[Closed] Burning Poppies

Who's they? Who's burnt poppies?

Google Burning Poppies It happened in West London
I heard even the BBC never broadcasted it?

grill, baked or fried, they taste crap even when you cook 'em properly. The mistake is to have police supervision rather than a qualified chef, d'oh!

I imagine that it's a very confusing tradition if you're originally from an opium growing region.. very confusing indeed..

So what if they burn poppies ?

Next you'll be outraged over cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad.

I heard even the BBC never broadcasted it?

Good, then hopefully whoever it was failed to achieve what they set out too.

Make a change from them growing them then! Just says it all about the fundamentalist scum we have in this country who do it for what...in the name of islam pish!

Is burning paper flowers an offence in the UK?

druidh: I don't believe it is, but there are aspects of Public Order legislation which could apply...behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, outraging public decency etc

It's inciting hatred .If we did it to them or burned pictures of their imaginary friend in the sky we would probably be arrested

Imagine we burned a prayer matt? Its only a piece of cloth after all.

Also the guy holding a sign saying "soldiers burn in hell" - how is that different to a man saying on twitter that someone should be stoned. This country is a joke.

I have to admit that I find it an absolutely repulsive thing to do, especially on Armistice Day. It's mind-boggling that these people fail to see that the reason they have the right to do what they did is because countless thousands of Allied soldiers died for that freedom.

Certainly wouldn't bother me if they were tracked down and given a good kicking, but this is almost exactly the reason the scum such as the BNP continue to proliferate.

It's inciting hatred

It seems to be provoking hatred too. Why don't we just call it even and move on?

This is, apparently, a free country and the people we remember on 11th November fought to keep it that way.

I'm not talking about the wars that we are involved in at the moment, about which I am unsure.

Sadly, some people abuse the rights which were fought for to make points which may not be valid. They have the right to do this, but should exercise responsibility in so doing, which may not be seen to be the case here. Sadly.

it's not unlikely that these people came here from, or have family living in, a British occupied country.. you know.. a country that we invaded and thereupon proceeded to murder tens of thousands of it's occupants.. before attempting by force to impose our idea of fair play upon the scared and bewildered survivors..

what might then appear at first glance to be a celebration and show of solidarity for the efforts of our forces in these war ravaged poppy growing areas of the world.. might cause a little bit of frustration and disgust in some of these disposessed and war weary folk..

or.. as is being suggested they might just be a bunch of ungrateful aggy ne'er do wells being spiteful and malicious cos they're a bit tapped like..

who knows?

From what I read they sounded quite pathetic and sad in their quotes.

I think it would be better to play the bigger man, let them rant and then just get on with your day. Maybe we should give than an internet forum.

it's not unlikely that these people came here from, or have family living in, a British occupied country.. you know.. a country that we invaded and thereupon proceeded to murder tens of thousands of it's occupants..

They can't hate us that much to come here though and flog us curry ,papers or clean our floor though.Or is our benefit system that wonderful?

the afghans have been producing them for burning for years

They can't hate us that much to come here though and flog us curry ,papers or clean our floor though.Or is our benefit system that wonderful?

I think they process them first though

[i]a country that we invaded and thereupon proceeded to murder tens of thousands of it's occupants.. before attempting by force to impose our idea of fair play upon the scared and bewildered survivors..[/i]
I assume by 'we' you mean the UK & recently. So go on, name a country that the UK have invaded & murdered tens of thousands of it's people. Then show the proof.

Hah, excellent, the head of the EDL cleverly attacked a policeman in order to show his respect for our fallen dead.

So go on, name a country that the UK have invaded & murdered tens of thousands of it's people. Then show the proof.

If my numbers are inaccurate then I apologise but I'm sure that the people of Iraq and Afghanistan won't want to quibble over numbers either..

Shall we call it quits at saying that UK forces have been perceived to be involved in the deaths of more than 379 [i]or more[/i] inhabitants of both the countries I mentioned..?

A minority group taking an opposing position for the sake of being controversial? They'll be riding singlespeeds next....

They can't hate us that much to come here though and flog us curry ,papers or clean our floor though.Or is our benefit system that wonderful?

See, with comments like that, you just show yourself to be as ignorant and misguided as those you condemn.

Just a bunch of stupid angry tossers desperate for attention for their pathetic 'cause'. Don't get so worked up over them.

I'm more upset that I forgot to buy some eggs yesterday, as it meant I couldn't have scrambled eggs for brekkie this morning.

in the name of islam pish!

They're no more Muslim than I am...

Nor really just stirring the shit and being provocative

if you were to go to a mosque and set fire to a copy of the koran............what would happen?

Totally different, Ton, and if you don't know the difference, I suggest you go away and have a read up on religion and history and stuff.

Oh, and here:

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fred...i am just asking..not saying it is the same.

if you were to go to a mosque and set fire to a copy of the koran............what would happen?

yeah.. that's a way of looking at it.. 🙄

If there were tens of thousands of muslim troops with vastly superior firepower occupying christian nations by force across the globe then maybe.. just maybe.. a lighter view might be taken of such a polite and restrained protest as a burning of the koran..?

I don't know.. who does?

Irrelevant question Ton. Please try harder. 🙄

[i]If my numbers are inaccurate then I apologise but I'm sure that the people of Iraq and Afghanistan won't want to quibble over numbers either..[/i]
So now your'e saying that UK soldiers have 'murdered' tens of thousands of their people? Or not?
Well?

🙄 I'm saying that [i]some[/i] people living in those countries may feel that way...

think back to when the Germans wanted to impose [i]their[/i] lifestyle on other countries by invading.. how did those countries react?

EDIT: LOL at providing proof of casualties BTW.. which internet source are we gonna use for that..?

ton - Member
if you were to go to a mosque and set fire to a copy of the koran............what would happen?
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smoke alarm would go off

LOL Never heard of the EDL until this eve

but some people see it as very disrespectful dont they?

OK so we will leave the far east and have the will of another bunch of religious nutters imposed on us by bombing (as if cof e ) isn't bad enough at trying to impose it's views on everyone

Quite offensive and will only serve to fuel the hatred of the BNP and/or Daily Mail readers.

In the same way, invading a country under some pretense of promoting democracy, in many cases being rather trigger happy on civilians, treating inmates like animals, torturing, false imprisonment in foreign countries without access to any sort of trial/defense and in breach of the Geneva Convention will only fuel the hatred of people who are wronged under these circumstances and encourage them to fight back at the perpetrators through terrorism.

The first 15 seconds of this sums it up for me…

http://www.dalailama.com/webcasts/post/139-cnns-hala-gorani-interviews-his-holiness

See, what I find sad, is that [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/nov/05/muslim-soldiers-first-world-war ]the role played by Muslims during WW2[/url] is being ignored, because people instead chose to focus on sensationalism.

smoke alarm would go off

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not the ****ing dalai lama............ffs 🙄

can anyone remember a drama on the tv
tim curry and a girl in a car, near or at the seaside......with loads of soul music in it??

Ton, are you drinking Absinthe this evening? Or are you too clever and subtle for me?

not the ****ing dalai lama............ffs

did you even listen to it before spouting that or was it just ignorance based intolerance?

I'm no buddhist, but the guy is just saying we all want pretty much the same thing so it would be good if we could just get along nicely.

I agree that everyone regardless of race, colour or religion should
be remembered side by side has they all fought to save the world from
one person Hitler.

But to say to save Britain is Crap! Maybe a hidden message there.

They're no more Muslim than I am...

Good grief.

Remembrance Day is to commemorate those who fell in the World Wars. It's about as much to do with Iraq as it is to do with the moon landing, so quite what beef these protesters had, I've no idea.

Freedom of speech aside, Remembrance is a way of giving thanks to our way of life, that we all take for granted. Personally I don't necessarily agree with organised events like this (as I don't feel a need to be told how to mourn), but anyone who lives in this country should absolutely understand and respect what it means.

I do wonder, therefore, where we should be standing on our attitude towards people who claim they're 'as British as I am' because they were born in this country and yet still think it's acceptable to burn poppies [i]in the middle of a Remembrance ceremony.[/i] Presumably these are the same people who think that issuing death threats is a rational response to someone drawing a cartoon of their imaginary friend.

Cos y'know. I don't care what colour someone is or what their political leanings are. But I have little time for double standards.

did you even listen to it before spouting that or was it just ignorance based intolerance?

It's Ton we're talking about here; same old same old...

Fouck you are muslim???

Oh yeah, din't you know?

I wooduv thought the pork-eating and beer drinking, not to mention the [b]not[/b] praying five times a day was a dead giveaway. 🙂

I'm outraged by the un-ecofriendlliness of it all. Even the most apologist publication should boo hiss at the production of actual CO2.

I think they're a bit confused to be honest, as am i. I mean a group called 'Muslims Against Crusades' holding up a banner saying 'Islam Will Dominate', are they against crusades or aren't they? They don't seem entirely sure to me.

The other confusing part is that they burn't a poppy which signifies remembering all those that have died for, amongst other things earning the freedom to protest. They've called for those that earn us (and them) that right to protest to 'burn in hell'. And finally wasn't it us who were burning their poppy fields a few years ago in a bid to curtail the heroin trade? Now they're burning them? Is it some sort of Jedi mind trick? Or are they just a bit thick?

Oh, and people, it's just Anjem Choudhurys goons trying to stir up trouble again. T'was nice to read about one of his comrades being given a life sentence in Lebanon today (Omar Bakri - another comedy baddie).

papa lazarou............i know what you and the deity said......
but, it is boolox matey.
it wont ever ever happen will it.

Cougar - Member

"Remembrance Day is to commemorate those who fell in the World Wars. It's about as much to do with Iraq as it is to do with the moon landing, so quite what beef these protesters had, I've no idea."

From the Royal British Legion:

"The National Service of Remembrance at the Cenotaph in Whitehall is a unique expression of national homage devoted to the remembrance of those who have given their lives in war. It was originally conceived as a commemoration of the war dead of the First World War but after the Second World War the scope of the ceremony was extended to focus on the nation's dead of both World Wars, and in 1980 it was widened once again to extend the remembrance to all who have suffered and died in conflict in the service of their country and all those who mourn them. "

"Remembrance Day and the Two Minute Silence have been observed since the end of the First World War, but their relevance remains undiminished. When we bow our heads in reflection, we remember those who fought for our freedom during the two World Wars. But we also mourn and honour those who have lost their lives in more recent conflicts. Today, with troops on duty in Afghanistan and other trouble spots around the world, Remembrance, and this two minute tribute, are as important as ever. "

Now I'd not be so inclined to take the mick, had you not also said

"anyone who lives in this country should absolutely understand and respect what it means."

but you have to admit, that's pretty funny.

Cougar - great to see such strong views based on dross, you'll fit in well with the BNP, The Mail and all those others who are not quite sure why they are so damn angry at people they don't know and have never met....

Remembrance Day is to commemorate those who fell in the World Wars. It's about as much to do with Iraq as it is to do with the moon landing..

Time to check your facts and come back to us when better informed

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/we-will-remember-them/

would you look at that!

I wooduv thought the pork-eating and beer drinking, not to mention the not praying five times a day was a dead giveaway.

Elfin your full of it but on top form nonetheless 😆

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Heh! You like that one, innit?

I was out with a Jewish friend and her small boy a while ago. We had lunch in a cafe. She asked if he could have a little bit of my food, and I said 'yeah, no probs, but it's got bacon in it'.

She said 'D'you see a Rabbi anywhere?'

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I wooduv thought the pork-eating and beer drinking, not to mention the not praying five times a day was a dead giveaway.

Oh, and people, it's just Anjem Choudhurys goons trying to stir up trouble again

The media love Choudary, he issues a press release about his latest stunt and they cream their pants then lap it up. How many people does he have supporting him? 100 at most but yet endlessly giving him a platform gives him some kind of legitimacy and then people think he/they represent popular Muslim views.

****wits on one side doing these deliberately provocative acts with no message except 'get angry' which the willingly ignorant and credulous morons on the other side do. Choudary's aim of 'us' and 'them' is fulfilled.

you'll fit in well with the BNP, The Mail

Well, no.

I live in a largely asian area. My next door neighbours, on both sides, are asian. We get on well. Recently when there was an incident here, they were all very supportive for me. For the hard of thinking, I'll repeat what I said,

I don't care what colour someone is or what their political leanings are.

I don't give a toss whether someone's black, white, brown, or green with pink spots. That gives neither a reason for them to be persecuted nor a reason for them to get preferential treatment. Hardly a BNP view, though the knee-jerk race card is very Daily Mail, maybe you should take a look at yourselves.

So I was wrong about Afghanistan being included in Remembrance Day. Fair enough, I stand corrected. It came about because of WWI though, and the World Wars are what (I believe) most people are commemorating with 'poppy day'.

The rest of my post still stands though, I think. Is it right that people should be allowed to disrupt [i]any [/i]ceremony that's important to others? They want to have their own protest, fine, there's 364 other days to go at. Burning poppies on Remembrance Day is akin to gatecrashing a funeral.

****wits on one side doing these deliberately provocative acts with no message except 'get angry' which the willingly ignorant and credulous morons on the other side do.

Well put. Those morons are no better than the equally moronic ****tards of the EDL. Neither of them represent the overwhelming majority of what they claim as "their" people.

Lifer - Member

Oh, and people, it's just Anjem Choudhurys goons trying to stir up trouble again

The media love Choudary, he issues a press release about his latest stunt and they cream their pants then lap it up. How many people does he have supporting him? 100 at most but yet endlessly giving him a platform gives him some kind of legitimacy and then people think he/they represent popular Muslim views.

Exactly. I can understand people getting angry, but they need to take a step back, have a look at who it is that's doing it, and then ignore it, or he wins. He brings nothing but shame on Islam, sadly a lot of people don't see it that way, and tar all Muslims with the same brush. I don't know that many Muslims, but the ones that i do know are thoroughly embarrassed by him and his antics.

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It's easy to dismiss this and to shoot down those who are upset about it, however it is about respect, not religion or any other shite, the fact is a group of people decided to show a complete lack of respect for something that nearly everyone in this country holds dear. Only in this country (which is a good thing) would this be allowed to happen.

carbon337 - Member

Also the guy holding a sign saying "soldiers burn in hell" - how is that different to a man saying on twitter that someone should be stoned. This country is a joke.

So you believe in hell then ?

I don't have any problem with someone saying "soldiers burn in hell".......what do you think is going to happen carbon337 ? .....soldiers are [i]actually[/i] going to burn in hell because wants them to ?

It seems to me that some people are very quick to be offended. Funnily enough, I suspect that it is exactly the same people who are outraged when some Muslims are offended. In fact the same people who feel it is absolutely fine to insult Muslims.

This story exposes the idiots in our society. On the one hand you have a small group of idiotic Muslims who insist on trying to wind everyone up with their crass antics garanteed to make the tabloid headlines.

And on the other, you have a rather larger group, of idiotic bigots who respond with their utterly predictable and moronic knee-jerk tabloid inspired bollox, such as "I bet they're all benefit cheats".

If both groups of pea-brained idiots were to shut the **** up, then Britain would be a much nicer place. Unfortunately as long as the tabloids continue to fuel both parties, that is very unlikely to happen.

si............nail on the head mate... 8)

For the hard of thinking, I'll repeat what I said..

let me help

you said

Remembrance Day is to commemorate those who fell in the World Wars. It's about as much to do with Iraq as it is to do with the moon landing

and then said

but anyone who lives in this country should absolutely understand and respect what it means.

so who's hard of thinking?

ernie_lynch +1

a small group of idiotic Muslims

As I said, those tossers are as Muslim as I am...

As I said, those tossers are as Muslim as I am...

What's that suppose to mean............idiots can't be Muslim ?

I don't want to get into a debate concerning the level of commitment these individuals have towards Islam, but I reckon it's highly likely that they regularly go to their local mosque for Friday Prayers. That, as far as I'm concerned, makes them Muslim.

Next time, I would suggest a non exemption parade in the area for the parachute regt (all btns) and the royal marines (all cdos) serving and retired.
Then maybe burn some qurans, draw some cartoons of mohammed and maybe even call him a dickhead or something.

I don't have any problem with someone saying "soldiers burn in hell".

Thankfully, this dos not seem to have been given the air time it doesn't deserve. In the much the same way, those people who wanted to carry fake coffins through WB.

Nothwind points out exactly what rememberence sunday is all about - its pretty simple really.

Papa_Lazarou > I already retracted the point you're disputing, so presumably you're just being obstinate for the sake of it?

I think it's because you made the point that it was something people living here should understand, then demonstrated that you didn't understand it.

They are just stupid cowards trying to gain some publicity by being disrespectful with the burning poppy stunt, fact is they wouldn't have the courage to go to Afghanistan and fight with the taliban. There Just a rentamob full of fu*kwits.

not the ****ing dalai lama............ffs

Yeah, what a c**t!

I don't have any problem with someone saying "soldiers burn in hell".

[b]Would you have an objective to someone holding a banner sayin "I hope muslims burn in hell"? Only curious, like.[/b]

Well since you're curious........no, not really.

Obviously both comments are designed to be insulting and offensive, but I can't start frothing in raging indignation over them.

As I said, I would just like all pea-brained idiots to shut the **** up.

Unfortunately there are many people who simply thrive on being shocked and horrified. Which is why the gutter-press supplies them with so many shock horror stories.

I think it's because you made the point that it was something people living here should understand, then demonstrated that you didn't understand it.

So wait, it [i]isn't[/i] a Remembrance of The Great War (from nearly a hundred years ago) and World War II? Or, are you contesting that it's worthy of respect? You really think Remembrance day is all about Afghanistan? [i]Really?[/i]

It might have been expanded in the last few years to encompass current conflict, but (as I've already said) that's far from its raison d'etre. You stop anyone in the street after the two minute silence and ask them what they're thinking about, "Iraq" will be a small but directly affected minority.

But still, it's an easy target to labour on a technicality when that really wasn't my point, eh.

Cougar - Member
It might have been expanded in the last few years to encompass current conflict, but (as I've already said) that's far from its raison d'etre. You stop anyone in the street after the two minute silence and ask them what they're thinking about, "Iraq" will be a small but directly affected minority.

Actually, I'm not sure that's correct. I was thinking earlier this week that Remembrance Day seems to have crept back into the public consciousness a lot more in the last few years. The TV coverage is greater and there is a lot more discussion of it generally. My conclusion (based on nothing at all) was that it was related to more recent conflicts.

To be fair, you might be right. We're both speculating.