimhood and identifying a common enemy.
Christianity despite assertations to the contary, still appears to be a tool for claiming victimhood and identifying a common enemy.
Sounds like any / all religions...
More politicians should follow Jesus the Romans examplei.e. we should nail 'em up
It was the Romans doing the nailing and look how badly society has gone wrong since they stopped!
No, they should follow the Jesus example and be nailed, we should follow the Roman example and do the nailing.
Unnecessary pedantry backatchya!!
DezB - I was talking about my personal experiences, I'm well aware of the perils of zealotry.
Seems to me that many people can't see the wood for the trees with religion, and too many, probably rightly, focus on the damage that it has caused when used as a reason to justify political or geographical expansion throughout the ages.
Like all things it can be a force for good. Ghandi for example, Martin Luther King as well. Also amazing acts of forgiveness I could not do were it my loved ones.
However more often it is used as a means of persecuting folk who dont agree with you be it blasphemy or a heliocentric world
Now their power wains to hear them , after centuries of oppressing dissenting voices, argue for tolerance whilst portraying themselves as victims is frankly laughable.
At worst atheists want to marginalise them whilst pointing and laughing rather than kill them
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Christianity despite assertations to the contary, still appears to be a tool for claiming victimhood and identifying a common enemy.
Absolutely the communities talked about in [url=Christianity despite assertations to the contary, still appears to be a tool for claiming victimhood and identifying a common enemy.]this article[/url] need to MTFU.
mefty in an all too familiar to me C&P error, wanna try again?
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[url=http: http://theweek.com/article/index/255403/the-worlds-most-ancient-christian-communities-are-being-destroyed-mdash-and-no-one-cares ]this article[/url]
[url= http://theweek.com/article/index/255403/the-worlds-most-ancient-christian-communities-are-being-destroyed-mdash-and-no-one-cares ]here you go mate[/url], hate to see a guy struggle 🙂
ta, didn't know second attempt didn't work
As Alan himself said: "Never insult Muslims, ever! Christians? Yes. Jews? A bit. But never Muslims"
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A week early, but who cares?
A week early, but who cares?
Wrong as well, he comes back the day before.
Linking the big society to Jesus is a bit rich IMO. JC would have clearly been a proper bleeding heart lefty and seen straight through the hijacking of christian (and indeed other folks/religions/communities) principles of compassion and forgiveness as a shallow excuse to absolve the government of as much responsibility as possible for its most vulnerable and voice-less citizens.
If cameron is the christian he claims to be, he must be rehearsing a pretty hefty deathbed confession/absolution!
so that's 2 more things i won't be taking any notice of from call me dave.
funny how he get's religion but shafts the poor/vulnerable in society 😡
It is a bit hard to imagine Jesus voting Tory isn't it. I can imagine the scene would be a bit more like this:
Struggling to see anything objectively wrong with what Cameron said, or his right to say it. The comments in this thread on the other hand...let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Also Tom_W1987 you might want to consider Christians in Egypt, the Sudan, and most muslim states in the Middle East before you conclude that it's all really the fault of the Jews.
Also Tom_W1987 you might want to consider Christians in Egypt, the Sudan, and most muslim states in the Middle East before you conclude that it's all really the fault of the Jews.
You might want to consider the mur....oh I'm sorry...collateral damage...caused by the west and compare those statistics to all the 9/11 victims and Christian persecution victims in the middle east.
You will find that one massively dwarfs the other.
Brown people only count if they're Christian though.
OK while I can see your point, these guys aren't being targeted because they're muslims. They're not really being targeted at all. So if you're going to talk about "religious persecution", it's not really relevant.
I think the wider point there is that obsessing about religious persecution is just a way of ignoring enormous amounts of harm and treating some abuse like it's somehow worse because it's inspired by religion.