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Could you be any more vague?
Look, just give me half your wages, and the impetus for you to change your life will be great. Let’s give that a go… oh, and if you have a car, give me the keys… it’ll be the catalyst for you to learn to fly a helicopter (let's just ignore the costs and hurdles you need to overcome to do so).
It makes no odds whether you could get those benefits within the EU, that’s gone
Why? What was the point of leaving if it were to get benefits we already had? That's not "change," that's "the same thing".
all thanks to some people wanting a blue passport
... which, lest we not forget, we could've had at any time without leaving.
The passport affair really is the ultimate irony, isn't it. We wanted rid of the burgundy passport, a colour we chose, in favour of the "iconic" blue passport that was imposed upon us by the League of Nations (and written in French). Meanwhile, let's remove our freedom of movement to other countries.
Brexit in a nutshell, right there.
OK, that's clearly too difficult for you. Let's try a simpler one.
"The catalyst to change. The catalyst to rebuild." Your own words.
What do you want to change and rebuild? How?
Cougar. It makes no difference why people chose to leave, that's done and dusted. I respect their choice.
You said yourself a few posts back that you wanted reform. That's still on the table. If we manage it, that will be a significant benefit of the brexit catalyst. That's change👍
Respecting the vote does not mean you have to give up on European integration at all, we need to use the opportunity presented to create a better society for all, not hate on your brothers and sisters for their political choices💩 show them and they will follow🐑🐑🐑
Trolling is so dull, it really is.
I didn't ask why people voted to leave. I'm very well aware of the answer to that question. I asked what the point of doing so was, seeing as you yourself now admit that we already had all those freedoms etc beforehand.
What do you want to change? Give us an example. That should be easy for you, unless I was correct in my earlier post that you took exception to and you have absolutely no idea other beyond the word.
Respecting the vote does not mean you have to give up on European integration at all...
That's EXACTLY what it means. The vote was whether you wanted to continue being integrated with the EU or to be less integrated. As you say, Leave 'won' so we have gone down the path of less integration with the EU, to undo that will be going completely against all of that.
You are dillusional and an incredibly obvious troll. Please leave until you have something constructive to say.
Kelvin, again your analogy has an element of truth. Change for the better often comes from perceived hardships👍
You said yourself a few posts back that you wanted reform.
I did, and I could give you a dozen examples off the top of my head. Which I would be more than happy to do if you can give us one.
That’s still on the table.
See that word "still" right there? So you admit that it always was, so what was the point of brexit? It gains us, seemingly by your own admission, absolutely nothing that we didn't have beyond "a catalyst for change" that you are unable or unwilling to explain any further.
Dropping a bomb on London would have had the same outcome, yay change?
If we manage it, that will be a significant benefit of the brexit catalyst.
If we manage it, it will be despite brexit and you lot will claim it as a victory. I've seen this movie before. You're talking about rebuilding whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that you demolished it in the first place.
Kelvin, again your analogy has an element of truth. Change for the better often comes from perceived hardships👍
If you genuinely believe that, give me your address and I'll order you a wrecking ball as a catalyst for change. Just think how nice your house will be after you've rebuilt it. Oh, and I'll need you to pay for the ball, sorry.
Cougar, I don't think you know quite as much as you think you do (well I know you don't t)😁
No reluctantjumper, the vote to leave is for now it doesn't stop the quest for open borders and doesn't restrict future European integration (European!)
Oooh, the changes I want to see, mmm, I would like significant political reform, I would like to see the rebalancing of wealth around the world, more empathy and understanding, open borders, open access rules etc etc, all sorts of lovely things💞
I absolutely believe that cougar (note, I said an element👍) obviously better if there's less sacrifice but I'm a big believer of the 'phoenix from the ashes'.
I've made lots of sacrifices to build a better society, my short term pain for the long term gain.
what sacrifices are they?
Cougar, I don’t think you know quite as much as you do (well I know you don’t t)😁
Enlighten me.
I would like significant political reform, I would like to see the rebalancing of wealth around the world,
... nothing at all to do with brexit then.
more empathy and understanding, open borders, open access rules etc etc, all sorts of lovely things💞
... by driving a wedge through the heart of the country, stirring up long-dormant racial tension, throwing a question mark over foreign aid, removing freedom of movement across 27 countries, removing access to the single market, pulling us out of ERASMUS and countless other institutions... Oh, and Ireland's looking likely to be going back to opportunities for an exciting catalyst to rebuild quite soon too, so that'll be exciting for them.
Working out well for you so far then? Brexit looking like it's going to deliver all those things for you, is it?
It can be a catalyst for change
I can be better
We can still reform
We can rebuild
Apparently we can do a lot of things that we either could have done in the EU, or only need to do because we are out against the will of the people who have to deal with the problems
This 10-20 year "short term pain" that you talk about @exsee is people's jobs and homes being lost. Probably 10s of 1,000s of them, possibly 100s of 1,000s. On top of that the cost of living will increase whilst wages and benefits will stagnate putting more people into poverty. As a Brexist are you happy to explain to each and every one of them how much better off they can be while they sell their belongings to put food in their kids bellies for a week?
I’m a big believer of the ‘phoenix from the ashes’.
... yet screamed "godwin" at me when I mentioned the last time this country had (literal) ashes.
what sacrifices are they?
And how is society better as a result?
This 10-20 year “short term pain” that you talk about @exsee is people’s jobs and homes being lost.
That's a very good point actually. It's easy to say "short term pain" like you've run out of milk. Hey, who knows, you might discover you really like black coffee!
The reality isn't quite so glib. You might be out of milk, someone else might be out of insulin. For them that's not short-term pain, it's short-term potential death.
Crikey! This is a different Cougar!
Presumably just the same one as usual, fed up with bullshit.
What do you want to change and rebuild?
I can answer that, as a remainer.
I want to rebuild society with fairness and progress for all in mind. I want public ownership of essential utilities, I want huge investment in education, I want wealth redistribution, I want affordable housing, a better minimum wage and an end to the need for in-work benefits and food banks.
We didn't need to leave the EU for any of those, did we? Because doing things needs money, and out of the EU we'll have less money.
The UK doesn't like to do impact assessment or GDP forecasts but the Euopeans are quite happy to. EU studies say both sides lose but as you'd expect Britain takes the bigger hit.
Even if Brexit only takes 1% per annum off UK GDP the wealth gap is going to become a canyon. Just as it did before the UK joined. We already know how Britain does outside the union: badly. That's why Heath was so keen to join.
The Brexiters I know used to be highly jealous of Germany's post war success, "we won the war and lost the peace". 20 years after joining the EU Britain was doing pretty well mainly due to inward investment thanks to EU membership and trade with the EU.
20 years from now the UK will be an insignificant, impoverished island, unless a miracle happens and it rejoins at least the customs union and free trade area. Expect to pay a high price for that.
I’m really angry about the know-it-alls sitting on their arses
As opposed to the know f-alls who voted for this disaster s a "protest" against the status quo when all it would ever do is benefit those at the top that orchestrated it.
I work for a pharma company -in the run up to Xmas our supply chain manager was having a rough time ensuring smooth receipt of material & shipment of finished product. It's a lot more hassle; paperwork & cost transporting to the EU than it was now. When he was discussing this with his Brexit voting dad, the response was "oh I didn't think it would have this effect".
How do you expect a tinpot little country like ours to do trade deals vs much larger countries?
I want to rebuild society with fairness and progress for all in mind. I want public ownership of essential utilities, I want huge investment in education, I want wealth redistribution, I want affordable housing, a better minimum wage and an end to the need for in-work benefits and food banks.
Bloody communist 😉
You'd think Molgrip's manifesto would be a vote winner everywhere wouldn't you?
And yet it only takes a few "bloody communist" headlines in the red tops and the readers vote Tory.
my short term pain for the long term gain.
Oh, I get it, you are either one of those youtube fitness instructors blurting out 'inspirational' one liners for the fat folk at home, or
You run a print shop and are trying to make up meme posters of of people standing at the top of mountains with 'inspirational' quotes, so that you can sell them to office managers when lockdown ends. Which could be a problem as their may be less office workers and offices around.
You haven't thought this through, have you?
Just being realistic peeps, nobody's offering a quick fix, both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
It doesn't matter why people chose to leave, I think I've said that before👍
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Empathy and understanding is needed👌👊
It doesn’t matter why people chose to leave, I think I’ve said that before👍
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Empathy and understanding is needed
Doesn't matter if you burnt your house down for the shits n giggles or if it was infested with cockroaches- you still don't have a house.
Make something better? When jobs are leaving the country & tax revenue is down?
What happened to the Ineos factory in Wales the Brexit backing Ratcliffe was going set up? Oh yes, Grenadier production is now going to France.
Understanding is needed alright for all the clueless numpties that voted for this over and above f***in daft comments you can pick off any cheap motivational poster.
nobody’s offering a quick fix
If we hadn't wilfully smashed it up ourselves, it wouldn't need fixing
Empathy and understanding is needed
Have you seen who's in power? I think those are two words we won't be seeing an awful lot of
10-20years princejohn as I already stated👍 have a read back and catch up.
10-20 years?! Really??? So this is all to benefit the generation who were at school & uni (& massively opposed to leaving the EU?)
Meanwhile those of us who need that 10-20 years to get a pension & retire are pretty much ****ed?!
& the benefits?!
Just being realistic peeps, nobody’s offering a quick fix, both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
That's only because for some reason Labour are afraid to mention Brexit being a bad thing.
Empathy and understanding is needed👌👊
Who are we meant to empathise with? People like me who can't get a job because there aren't any? People who are already realising their business isn't viable because of the extra costs and admin? People who are furloughed and struggling to feed kids whilst knowing their job no longer exists when lockdown is over? Or people who voted Brexit having no bloody clue what they were doing?
You’d think Molgrip’s manifesto would be a vote winner everywhere wouldn’t you?
And yet it only takes a few “bloody communist” headlines in the red tops and the readers vote Tory.
I'm sure there was once a party leader who wanted all that. Pretty sure he was hounded, derided and crucified on the altar of Brexit after being labelled a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite by a party who were proven to have lied in 88% of their advertising at the GE
How did he vote?
Pen to paper like everyone else I expect...
The UK doesn’t like to do impact assessment or GDP forecasts but the Euopeans are quite happy to. EU studies say both sides lose but as you’d expect Britain takes the bigger hit.
This is one of those things that really should be so self-evident that it shouldn't need to be explained (and another one handwaved by a soundbite, "they need us more than we need them!"). We were a bloc of 28 countries. They lost one, we lost 27. Even taking into account tinpot ones like Bulgaria that's still Germany, France, Italy...
How do you expect a tinpot little country like ours to do trade deals vs much larger countries?
Hah, I wrote "tinpot" above literally like a minute before I read this. *Scowls at Alexa suspiciously*
Pen to paper like everyone else I expect…
Are you here all week?
both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
And you believe them? Do you think they've got a good track record of both honesty and predicting events? If you do then you're dafter than I thought.
It doesn’t matter why people chose to leave, I think I’ve said that before👍
You did, I told you we already know this, and you sneered at me. You are reading your own posts right? You've not got your browser set to write-only have you?
I’m sure there was once a party leader who wanted all that. Pretty sure he was hounded, derided and crucified on the altar of Brexit.
He also spent his entire 'career' railing against the EU at every available opportunity, voted against every single piece of further EU legislation and called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately the morning after the referendum, so probably not the best person to flag up
Ta, Binners, I knew there would be someone else along to type that.
He’s going to lose his house, his boat and his livelihood, I’ll tell him that empathy and understanding is all he needs to get through this, perhaps you would be willing to say that to him?, it’d be the last words uttered from your mouth as he’d **** gut you with a scallop knife.
This exsee is this 'short term' and 'pain' you speak of.
Someone's life in tatters. Hard effort for years and years just thrown away because 'it is a catalyst for change'.
Repeat all over the UK for the next 10+years.
My own organisation is £300k down this year, and the next two through lost Erasmus opportunities. Perhaps you can tell my colleagues who's jobs are up at Easter that they are part of something 'better'.
I am still yet to hear a single concrete benefit or solid opportunity that Brexit brings that we didn't have already before while still in EU.
Please exsee - be specific, be clear - what are the tangible benefits of being outside of the EU, that we did not have before?
Or you are just the biggest troll and wind up we have had on here.
He also spent his entire ‘career’ railing against the EU at every available opportunity, voted against every single piece of further EU legislation and called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately the morning after the referendum, so probably not the best perso
Shhhhh... we only use history that shows us in a positive light. The Tories taught us that much
Or you are just the biggest troll and wind up we have had on here.
Unlikely, that's a ****ing high bar.
Everyone above is making most of the points I want to make to exsee, thankfully. I'm really struggling not to type out a proper rant at him, which is never productive, so I'll stick to this:
I lost my driving job in August. In normal times (ie not a pandemic) I could apply for jobs all over Europe but due to lockdowns etc I couldn't. Come the spring I would be able to do so as everything slowly opens back up. Except I can't as Brexit has now happened, directly removing my right to work anywhere in the EU automatically. That is directly reducing my opportunities to earn a living and buy a house, have holidays etc. So you might think I can get a job in the UK instead. Sadly Brexit has caused a massive issue with transportation into and out of Europe so recruitment is on hold or a lot of companies as they don't have the volume of vehicles going to Europe so all their continental drivers are staying in the UK and working here instead.
Both options for me to make my life better have been directly curtailed due to Brexit. If I have to wait the 10-20 years for the benefits of that to appear then I'm afraid by then I will be hitting 60 years old and well past the point where affording my own home will be a possibility. Brexit is directly destroying my hopes and dreams for my own home in my lifetime. I have friends that are having their businesses and employers finding they need to move operations to mainland Europe so that they can continue to trade profitably, costing the UK jobs and tax income. Thats people of my age (40) having the next decade or more of their lives put on hold or even regressing.
@exsee - Now explain to me how Brexit is good for my future please. As in now, not in 10 years time.
You’d think Molgrip’s manifesto would be a vote winner everywhere wouldn’t you?
And yet it only takes a few “bloody communist” headlines in the red tops and the readers vote Tory.
Indeed. They say 'well that's all well and good but it's pie in the sky, how ever would we pay for it?'
Other countries do it, how do they manage? Perhaps they're just better than we are? And then people have the gall to moan that public services are worse than other countries. FFS.
both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU
You should be able to recognise that this is a ridiculously vague and wooly statement, it's basically standard politican-speak and means nothing. But I think that you don't WANT to recognise that, you want to believe it.
Other countries do it, how do they manage?
By owning our infrastructure and profiting from it maybe?
Cougar :How did he vote?
How do you think he voted considering 90-95% of his catch was being served up in Spain within 24hrs of being landed?, Shellfish fisherman (mainly west coast) were not as ****ing dumb as the pelagic fleet (mainly east coast).
And whilst I doubt he really would gut you I imagine you would not be recognisable afterwards, £450,000+ in debt with no way to pay it off - yeah...he's pretty angry at the moment.
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Better than the worst case scenario that could result from Brexit in the first place? Maybe. But not by much if the current shower of bastards are still in charge.
Better than not Brexiting? In less than 50 years? Less than 5% chance. Brexit is a ****ing stupid thing to do. End of.
As for all that faux hippy wind up bullshit about empathy and understanding being all that is needed - utter glib trolling bollocks.
Someone brought up exsee's contributions to threads about BLM and other topics on ethnicity. If I find a bit of spare time I might have a bit of a trawl through. I imagine there are one or two spicy little titbits in there that confirm the picture I am forming in my mind....
@somafunk that is a truly shitty position for your mate to be in. But hey.... we'll have all the same benefits with no downsides eh? Fracking hell, I still can't believe 17.4m fell for that shit
ther countries do it, how do they manage? Perhaps they’re just better than we are?
Having met with colleagues in education all around Europe through Erasmus+ programmes, they are often not as 'better' as we think. The grass is greener and all that.
It also goes to show, that much of what we all want to be 'better' are answered through domestic politics and culture, not through cutting ourselves off from those who are going through similar challenges.
allanoleary : he's not the only one. Approximately 16 boats in our harbour, all tied up, biggest employer in our town is a fish/shellfish processing factory employing 100's, no one working. Alister jack got chased along the harbour last time he came here, probably just as well as he would be strung up.
@somafunk - our Tory MP's husband works in shellfish - I'm guessing he was a big Brexit fan as that's why she got to stand.
Would be interested to know what they think now - actually think not their public persona.
@somafunk - that really is the heart being ripped out of Kirkcudbright then. 🙁
Just awful, and I suspect we have many more such realities to come.
Indeed. They say ‘well that’s all well and good but it’s pie in the sky, how ever would we pay for it?’
I've been wondering this for a couple of years.
Brexit has, so far, cost us more than our entire EU contribution since we joined. Then we've got covid. Where the actual **** is the money coming from? Are we going to have to pay the piper at some point?
our Tory MP’s husband works in shellfish
What does her husband do though? If processing into frozen food, he might be on to a winner long term (unlike those doing the catching or fresh prepping).
Are we going to have to pay the piper at some point?
Depends on what you mean by "we" and "have to"...? "You and I" may well be "made to", judging by who the UK chooses to make such decisions for us.
How do you think he voted considering 90-95% of his catch was being served up in Spain within 24hrs of being landed?, Shellfish fisherman (mainly west coast) were not as **** dumb as the pelagic fleet (mainly east coast).
No idea, 's why I asked. Yeah, I'd be a bit cross as well. Sorry dude.
mattoutandabout : Yeah you know kirkcudbright and this area well so you can imagine what will happen to the town if this bit of a mess is not sorted soon - the entire town relies on fishing.
Depends on what you mean by “we” and “have to”…?
"We" as a country I meant, really. I understand less about economics than I do about quantum physics. We can't just fire up the printing press, surely?
Probably a topic for another thread I suppose.
Nice mod warning received for my comment on the previous page, im just expressing the mood and genuine anger at such a glib comment from exsee, perhaps I do need to show more "empathy and understanding" - is there a specific government empathy and understanding" reassignment and re-education group I could attend?
Probably a topic for another thread I suppose.
For sure. One for Dazh to run and run with...
im just expressing the mood and genuine anger
Understandable. But using the language of violence isn't useful, is it? And can escalate.
Forget about it.
is there a specific government empathy and understanding” reassignment and re-education group I could attend?
No, but there will be a highly paid, unqualified minister for it soon
Understandable. But using the language of violence isn’t useful, is it? And can escalate.
To he fair, somebody is deliberately baiting people severely hit by Brexit by glibly chanting "rainbows and unicorns are just round the corner, la-la-la". I think the attitude of the troll needs censure more than that of the trolled.
What does her husband do though? If processing into frozen food, he might be on to a winner long term (unlike those doing the catching or fresh prepping).
I thought he was an Oyster fisherman given her first speech in parliament -
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mp-cherilyn-mackrorys-first-speech-3893898
However given that her first speech was given a year ago - this website is interesting...
http://www.nickmackrory.co.uk/
Having met with colleagues in education all around Europe through Erasmus+ programmes, they are often not as ‘better’ as we think. The grass is greener and all that.
Of course, I've worked and lived in a few of the places I admire, and they aren't without issues. However, the fundamental concept of society is different, and whilst the execution of ideas may not be ideal, the will to give money for the common good generally is. This is a huge issue for me.
It also goes to show, that much of what we all want to be ‘better’ are answered through domestic politics and culture, not through cutting ourselves off from those who are going through similar challenges.
Exactly.
Can finally say this, but my 50% boss has decided to quit the UK, in no small part thanks to brexit- he's Italian, wife is Spanish & resented being forced to apply for citizenship in a country he'd made his home.
Will be taking his lab & research back to Italy
big blow to cancer research in UK
But give it 10-20 years 🙄
https://humantechnopole.it/en/news/head-of-computational-biology-appointed/
But surely an unemployed fisherman can just retrain to take over in that cancer research job? That's how it works now isn't it?
Not the first, not the last. Glad he has a new position that sounds like it's tailor made for him. Good luck to him. Sorry for all those impacted by his move away (and very sad about what it signifies as regards the changing UK).
Cougar
Full MemberPen to paper like everyone else I expect…
Are you here all week?
You were reaching for that hammer, weren't you!
Don't worry Somafunk, some of us know the difference between fantasy and reality and just smiled.
Whilst your mate is tied up a quai junior's mate who owns a restaurant on Ile d'Oleron is wondering where the hell he's going to get some of the ingredients on his shellfish menu from, if he's still in business after Covof that is.
I'd quite like some Scotish seafood on the menu and I assume you'd like Jurançon wines on the shelves of your local winery (you'd be teatotal or a fool if you didn't). So many losers in this sorry affaire.
Cost wise for my business due to Brexit is limited to 2 clients due to them moving IT services back to the EU value probably £35k or a salary....
£35k is not that much buy multiply it by 100,000 SMEs that comes to 3.5 billion per annum? 675 million a week or 130 million less tax.... each week
pondo,
It's not a unicorn, it's a donkey with a dildo stuck on its head.
10-20years princejohn as I already stated👍 have a read back and catch up.
Ahh a lifetime, the world can change overnight you may have noticed.
Could be a miserable lifetime for some but the greater good that future nirvanas gonna bring could do with a few more brush strokes to help us less imaginative types imagine it 🙂
Will there be giant robots in it.
It’s not a unicorn, it’s a donkey with a dildo stuck on its head.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Go on then, let's hear the positives, real, actual ones not just things that you've been told might happen.
I don't think I'm saying anything controversial at all. The rebuild is going to take time and effort, if you don't accept this then there will definitely be someone less altruistic along to capitalise on the suffering.
What's next is the important point, we can choose to help those caught up in the collateral damage or we can sit back and watch the poverty levels increase just like we did before brexit was ever mentioned💩
Just to flip all the silly questions and pretend outrage for a mo.
What's 'YOUR' plan batman?
I can't sort this on my tod. I will carry on doing my bit for society at a grass roots level but would happily get behind some bigger projects.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
We apply to rejoin the EU forthwith. Fixes all the issues we've created and allows us to have an internal discussion about managing our borders/immigration properly. Simple.
No what's yours, champ?
Seems you have little to gain or loose in this brexit thing exsee... "A typical" brexit voter i guess.
Anyway i am sitting in the "watch poverty rise" camp.
Current Tory Manifesto
The way to crush the working poor is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
Slightly modified Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Hope you aren't between the stones exsee
What's my plan? Typical European me, write off a small loss, pick up a few minor gains in car production, financial trading, real estate demand, tax revenue... shrug and sing "another turning point, a fork stuck in the road...".
Edit: for all those who want to rejoin I suggest a progressive approach. Customs union and free trade area first.
I think we'd all feel better if we just ignored the troll. He's doing pretty much exactly what he did a month or so ago. Calls us 'know it alls', makes vague gnomic statements about building a better world but gives absolutely no details. Everyone reacts and he's happy, job done. Let's just stop feeding him - please?
I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial at all.
No, just gormless. Which is a bit unusual TBH, I think you're the first one I've ever seen use words like "altruistic" and "catalyst," let alone spell them correctly.
Just to flip all the silly questions and pretend outrage for a mo.
"silly"?
"pretend"?
20 years of the country being screwed over, by your own description? And you think this is a ****ing game? You're trying to goad me into getting a ban, aren't you.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
My plan for me, or my plan to fix brexit?
For me personally, I'll probably be less affected than most. I've got a €50 note pinned to my noticeboard which I'm planning on retiring on.
For fixing it, not our problem Robin, it's yours. You created a situation which required a 'plan' in the first place, it's a bit late in the day to start wondering what that might be. The plan should have been in place and watertight before the referendum.
I've spent the last few years desperately trying to avert a crisis and been shouted down over and over by the "we won you lost get over it" brigade. I tried, it's too late now, I'm done. You broke it, you come up with the plan.
I can’t sort this on my tod.
If you came up with a credible plan you'd almost certainly garner support from both sides. You could reunite the country! What've you got?
Oh yes, we've already established this. Absolutely nothing.
I will carry on doing my bit for society
What's that, then?
So yet more non answers from @exsee. Nothing but drivel and droning.
Do you at least accept that "short term pain" means jobs lost and families being made homeless? Will you explain to them how it is worth it for what they will get 10-20 years down the line? Maybe even bung them a fiver to put towards a tent to replace the one the local council just scooped up and threw into landfill?
As for rebuilding.... we shouldn't have to. The leave campaign led by our current PM promised all the same benefits, in fact a better deal than being in a preferential deal better than any other EU member. Then as PM he spaffed everything up the wall. But hey, him and his buddies will be fine. They are wealth creators (takers/hoarders). As long as they can say GDP is recovering then rising all is good in the UK. Except it isn't. Because pretty soon hundreds of thousands will be jobless. They will mainly be made jobless from lower wage jobs. So losing 1,000 low paid workers' tax income will be no worse than losing 1 CEO job from a FTSE 100 company. The country can cope. But those 1,000 families can't. Poverty is going to get worse. Suicides will rise. Children will go hungry whilst mourning a parent or uncle or aunt. But hey, in 10-20 years their life in a tent under a bridge will have been worth it.
In the meantime with £7bn a week (correct me if I'm wrong) in City trade being lost to the EU and all the jobs disappearing the government won't be able to afford to fund the NHS. It will be privatised more and more with fees or insurance necessary to get treatment. It will become the preserve of the well off, the wealth "creators" to get medical care. That checkout person who just took payment for your shopping... she has a diabetic kid that she can't afford insulin for. But that's fine cos in 10-20 years they'll see how great things have become. All they need to do is believe in the change just that little bit more right?