Mr Sunak has forgotten that Free Speech does not come with a free platform. One may say what one wants subject to not breaking laws that prohibit hateful conduct or safety breaches. One is not entitled to a platform to say these things nor is one sheltered from the consequences of ones free speech.
Muck around and find out Nigel, you're at the find out stage.
Not defending Farage in any way but I’d bet my house they have far far worse people on the books who they suck up to.
but they walk the walk, rather than talk the talk. I’m,sure they’ve got plenty of odious customers doing odious things but they are at least smart enough to do it quietly. It’s Farage’s mouth that’s harmful to the banks reputation more than actions. He ruining it for everyone else.
Not defending Farage in any way but I’d bet my house they have far far worse people on the books who they suck up to. The ones with a couple of billion knocking around in loose change
They are probably not usually so public with their ism's though.
Yeah, but Farage is way more fun when wound up, he's going all offended over this, which is great to see, can't believe he's still being given the time of day in this country after the debacle that was Brexit.
In a Twitter post, the home secretary, Suella Braverman, accused NatWest Group of “politically biased dogma”, claiming “the Coutts scandal exposes the sinister nature of much of the Diversity, Equity & Inclusion industry”
Have to wonder if she’s genuinely this stupid, or somehow imagines she’d be immune to the impact of a return to the 1950s social attitudes.
Not defending Farage in any way but I’d bet my house they have far far worse people on the books who they suck up to. The ones with a couple of billion knocking around in loose change.
Given the apparent tightening of the rules in April mentioned above, and Coutts being pulled up for breaching the old rules, they may not have as many dodgy customers as they did, and they must be delighted to be able to show they are dealing with undesirables
What I don't get is how anyone would know he banks with them, other than perhaps those close to him and those he might do business with. Would such a small number of people being aware he uses them really amount to reputational risk?
the SDP is the rump of the 1981 right-wing breakaway from the Labour Party
Same name, that's about it. The party currently using the name is a socially conservative anti-europe anti-immigration party made up of people who defected from UKIP and the Conservative party, not just Labour. Not so strange bed fellows for ReformUK, accept they are far less "small government" and are more interventionist, especially on housing, health and public vs private ownership of utilities.
Given the apparent tightening of the rules in April mentioned above, and Coutts being pulled up for breaching the old rules, they may not have as many dodgy customers as they did, and they must be delighted to be able to show they are dealing with undesirables
This is what I couldn't unpick from the PM's answers to questions at PMQs today. He kept talking about the rules changing, but I thought those rules meant that there would be MORE scrutiny by the banks of people of political interest, rather than forcing banks to handle their accounts.
Not defending Farage in any way but I’d bet my house they have far far worse people on the books who they suck up to. The ones with a couple of billion knocking around in loose change
thats the issue
Farage didn't have billions & with his mortgage ending they weren't getting enough interest off him to make him eligible for their account
Not so strange bed fellows for ReformUK,
Obviously you have a different opinion to mine but I reserve the right to feel that it is strange and ironic that the rump of the SDP should end up forming an electoral pact with Reform UK.
One of the principal disagreements that the Gang of Four had with the Labour Party's policies was over withdrawal from the EEC.
From the Limehouse Declaration:
"will strive for Britain to be shed of all isolationist and xenophobic attitudes towards the management of our nations foreign affairs. Hence, we support Britain’s responsibilities within the European Economic Community"
So yes, I think that it is strange and ironic that the party directly descended from the product of that declaration should now feel closer to Nigel Farage than the Labour Party.
I think a large part of this is linked to Farage's ego. He can no longer drop Coutts into conversation
OK he can but it will be an entertaining rant now.
The current SDP has nothing to do with the one formed by the Gang of Four
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990%E2%80%93present)
It looks like a political decision mascaraing as financial decision. If he is not financially viable as a customer just stick to that line, but to further justify their actions with some political related matters, the bank can only be seen as a higher/greater evil ... eviler ... LOL! (the link at this BBC news)
The current SDP has nothing to do with the one formed by the Gang of Four
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990%E2%80%93present)
If you had read your own link you would have seen this :
The current party traces its origin to the Social Democratic Party which was formed in 1981 by a group of dissident Labour Party Members of Parliament (MPs) and former Cabinet members Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams, who became known as the Gang of Four.
Which is precisely my point.
It's not the same party. And it doesn't have the same policies. Most notably it is an anti-immigrant party, and that's why it is chasing some of the same voters as ReformUK and an alliance makes sense to both parties. The SDP long ago formed the LibDems after an alliance with a party about as different to ReformUK as you can get.
Anyway, it was back to angry Farage on Newsnight, as they dared to ask someone else to speak not just him. Not worth watching.
And it doesn’t have the same policies.
LOL! That is obviously exactly my point!
A party which traces its origin to the exceptionally pro-Europe Gang of Four now feels closer to Nigel Farage.
Pardon me for pointing out the irony of that! 😀
It's not the same party. That pro-Europe party became the LibDems.
Link for Farage on Newsnight for the masochists: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001nxw7
That party became the LibDems.
No it didn't. The Liberal Democrats are a different party to the SDP. The SDP didn't include any members of the Liberal Party.
But apart from that you are completely right.
The nicotine-stained man-frog was just on Newsnight
I am enjoying the delicious irony of a free marketeer, who has spent his life telling everyone that ‘the market’ should be left to decide everything, without interference from government, then wetting himself when ‘the market’ tells him to **** off and then demanding action from government
Ernie, you're wrong.
In 1981, an electoral alliance was established between the Liberal Party, a group which descended from the 18th-century Whigs, and the Social Democratic Party (SDP), a splinter group from the Labour Party. In 1988, the parties merged as the Social and Liberal Democrats, adopting their present name just over a year later.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats_(UK)
Also, your selective posting is becoming REALLY obvious. You missed the following pertinent info straight after the bit you posted:
The original SDP merged with the Liberal Party in 1988 to form the Liberal Democrats, but Owen, two other MPs and a minority of party activists formed a breakaway group also called the Social Democratic Party (1988–1990) immediately afterwards. That continuing party dissolved itself in 1990 after finishing behind the Official Monster Raving Loony Party in a by-election, but activists met and voted to continue the party in defiance of its National Executive, leading to the creation of the current Social Democratic Party under the leadership of the candidate who lost the by-election.
So links tenuous at best.
If you're gonna troll or shitpost you need to do better.
Git gud scrub.
So links tenuous at best.
So you agree that there is a link between the party that currently calls itself the SDP and the Gang of Four then.
I have absolutely no idea why pointing the irony of a party which traces its origins to the Gang of Four having a very close relationship with Nigel Farage should be a problem for anyone. Apart obviously a need to contradict wherever possible anything I say. And in that respect a couple of people are very predictable, particularly you SK.
And as for "selective posting" what do you want me to post, the entire internet? Someone posted a link to prove that " the current SDP has nothing to do with the one formed by the Gang of Four", the very first paragraph of their link said
"The current party traces its origin to the Social Democratic Party which was formed in 1981 by a group of dissident Labour Party Members of Parliament (MPs) and former Cabinet members Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams, who became known as the Gang of Four"
So I obviously posted that. That bothers you?
If you’re gonna troll or shitpost you need to do better.
Always angry and quick with the personal insults, eh? And over the most mundane things.
Apparently Farage told BBC Radio 4's World at One :
"I have virtually no links of any kind to Russia whatsoever."
Virtually no links whatsoever? What does that mean?
I'm taking it as he definitely has links with Russia. Which given the present situation seems a perfectly reasonable reason for a bank to decline a customer.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66247057
Link for Farage on Newsnight for the masochists
So we got a different view to the narrative old fannybaws was putting out, and he didnt like her telling it straight, so at the end went on the personal attack.
Virtually no links whatsoever? What does that mean?
Snake oil salesmen talk. half truths, not or never the full facts.
I have
virtually nolinksof any kindto Russiawhatsoever.
Soooo, that then, eh Nige?
From the Oppenheimer trailer, on the risk of the bomb destroying the world. Seems to apply here, shame there’s no gif yet.
‘Near zero, what more do you want’
‘Zero!’
What I don’t get is how anyone would know he banks with them
In my experience*, people who bank with Coutts will tell you at every opportunity
*sample of one
In my experience*, people who bank with Coutts will tell you at every opportunity
*sample of one
The courts customers I have don't... Some are quite embarrassed by it. They have a range of customers, some you'd never expect.
NF is all over the telegraph today so expect the distraction to continue.
If NF came into my shop to by a can of bitter and a packet of fags I'd refuse him, based solely on who he is and how much damage he's done to my trade, same for Boris.
Virtually no links whatsoever? What does that mean?
it’s for the next news cycle when someone shows the links to Russia,your never getting the whole truth from weasel boy, this story’s being dripped out by hard done by man of the people (ex coutts customer)for his next grifting venture.
Farage himself admits that the Couttes memo mentions Russia 144 times, so it seems that it might have been the issue which concerned them most:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1681336956188344323
Opposition parties really should be hammering senior Tories for defending Farah's links with Russia. Which is precisely what they are doing if they are claiming that Couttes should not concern themselves with Farage's Russian links.
This is the most ridiculous nonsense and i can't believe the government is wasting time on it.*
Any business should be able to - politely and respectfully - decline to do business with someone they "don't like", provided it's not based on protected characteristics. Freedom of expression works both ways, and freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences.
*actually - what do you think tomorrow's developments will be, after the bye elections ?
and i can’t believe the government is wasting time on it.
When you're 25 points behind in the polls...desperate times.
They say my account is commercially viable
As exposed on newsnight last night, that's also a lie. They said his account WAS commercially viable but once his mortgage was paid off and security released (expected I think in Sept*) then it ceased to be viable.
* subsequently seems he paid it off a bit early. Why? Surely not to time a shitstorm in line with some kind of future grift... watch this space no doubt.
Honestly, the whole thing is a social media driven overhyped shit-can fire.
The only reason to have a Coutts account is so that you can say "I've got a Coutts account" to then in the same breath try to tell folks that you're a man of the people being crushed by Elites requires your audience to be monumentally hard of thinking, which I guess is why the tabloids are all over it. Jesus, the sooner he gathers up all his Nazi memorabilia and ****s off to bother someone else, the better off we'll all be.
I don't even understand why he would want to be associated with a bank for rich people, given his efforts to portray himself as 'man of the people'.
He used to keep his years in the finance industry quiet while moaning about the metropolitan elite, and he took every opportunity to create an image of 'bloke in the pub, supping a pint' with that stupid flat cap on his head.
Why now is he making such a fuss about being kicked out of a posh bank?
These people really don't understand how the world works, do they? Then get uppity when things don't go their way.
Why now is he making such a fuss about being kicked out of a posh bank?
Because what Nigel yearns for, is desperate for, more than anything else is to be part of the Establishment. That they think he's a ****, hurts more than he can articulate.
https://news.sky.com/story/coutts-bank-hits-back-amid-nigel-farage-account-row-12924062
"When it became clear that our client was unable to secure banking facilities elsewhere, and as he has confirmed publicly, he was offered alternative banking facilities with NatWest. That offer stands".
Mr Farage claimed 10 banks have refused to open an account in his name
So now 10 banks have refused to open an account in his name but NatWest, which as far as I know wholly owns Couttes, has offered him an account, what exactly is he complaining about?
That he wants the name Couttes on his bankcard not NatWest? He wouldn't have had that if any of the other 10 banks had said yes.
As far as I'm concerned NatWest have got their arse covered by offering him an account. Farage should show a bit of gratitude to NatWest for their kind offer, all the other banks have told him to **** off.
Why now is he making such a fuss about being kicked out of a posh bank?
Because it exposes him as being poor,he’s playing to two audiences, his rich circle of besties and Joe Public.
Seamless pivot to "They say my account is commercially viable" to try and shout over the part where the evidence he's waving about says he doesn't meet their criteria.
WAS commercially viable, until his mortgage ended.
It was clearly explained by this lovely lady in very calm and simple terms. I know it's edited down but in 2 mins he goes from 'normal' to sweaty, red faced and shouting WOKE!
It's being reported that Farage has received an apology form Coutts about the language used in their report about him. Still not going to give him an account tough and have repeated their offer of letting him bank with NatWest.
He's going to milk this for everything ye can isn't he?
He’s going to milk this for everything ye can isn’t he?
grifters gotta grift
Natwest have gone down in my estimation for the apology. They didn’t call him a disreputable grifter or whatever it wad, they said he was perceived as being one, and there's no such thing as a wrong perception.
Natwest massively down in my opinion for their use of language.
No mention of russian shill, or even to use the c word to describe him
grifters gotta grift
To be fair Farrage is desperately trying to remain relevant in the media, it seems to be working too..
Even the top article on the indy right now is "Coutts apologises to Nigel Farage in banking row as government tightens rules on account closures".
It's not like there's a climate crisis or Russian war or anything. No, 'anti-elite working man' Frog face has been denied a gold account at a posh bank.
