[Closed] Bringing back the death penalty..

Hobnob?

i would vote yes for the death penalty.

We could have a national lottery, £1 per ticket, winner gets to pull the lever live on pay per view TV saturday prime time!

Remember chaps, its forward thinking like this that will get the economy moving again 😀

We could have a national lottery, £1 per ticket, winner gets to pull the lever live on pay per view TV saturday prime time!

Remember chaps, its forward thinking like this that will get the economy moving again

with the clause, that the executioner gets executed in the case of an unsafe conviction.

Klunk - Member
We could have a national lottery, £1 per ticket, winner gets to pull the lever live on pay per view TV saturday prime time!
Remember chaps, its forward thinking like this that will get the economy moving again

with the clause, that the executioner gets executed in the case of an unsafe conviction.

Klunk - wouldn't it be better to apply that clause to the Jury? 😉

all convictions will be final... total proof will be required.

say like a police confession ?

Klunk - Member
all convictions will be final... total proof will be required.
say like a police confession ?

So what about the people who are just a bit guilty, you know the ones that have definitely done it, but it can't be proved?

Yeah, because DNA and video evidence is so reliable.

Where's that pic of the guy trying to explain something then giving up with his head in his hands?

I would vote for the execution of foreign looking types, committed bachelors with a fondness for musical theatre, anyone with a suspiciously large nose, guardian readers and of course anyone speaking out against our new policy of execution.

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I have often wondered what it would be like to discuss the death penalty with a class of kindergarten children. Thanks guys, for clearing that up.

Not that one, it's an animated one.

i'd bring it back for intolerant and knee jerk reactionary types.

I think it all started going a bit pear shaped when we turned a blind eye to blasphemers. Saudi has the right idea.

IanMunro - Member
So what about the people who are just a bit guilty, you know the ones that have definitely done it, but it can't be proved

Explain to me why it would help?
Is it meant to prevent crimes, or just 'get even'?

Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Stefan Kiszko, Stephen Downing. all Innocent, all would have been hung. Look 'em up

all convictions will be final... total proof will be required.

Yup - like in the cases above

Hang on now, no list of the truly evil is complete without Tom Cruise!

it should only be for people like Myra Hindley and Fred west etc the truly evil ones,

"Truly evil", eh?

So it's OK to kill someone whilst regretting it, then?

Corporal and capital punishments are symptoms of a violent society, not a cure for it.

So Ilovemygears - you are going to produce a new definition of " really nasty people who have been proven to be guilty really really obviously"?

Lets see some definition of this that would mean the people I mention above would not have been executed.

There will always be innocent people convicted. Would you be happy for your brother or your son to be executed on a miscarriage of justice?

Read upon Stephen Downing Its on wiki

brady
hindley
west
nielson
neilson (panther)
whiting
baby peters killers
soham bloke
mawdsley
ripper
crossbow bloke
bellfield
this list could go on and on if my memory was better

morgan

people that kill kids should die, horribly

Three_Fish - Member
Corporal and capital punishments are symptoms of a violent society, not a cure for it.

.. we are the most violent of animals.

Right - define that then.
How about people who kill kids by hitting them with their cars?
How about people that loose their temper and shake a kid and kill it?
How about the mother who has the baby in her bed and accidentaly rolls onto it and smothers it?
How about the parent with mental health difficulties who kills a child in despair?

I conclude that ILMG is impervious to rational argument and is capable only of repeating his shouty claims ad neauseum.

It is a waste of time casting pearls before this particular Gadarene.

I have often wondered what it would be like to discuss the death penalty with a class of kindergarten children.

The thing is, the death penalty is so [i]very [/i]final, and the problem with that finality is so [i]very [/i]apparent to everyone except the truly hard-of-thinking.

As there's little point in debating with the intellectual proletariat, because they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience, it's far easier just to cut to the chase and openly mock people who hold ill-conceived radical opinions and beliefs. It's a tried and tested way of dealing with capital punishment supporters, pro-lifers, theists, readers of the Daily Mail, folk who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but..." and people who ride road bikes.

ilovemygears

Lets hear some answers?

Would you be happy for people to be executed for miscarriages of justice? your brother perhaps?

Where do you want to draw the lines?

Lets hear some answers

Ton's just saved the country about 350k a year. (If the 10 I counted are still inside that is.)

we have been her before, have we not?

Actually, I'm in favour of the death penalty for spammers, malware authors, and Internet trolls. Cougar for Prime Minister! Who's with me?

Don't get drawn in TJ, this is clearly fatuous.

Cougar - Member
I have often wondered what it would be like to discuss the death penalty with a class of kindergarten children.
The thing is, the death penalty is so very final, and the problem with that finality is so very apparent to everyone except the truly hard-of-thinking.

As there's little point in debating with the intellectual proletariat, because they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience, it's far easier just to cut to the chase and openly mock people who hold ill-conceived radical opinions and beliefs. It's a tried and tested way of dealing with capital punishment supporters, pro-lifers, theists, readers of the Daily Mail, folk who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but..." and people who ride road bikes.

Would you be happy for people to be executed for miscarriages of justice? your brother perhaps?

Of course its fatuous hels

However Ilovemygears - do you have any answers to the questions I have asked? or actually are you just spouting a load of hot air over this?

If its a coherent argument than you must have answers to these questions.

I've voted for it, not because I think it will happen, indeed I'm sure it won't, but because as a trade-off it may result in life sentences that are longer than the current bad jokes.

Do you have children, if some one raped and killed one how would you feel, i expect the rights of the killer would be high on youre list!

Oh, I'd want to kill them, sure. But I wouldn't. Because it's the wrong thing to do. I'd really want to, a lot. But I couldn't live with the consequences if it later turned out I'd made a mistake.

Cougar - Member
Do you have children, if some one raped and killed one how would you feel, i expect the rights of the killer would be high on youre list!
Oh, I'd want to kill them, sure. But I wouldn't. Because it's the wrong thing to do. I'd really want to, a lot. But I couldn't live with the consequences if it later turned out I'd made a mistake.

Crossed posts - answer the question. Read up on Stephen downing..

Are you happy for innocent people to be executed - 'cos that is what will happen.

before we bring back the death penalty we could take a leaf out of this guys book

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

How a prison should be- chain gangs, prisoners forced to wear pink underwear, living in tents etc

We are the most violent of animals.

Not really. The big difference is that we can understand what choice is.

Ben - do you want to punish people or do you want to reduce crime?

There is a huge amount of work that shows what reduces crime - and its not harsh jail conditions and long sentences. If it were the US and the UK would have far lower crime rates as we have some of the harshest sentencing around

Come on ilovemygears - answer the questions.

you dont have kids do you?

No, I don't. So I can make a logical call as to what is morally correct without an emotional reaction clouding my judgement.

If I did, and I caught someone in the act, I'd probably kill them myself. But I wouldn't then be labouring under the misapprehension that I'd done the right thing.

TandemJeremy - Member
Crossed posts - answer the question. Read up on Stephen downing..

Are you happy for innocent people to be executed - 'cos that is what will happen.

we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard, i mean Fred West , and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!

If I did, and I caught someone in the act, I'd probably kill them myself. But I wouldn't then be labouring under the misapprehension that I'd done the right thing.

but killing them is the right thing

what would we have done with people like
derrik bird (sp?)
micheal ryan
thomas hamilton

who between them killed 50 people.

listen to this, this man needs to die in pain!

others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!

You really enjoy thinking about all this stuff don't you. 😐

and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!

You couldn't do it. You would defer responsibility because you could process what you had done. That is why you support such behaviour.

we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard,

What is it then? At the moment its "beyond reasonable doubt" thats the standard of proof required.

Now please define a new standard that means Fred West gets executed but the Birmingham 6 or Stephen Downing don't.

Three_Fish - Member
and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
You couldn't do it.

but killing them is the right thing

Thanks for proving my point. That's your emotions talking, not your brain.

murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!

TJ, harsh sentences are only such when you actually serve the full sentence and don't get released mid way through like the chap from the Baby P case the other day.

And yes, I do want to punish people.

Cougar - Member
but killing them is the right thing
Thanks for proving my point. That's your emotions talking, not your brain.

its the right thing as they cant do it any more if they are dead, they cant reproduce and pass on there dna.

You are a troll AICMFP.

I love these threads. They're the quickest and simplest way of working out which posters have an opinion that is worth listening to and which posters are to be added immediately to the ignore-as-they-are-ignorant list.

So no incentive to behave inside then?

You want crime to increase then? 'cos harsh punishment increases reoffending rates.

TJ, harsh sentences are only such when you actually serve the full sentence and don't get released mid way through like the chap from the Baby P case the other day.

ilovemygears - can we have an answer to te central point

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TandemJeremy - Member

"we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard",

What is it then? At the moment its "beyond reasonable doubt" thats the standard of proof required.

Now please define a new standard that means Fred West gets executed but the Birmingham 6 or Stephen Downing don't.

murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!

And you want to watch right? Maybe see some sexual violence inflicted on them too? Perhaps you could tape it and watch it over and over again. 😐

Out of interest TJ, and because I'd like to talk to someone with an IQ higher than a warm glass or water, you mentioned that (paraphrasing) there are more effective ways of discouraging crime. What are they?

So no incentive to behave inside then?

grum - Member
murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!
And you want to watch right? Maybe see some sexual violence inflicted on them too? Perhaps you could tape it and watch it over and over again.

any of you bloke having a two penneth on this thread got kids?
i know teej has not so he is exempt from answering.

can you imagine a bloke being allowed to live after he has been found guilty of and sentenced for sodomising and murdering your teenage daughter?

and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.

and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.

Answer me honestly: would you do it yourself?

Three_Fish - Member
and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.
Answer me honestly: would you do it yourself?

yes, yes i would!

kill him?
without a flicker of guilt.

yes, yes i would!

I wasn't talking to you, troll.

ton, here's someone who actually had their child killed, not just imagined how it might feel:

Then, in 1997, Smadar was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber while shopping in Jerusalem. She was 13. Peled-Elhanan declines to talk about her daughter's death apart from once or twice referring to "the tragedy".

At the time, she said that it would strengthen her belief that, without a settlement to the conflict and peaceful coexistence with Palestinians, more children would die. "Terrorist attacks like this are the direct consequence of the oppression, slavery, humiliation and state of siege imposed on the Palestinians," she told TV reporters in the aftermath of Smadar's death.

any of you bloke having a two penneth on this thread got kids?

Classic cop-out statement (or troll?).

Three_Fish - Member
yes, yes i would!
I wasn't talking to you, troll.

me? im not a troll...

we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard, i mean Fred West , and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!

😕

I can't believe you're allowed to vote

I have kids, if someone killed one of them, and the proof was overwhelming, I'm sure I'd like them to be dead. But I personally wouldn't kill them. Because that would be the point at which they cease to pay a price. I'd prefer to write to them weekly in prison, and drip feed their suffering until they die of old age.

The death penalty seems to be selected by the hard of thinking. There are always better deterrents and punishments on offer, they just take a bit of thought, and also can't expect to be a catch all for deviants and spontaneous acts of a deranged or troubled mind.

its the right thing as they cant do it any more if they are dead, they cant reproduce and pass on there dna.

So if they've already reproduced, we get to kill their kids too? And grandkids, if there are any?

Seems perfectly fair and reasonable. Excellent! Sensible policies for a happier Britain!

So no incentive to behave inside then?

You want crime to increase then? 'cos harsh punishment increases reoffending rates.

No incentives- it should be such an intolerable and frightful experience that they cry for their mummies and never want to return.

Any form of reward in prison negates the reason for sending them, if they don't leave realising that what they did was wrong and the consequence for doing it is something they would not want to repeat then prisons are obviously too soft.

The obvious solution is for society to identify and work with those most likely to commit crime at an early age to prevent them taking that path, however, thats not practical.