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We are the most violent of animals.
Not really. The big difference is that we can understand what choice is.
Ben - do you want to punish people or do you want to reduce crime?
There is a huge amount of work that shows what reduces crime - and its not harsh jail conditions and long sentences. If it were the US and the UK would have far lower crime rates as we have some of the harshest sentencing around
Come on ilovemygears - answer the questions.
you dont have kids do you?
No, I don't. So I can make a logical call as to what is morally correct without an emotional reaction clouding my judgement.
If I did, and I caught someone in the act, I'd probably kill them myself. But I wouldn't then be labouring under the misapprehension that I'd done the right thing.
TandemJeremy - Member
Crossed posts - answer the question. Read up on Stephen downing..Are you happy for innocent people to be executed - 'cos that is what will happen.
we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard, i mean Fred West , and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
If I did, and I caught someone in the act, I'd probably kill them myself. But I wouldn't then be labouring under the misapprehension that I'd done the right thing.
but killing them is the right thing
what would we have done with people like
derrik bird (sp?)
micheal ryan
thomas hamilton
who between them killed 50 people.
listen to this, this man needs to die in pain!
others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
You really enjoy thinking about all this stuff don't you. 😐
and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
You couldn't do it. You would defer responsibility because you could process what you had done. That is why you support such behaviour.
we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard,
What is it then? At the moment its "beyond reasonable doubt" thats the standard of proof required.
Now please define a new standard that means Fred West gets executed but the Birmingham 6 or Stephen Downing don't.
Three_Fish - Member
and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
You couldn't do it.
all i need is a drill, a funnel and some house hold bleach!
but killing them is the right thing
Thanks for proving my point. That's your emotions talking, not your brain.
murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!
TJ, harsh sentences are only such when you actually serve the full sentence and don't get released mid way through like the chap from the Baby P case the other day.
And yes, I do want to punish people.
Cougar - Member
but killing them is the right thing
Thanks for proving my point. That's your emotions talking, not your brain.
its the right thing as they cant do it any more if they are dead, they cant reproduce and pass on there dna.
You are a troll AICMFP.
I love these threads. They're the quickest and simplest way of working out which posters have an opinion that is worth listening to and which posters are to be added immediately to the ignore-as-they-are-ignorant list.
So no incentive to behave inside then?
You want crime to increase then? 'cos harsh punishment increases reoffending rates.
TJ, harsh sentences are only such when you actually serve the full sentence and don't get released mid way through like the chap from the Baby P case the other day.
yes we live in a country were you can kill a baby and get 2 years, yes what a ****ing civilised country were truly are!
ilovemygears - can we have an answer to te central point
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TandemJeremy - Member"we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard",
What is it then? At the moment its "beyond reasonable doubt" thats the standard of proof required.
Now please define a new standard that means Fred West gets executed but the Birmingham 6 or Stephen Downing don't.
murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!
And you want to watch right? Maybe see some sexual violence inflicted on them too? Perhaps you could tape it and watch it over and over again. 😐
Out of interest TJ, and because I'd like to talk to someone with an IQ higher than a warm glass or water, you mentioned that (paraphrasing) there are more effective ways of discouraging crime. What are they?
So no incentive to behave inside then?
nope so what they wouldn't be getting out any way.
grum - Member
murderess that involves sexual violence should receive death!
And you want to watch right? Maybe see some sexual violence inflicted on them too? Perhaps you could tape it and watch it over and over again.
nope it wolnt be sexual, just very bloody!
any of you bloke having a two penneth on this thread got kids?
i know teej has not so he is exempt from answering.
can you imagine a bloke being allowed to live after he has been found guilty of and sentenced for sodomising and murdering your teenage daughter?
and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.
and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.
Answer me honestly: would you do it yourself?
Three_Fish - Member
and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.
Answer me honestly: would you do it yourself?
yes, yes i would!
kill him?
without a flicker of guilt.
yes, yes i would!
I wasn't talking to you, troll.
ton, here's someone who actually had their child killed, not just imagined how it might feel:
Then, in 1997, Smadar was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber while shopping in Jerusalem. She was 13. Peled-Elhanan declines to talk about her daughter's death apart from once or twice referring to "the tragedy".At the time, she said that it would strengthen her belief that, without a settlement to the conflict and peaceful coexistence with Palestinians, more children would die. "Terrorist attacks like this are the direct consequence of the oppression, slavery, humiliation and state of siege imposed on the Palestinians," she told TV reporters in the aftermath of Smadar's death.
any of you bloke having a two penneth on this thread got kids?
Classic cop-out statement (or troll?).
Three_Fish - Member
yes, yes i would!
I wasn't talking to you, troll.
me? im not a troll...
we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard, i mean Fred West , and others that that rape and kill kids are clearly guilty and must die, in pain screaming in agony for hours!!
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I can't believe you're allowed to vote
I have kids, if someone killed one of them, and the proof was overwhelming, I'm sure I'd like them to be dead. But I personally wouldn't kill them. Because that would be the point at which they cease to pay a price. I'd prefer to write to them weekly in prison, and drip feed their suffering until they die of old age.
The death penalty seems to be selected by the hard of thinking. There are always better deterrents and punishments on offer, they just take a bit of thought, and also can't expect to be a catch all for deviants and spontaneous acts of a deranged or troubled mind.
its the right thing as they cant do it any more if they are dead, they cant reproduce and pass on there dna.
So if they've already reproduced, we get to kill their kids too? And grandkids, if there are any?
Seems perfectly fair and reasonable. Excellent! Sensible policies for a happier Britain!
So no incentive to behave inside then?You want crime to increase then? 'cos harsh punishment increases reoffending rates.
No incentives- it should be such an intolerable and frightful experience that they cry for their mummies and never want to return.
Any form of reward in prison negates the reason for sending them, if they don't leave realising that what they did was wrong and the consequence for doing it is something they would not want to repeat then prisons are obviously too soft.
The obvious solution is for society to identify and work with those most likely to commit crime at an early age to prevent them taking that path, however, thats not practical.
without a flicker of guilt.
I doubt that very, very much.
cougar - its more about preventing reoffending. Rehabilitation is what is needed.
Its really all rathe3r complex for this debate - its more fun to point out the massive holes in ilovemygears drivel 🙂
the jail population consists of the mad, the bad and the sad. they need different approaches. Giving them life skills both in terms of skills to get work and skills to help them interact with people in a "normal"manner.
Effective drug rhebilitation
Help with low self esteem
All the sorts of things that the daily wail hates "holidays for cons"
community sentances work better than incarceration does.
Read some of Erwin James writings
me? im not a troll...
That's worrying then... 🙄
any of you bloke having a two penneth on this thread got kids?
i know teej has not so he is exempt from answering.can you imagine a bloke being allowed to live after he has been found guilty of and sentenced for sodomising and murdering your teenage daughter?
and answer me honestly........would you want him to die.
But what would you give to prevent the crime in the first place, seems those supporting the death sentence are only concerned with revenge after the fact, and those supporting slow violent deaths seem to be closer to committing crimes of violence themselves.
Answer please
TandemJeremy - Member"we will have to make sure in a way that id 100% cant be to hard,"
What is it then? At the moment its "beyond reasonable doubt" thats the standard of proof required.
Now please define a new standard that means Fred West gets executed but the Birmingham 6 or Stephen Downing don't.
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The obvious solution is for society to identify and work with those most likely to commit crime at an early age to prevent them taking that path, however, thats not practical.
So how do you identify these people?
MSP, like any decent bloke, i want a sociaty where my kids/gandkids are safe, where my wife is safe.
but we do not have one do we.
and since the death penaly/capital punishment was abolished murder rates have risen.
go figure!
ton - you do know the murder rate is at a 20 year low? We actually have a very safe environment with a very low murder rate.
that was 30 od years ago, useing modern tecnoligy he would never have been convicted!
that was 30 [b]od[/b] years ago, [b]useing[/b] modern [b]tecnoligy[/b] he would never have been convicted!
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