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Schenker have joined the list of haulage companies who have stopped delivering to the UK at a groupage level (more than one supplier per truck), one company can have all the correct paperwork but another doesn't so nothing comes through.
Most of the other big names are not far behind I hear.
In our Brexit planning we opted for dedicated trucks which is generally going ok apart from a five hour delay in UK customs from midnight to 5am this morning for one of our trucks, unfortunately the UK customs people are quite new to this and thought the paperwork was wrong when it wasn't. Dedicated trucks adds cost of course, we are lucky that we can prioritise continued supply over profits. The main issue seems to be that most companies are exporting ok from the EU but they do not have the correct import in to the UK paperwork in place such as power of attorney forms for customs agents. It will improve but it is still a big mess.
Is the issue (with US beef) actually with antibiotics in the beef, ie. insufficient withdrawal period before slaughter (leading to issues with human health) or with overuse leading to resistance?
Well there are a few problems with US beef production, as I understand them - correct me if I'm wrong:
1) They dose them with an antibiotic because it increases muscle growth and hence meat yield. But it's a medically useful drug, and because US beef consumers are all exposed to it all the time it is breeding antibiotic resistance. This is banned in the EU.
2) They also use growth hormones a lot, which end up in the meat. This is probably bad for us. Also banned in EU.
3) Most beef is raised on feed lots which means they are kept in a shed or in a small muddy field packed in, and fed corn. This means the meat is less healthy (less Omega 3 IIRC), it's bad for the environment because it produces a lot more methane, and it uses a food crop. The US buys corn from Mexico where it is a staple human crop. US farmers can pay a higher price, and due to NAFTA they can't place export tariffs on it, so this pushes the prices up for Mexicans who need to eat it themselves (someone correct me if this has changed in recent years). UK farmers also use feed of course but much more of our cattle is grazed on grass, on land that may not be suitable for crop growing.
doesn’t look like it’s going to get better soon
On Points 1 and 2. I can only assume then that the human health issue is with withdrawal periods before slaughter, ie. how long between the last dose is given until it is slaughtered for sale. Incorrect dosing or not adhering to these periods would produce contaminated beef. If withdrawal periods and dosing are observed as they obviously are here, there is no real (consumption related) human health risk.
That was the whole point of Brexit, though.
Let’s get everyone to talk about fish while we tear up workers rights, food standards and environmental controls
Not sure how my house ended up crammed with chinese and japanese stuff then.
Some stuff will be, mainly due to labour costs and more recently automation, but do check the “made in” labels. Just because it says Panasonic doesn’t mean it was made in Japan. A mate of mine used to work for them in East Kilbride engineering TVs (though to be fair that may be shut now).
Also do check your house. Some things (eg electronics) can be and are traded globally. Typically these are, long lived and expensive relative to transport cost. If they are high volume and sell into many markets so much the better. Furniture not so much, food less so and fresh food even less so. You’ll be surprised how little of your spend goes to China and Japan - though cyclist might be an outlier here.
However the government sound like they’re going to sort the UK’s labour cost issue, so there’s some Brexit good news.
However the government sound like they’re going to sort the UK’s labour cost issue, so there’s some Brexit good news.
Not sure if that's sarcasm?
Food will certainly be cheaper from outside the EU, same as everything else.
only if we drop our food safety standards to accept american fake foods and dangerous foods which then contaminates the UKs food supply meaning no exports to the EU
Have you not been reading the papers on the increase in costs on imports as a result of brexit? We have no trade deals with anyone else that reduce costs, regulation and thus prices.
Please explain the reasoning and mechanisms behind this bizzare claim
On Points 1 and 2. I can only assume then that the human health issue is with withdrawal periods before slaughter, ie. how long between the last dose is given until it is slaughtered for sale. Incorrect dosing or not adhering to these periods would produce contaminated beef. If withdrawal periods and dosing are observed as they obviously are here, there is no real (consumption related) human health risk.
NOpe - antibiotic use in meat breeds resistant bugs
antibiotic residues linger a long time
Hormone laden beef risk heath directly
Animal welfare standards are lower
batfink - pretty much. Might be better described as black humour, but sarcasm is good enough
^ just checking! I believe we are still waiting for somebody to identify an actual, real world advantage of brexit
FT reporting plans to tear up EU workers rights put the 48 hour week at risk - as the excellent @RussInCheshire observes on Twitter, if only 16 or 17 million people had warned us.
Food will certainly be cheaper from outside the EU, same as everything else.
Well you’re outside the EU and have been for 2 weeks and is it then ?
only if we drop our food safety standards to accept american fake foods and dangerous foods which then contaminates the UKs food supply meaning no exports to the EU
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
Why I mention that is, US food may have lower welfare standards, but I think the idea of the food quality (risk to human health) actually being worse may be quite overstated, unless someone can point me to some definitive study?
TJ you came back to me with a blank "nope" on my statement about withdrawal periods. These are there so that residual levels of medicines in the animal can be eliminated in the liver. Is there evidence that these are not adhered to in the US?
Well you’re outside the EU and have been for 2 weeks and is it then ?
I don't doubt it'll be 10 years until benefits settle in and 20 years until we'll know if brexit was a good idea. Maybe 40 years to be sure.
Food will certainly be cheaper from outside the EU, same as everything else.
The only food that's cheaper elsewhere in the developed world is crap food.
The cost of food in a country is by an large linked to the cost of running a business in that country - the only way it'll be cheaper is if the country drastically reduces it's internal costs (YOU working harder for less) or aims to be less 'developed' (which tbh is the plan for the Cons).
And 5thElephant, you as per every other Brexshi**er never did answer my question of which countries you think we'll trade with now (as per your post).
For those who haven't visited a US supermarket in the last few years, you might be surprised at just how much more expensive the food is than here.
For those who haven’t visited a US supermarket in the last few years, you might be surprised at just how much more expensive the food is than here.
This is why I wonder about this idea that the quality for consumer is much worse?
US supermarket "cheese" products.. mmmm....
I think the idea of the food quality (risk to human health) actually being worse may be quite overstated, unless someone can point me to some definitive study?
Don't have the links to hand, but there are contaminants allowed in US food not allowed here and suggestions of materially higher food poisoning risks in US (getting apples vs apples data though is hard).
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
Why I mention that is, US food may have lower welfare standards, but I think the idea of the food quality (risk to human health) actually being worse may be quite overstated, unless someone can point me to some definitive study?
Horse meat was an issue with food labelling, not food safety.
The much higher occurrence of food poisoning in the US indicates an increased risk to human health (you can do your own Googling on this point)
On Points 1 and 2. I can only assume...
Don't assume. Research, then cite. There's a lot written about this.
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
No. But it was discovered, and it was a scandal. It was discovered because we were checking and it was a scandal because it contravened our standards. Have a read about US food standards and things like incidence of campylobacter and other types of food poisoning.
Re US superkarkets - prices are much higher than they are here, even in small town Mid West where we usually go, where wages are low and other costs of living are much lower. They are also a lot more variable tha they are here. And the quality in offer for the money is poor.
So I looked up the campylobacter incidence, CDC (US) claim 20 in 100000 people infected per year, england and wales was between 90 and 114 between 2008 and 2017.
So reporting rates differ.
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
No. But it was discovered, and it was a scandal. It was discovered because we were checking and it was a scandal because it contravened our standards. Have a read about US food standards and things like incidence of campylobacter and other types of food poisoning.
It also wasn't about the quality of the meat, it was about the source not being identified correctly which could lead to a drop in quality. Horse meat is perfectly acceptable as a food source as long as it's produced correctly, it's actually a rather nice meat. The US standards for food are well below what we are used to so moving to allow them in will be a backwards step for us.
I don’t doubt it’ll be 10 years until benefits settle in and 20 years until we’ll know if brexit was a good idea. Maybe 40 years to be sure.
10 years of hardship?
Why on earth would you want to push that on the UK?
I'll give as much credence to your brexit guff as I did to your trump election fraud conspiracy nonsense
@dougiedogg now look up allowed levels of things like bugs or mouse droppings etc in US food.
If I was one of those Scottish fishermen or fish processors watching this, I'd presently be trying to source Semtex. If you wanted to get a group of people you've already betrayed up to a level of boiling, revolutionary apoplexy, you'd be hard-pushed to do better than this
https://twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1349707738583093248?s=20
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
Actually the EU tightening up after the 2013 scandal is one of the problems blocking a US trade deal, labeling is a huge issue & American consumers are very poorly served, I've no doubt it will happen though
Just as we can expect to lose labour protections
https://twitter.com/monicabeharding/status/1349826625563734016?s=19
If anyone is surprised by any of this I have some magic beans to sell you...
I don’t doubt it’ll be 10 years until benefits settle in and 20 years until we’ll know if brexit was a good idea. Maybe 40 years to be sure.
Quite the sacrifice from a lot of Brexit voters - what with them going to be dead before they will see any (unicorn) benefits of Brexit.
@dougiedogg now look up allowed levels of things like bugs or mouse droppings etc in US food.
The US list seems quite transparent FWIW https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook
Can't find the EU one
Countries set the standards in their own laws (sovereignty), with minimums agreed with other EU countries. Our standards currently go beyond the EU minimums (as do other countries, in different areas depending on local politics/economics)... read all about our current standards and checks here...
That's because apparently there aren't allowable limits for those things i.e. any is too much:
I can't believe people are naive enough to think that Johnson removing workers rights, food & environment standards from the legally binding withdrawal agreement and moving them to the meaningless Political declaration didn't mean that these standards wouldn't be downgraded
Its been a Tory wet dream for decades to do just this
Kwarteng & co wrote a book about it ffs!
The extra trade friction costs created by brexit has to offset in some way
And slashing standards is the obvious way to do it.
Douggiedogg - the NOPE was in relation to you stating there was no health implications to antibiotic use in beef farming. there are.
So even if food is cheaper - if we're all poorer, that's not going to help much is it?
The extra trade friction costs created by brexit has to offset in some way
Eaxactly. You're a mug if you think otherwise, frankly. Tories want to slash standards and 'red tape'. That's what they are all about. Small govt. And this isn't mud-slinging, it really is their platform. But to them, 'red tape' is things like quality and environmental standards, and worker protections.
Good to see Dougie keeping these people on their toes. It’s like whackamole!
STW: ‘Something Brexit something bad, and here’s why...’
Dougie: ‘But something whatabout, but maybe OK, or even better, I haven’t looked into it, maybe someone else could run and fetch that fact...’
STW: (on toes)
😉 Keep at them Dougie!
PS the reasons for a horse meat scandal sticking in your noggin are manifold. I had the same thing for ‘lamb’ doner meat when it was discovered that it was mostly chicken, some beef, and in some reports ‘an unidentified meat’.
The horse meat thing also seems to activate a ‘moral repulsion’ conundrum for us Brits, who traditionally reject the facts that (for example) pigs are sentient, not to mention smarter than your average horse, probably moreso than your dog or cat, which may or may not surprise you. With our dog, it would not. (And he is emotionally manipulative if not a great puzzle-solver)
Pigs are intelligent, communicative, curious, and even creative. They are emotionally complex and have functional long-term memories. If it was found that you had some (unlisted) intensively-raised pork in your beefburger (rather than some knackers yard horse) as a Brit I imagine (religious exceptions, er, excepted) that it may cause you less than mild concern? The red tops wouldn’t have quite the field day, at least.
The matter of US food quality is a complex one.
The extra trade friction costs created by brexit has to offset in some way
And slashing standards is the obvious way to do it.
Now we're out, the starting gun has been fired on the race to the bottom.
Its going to be a double whammy though. As soon as the government start shredding workers rights etc then the EU's level playing field rules will kick in and they'll (rightly) impose economic sanctions on the UK.
Who do you think those economic sanctions will clobber? Like all economic sanctions they are felt by those at the bottom of the pile while the rich and privelidged remain unaffected.
Did you know that US megafoods inc often export/produce different, vaguely healthier versions of their foods to the EU? Has it been established whether the UK will be continuing to import those versions, or shall we be joining/continuing along the conveyor belt yellow brick road to the great over-worked, over-sugared, over-processed, diabetic Dream Citadel In The Sky??
What do you think? Which one do you think works out cheaper?
Here’s a thought - will rules of origin make us trade a little less with the rest of the world post Brexit.
Things we make ourselves are ok obviously, and things from the EU are ok but not other places.
Brexit may force us to trade more with the EU and less with other places.
Discuss.
Rationally.
Brexit may force us to trade more with the EU and less with other places.
Of course, the "deal" means that a German shop can source from anywhere in the world, and sell on to France, Spain, Holland... blah blah blah without tariff and RoO issues, where as a UK shop can source from anywhere in the world and sell on to... er... um...
In short, yes. But the same pressures on EU countries to source more from the UK rather than other places are not the same.
Dougiedogg
another downside to the food regs stuff is this:
a british food producer pre brexit adhered to EU regs and thus the food is more expensive but it allowed them to export to the EU
If we have a deal with the US that allows their less regulated and thus cheaper food into the UK market then the british food producer now has a choice. Be undercut by the US companies or drop standards to match and thus be barred from export to the EU
On American food, can I just point to one basic food stuff.
Chocolate. Any country that can’t get chocolate even close to right...
I lived in the US for a bit, I travel there regularly (pre-2020), there food is poor. And it’s heavily implicated in their obesity issues.
Yea that's true TJ. My line of questioning was along the lines of "is the food actually worse for your health?" which by the balance of discussion on here suggests yes, it is.
I assume P7 is being sarcastic towards me.
I assume P7 is being sarcastic towards me.
Not really, I’m actually grateful (as I’m sure are many) of the break in the echo chamber. Unverified claims and/or reckonings (whether from leavers, remainers or undecideds) are worse than useless, so your prodding is really keeping people on their toes. Self included. My winkicon was a slight tease re fact-checking delegation, but it’s meant good-naturedly. At least as much good-nature as I can muster given what we are (most of us) all facing now, largely on account of ‘emotional’ voters who did not/do not care so much about fact-checking.
May I ask if you are aware of the business practice of selling (comparatively) lower-quality goods at (comparatively) higher prices?
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349784018628259841?s=19
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349784019941138435
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349784021107167232
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349784025280425993
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349919681075929091
https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1349919682447421445
May I ask if you are aware of the business practice of selling (comparatively) lower-quality goods at (comparatively) higher prices?
No but I don't really understand the question. Do you mean adulteration or for example manufacturing cars in india from indian steel and manufacturing the same model in france with french steel and selling at the same price?
binners
If I was one of those Scottish fishermen or fish processors watching this, I’d presently be trying to source Semtex. If you wanted to get a group of people you’ve already betrayed up to a level of boiling, revolutionary apoplexy, you’d be hard-pushed to do better than this
That clip of Rees-Mogg is absolutely terrible. He should be completely & utterly ashamed of that. But, it appears to fit in with him taking this all as a big jolly wheeze & a bit of a game.
See… I understand Rees-Moog, he has gained riches and power from this fishy game. A few people can laugh about this con, they have won… but what about all the people hoping that they will benefit as well? Will they be laughing as all this sinks home for them? Or will they just patently wait 10, 20, 40, 50 years for the benefits?
You have to remember Rees-Mogg has adopted Bannon's "flood the zone with shit" approach to the news cycle.
Say daft shit to focus outrage on that instead of the issue at hand, until it gets knocked off the top by some other daft shit.
Yea that’s true TJ. My line of questioning was along the lines of “is the food actually worse for your health?” which by the balance of discussion on here suggests yes, it is.
Yes. A wide variety of US foods contain lots of high fructose corn syrup, which is pretty bad for you. The reason for this is that when consumerism was getting going the British Empire owned much of the world's sugar production in the Caribbean, and the Americans didn't want to (or couldn't) trade with them. Then they realised that they could make a sweet syrup from corn which they could grow, so they promoted its use in everything. The US Corn farmer's lobby is massive (I urge you to read about the lobby system in US politics - it's shocking) and they are very good at getting their own business and products promoted via political means.
I don’t doubt it’ll be 10 years until benefits settle in and 20 years until we’ll know if brexit was a good idea. Maybe 40 years to be sure.
Pretty irrelevant, as the disaster unfolds, we'll be at least back in the CU and SM in ten years.
Who do you think those economic sanctions will clobber? Like all economic sanctions they are felt by those at the bottom of the pile while the rich and privelidged remain unaffected.
It's all about economies within the economy. What is unfolding is perfect for Rees-Mogg and his ilk in the part of the economy he gets rich from...the rest of it and those that rely on it? **** business.
Back to Kent, if you don't mind. The early hours of Monday morning, a friend of mine has three trucks heading to Belgium, they hit Kent and the M20 and firstly the Traffic officers try to split their convoy, three wide vehicles with support vans following, which they obviously refused too, but then when they eventually stopped in "operation stack" or whatever it is, another Traffic officer mentioned in passing there were over 20k trucks stuck in Kent and they were expecting it to be 30k by mid week. Now to be fair his trucks were on their ferry the same day , but they are special loads, but his drivers said they passed trucks on the other side, on their way north up the M20 yesterday, they has seen on Monday morning. I can't find anything online about operation stack, or numbers of trucks at the moment, but has anyone else heard anything relating to this?
but what about all the people hoping that they will benefit as well?
Fauxrage? He’s hawking gold and bitcoin investment advice to British OAPs based on the trust he won from them since he saved them from nasty furryners, and gave the OAP’s a blue passport, and took that nasty red one away from all of those nasty remainers. A hat trick. Sealed with a deal. Just £99 a year. See nigesbuybullionandbitcoinsfrommymatesdotcom. Allegedly. Or is it satire? I hardly know any more.
Otherwise I reckon the drug industry (especially painkillers, legal and illegal) slumlording, dodgy insurance deals and shitefood and snax opportunities could be goers? Especially for those who don’t have to worry or concern themselves about startup costs and/or holding one’s nose as they mop up.
Brexit on the whole is, IMO/IME a very brutal winner-takes-all US-style affair. Unsurprisingly, considering how and by whom/for whom it was engineered.
Whats pretty obvious is that everything going on in Kent isn't 'teething troubles' as that pob-faced **** Gove would have us believe. This is the 'new normal'. This is just what happens when you leave the customs union and the single market and become a third country
If you have a look on Twitter under tags like #Brexitreality its full of stuff like this
https://twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1349390483076874240?s=20
https://twitter.com/UKRejoinTheEU/status/1350109451429306370?s=20
https://twitter.com/forageplus/status/1349942474916192256?s=20
If you have a look on Twitter under tags like #Brexitreality its full of stuff like this
Stop being so deliberately negative. That's not helping. Now is the time we need to heal, and all pull together to make this thing a success.
You want a positive outcome from Brexit? Easy - the Banbury and North Oxfordshire local nativity trail this year was completely excellent, you can't tell me that would have happened had the Fisheries minister wasted her precious time reading the EU trade agreement instead. Mark one in the WIN column.
Similar to the through-the-looking-glass spectacle the other day which saw Jeremy Hunt almost give his boss a hard time about the state of the NHS.
There's a few tweets flying around about Brexiteer's being unhappy that they are being blamed for the brexit difficulties and impacts. Apparently businesses should have been better prepared for the sunlit uplands...
Apparently businesses should have been better prepared
I keep hearing that.
And that it's the big bad EU making our people fill out paperwork. Obviously not hearing that from anyone who deals with exports to anywhere else in the world.
Some people still think that the benefits of SM & SU will return naturally after some "teething problems" simply by fact that we want to trade, and because the EEA countries are close by, and have "the same standards"... they still don't get it at all... and it's not their fault... it's people like Rees-Moog and his "cheap shoes" & "happy fish" quips betraying the fact that trade with fewer shared rules will be more bureaucratic, slower, and costly... even after companies have bedded in the systems that result from the new rules signed at Christmas, and fully uncovered on New Years Eve.
There’s a few tweets flying around about Brexiteer’s being unhappy that they are being blamed for the brexit difficulties and impacts. Apparently businesses should have been better prepared for the sunlit uplands…
Think you'll find someone on here suggested that a page or two back
https://twitter.com/WeNeedEU/status/1350061901741481990?s=19
Click on it to see the full thread, it's very well done!
From the link above:
"Hello, IT? My economy has stopped working."
"Have you tried -"
"Yes."
"Okay. Check settings. What does it say under software?"
"Compatible with EU membership."
"Do you have that?"
"I just uninstalled it."
"Er - Why?"
"Honestly, I can't remember. Something about fish?"
"Is your fish industry running okay?"
"No, actually that was the first app to crash."
"You see, that one really needs the EU platform installed."
"Really? But my mate told me fishing would run better without it."
"He sounds confused. Can you reinstall your EU app?"
"That might be hard. I threw it away. Also, now my economy has completely crashed. It's not letting me install anything. All these trade deals have stopped working too."
"Sounds like you'll have to buy a new licence. Unfortunately without the old one it'll be pricey."
"What about this app my mate gave me instead? It's called Sovereignty 45."
"Mate, don't touch that. It's malware. It'll reduce your economy down to the levels of 1945."
"But those were the glory years! Weren't they?"
"Mate, when were you born?"
"1960. Why?"
"And do you have strange marks on your fingernails, indicating vitamin deficiency?"
"I do! How did you know?"
"An inspired guess. Listen - don't touch anything. Restart your economy in safe mode, restoring Single Market and Customs Union. That should sort it for now."
"But my mate said those things let in viruses."
"Is your mate's name Nigel by any chance?"
"Yes! How did you -"
"Another wild stab. Those aren't viruses, they are EU workers, and they are vital to the smooth running of your systems."
"But I clicked on a pop-up that said it would get rid of them all for me."
"Yes, I'm beginning to deduce your modus operandi. Well, at least you've called me now. You'll just have to run your economy at half-power until I get your new membership installed."
Boris’s phone Must be red hot with N.I business people waiting for him to tell them to bin the paperwork.
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1350510334583459840
lost for words, the idea of delaying drivers then charging them.... I guess they got the idea from premium rate helplines.
Ramping up the self imposed siege. **** business.
40% of trade in a danish seafood market is new scottish boats land there instead of in Scotland
mrmo
Free Memberlost for words, the idea of delaying drivers then charging them…. I guess they got the idea from premium rate helplines.
It's the MO of organised crime basically. The fact that the Kent permits aren't long enough to reliably get you through the car parks of doom is the same thing. They're in charge of every part- the length of the permit, the length of the queue, the length of the process- but it's you that pays if you "overstay".
Exact same systems routinely used for years on overseas students
the advice given by the Home Office to prove my status online is not enough
This has been made clear to the UK government from the moment they announced the details of the scheme (including privately within the FCO and publicly by the campaigners for the 3 million and by representatives for foreign states), but in typical fashion, they either don’t understand, or don’t care, or both.
Sometimes little things really resonate.
I can't help but think Mogg has just guaranteed a second referendum for Scotland. The result too.
Can we get some Brexit positives on here?
Looks like an open border on the way between Gibraltar and Spain. Good news.
I thought it was only open for spanish? Basically gibralter has joined Shengen but only EU citizens and those with a right to live in the EU can avail themselves of it.
Not quite sure how it’ll work, we’ll see in the summer, but it’s for the people of Gibraltar and Schengen countries only, yes. Good for the people of that corner of Spain.
My dad once ended up in a cell for landing on the coast of Spain, rather than back in Gibraltar, due to a storm. 40+ years ago though.
I visited Gibraltar when on holiday in Spain as a lad 55 or so years ago. Spanish customs raided the bus on the way home and (according to my parents) found loads of contraband. That was in Franco days. Looking back it feels weird that we were holidaying in a fascist dictatorship, but that was the start of the Costa [whatever] cheap holiday era. Europe has changed a bit since then...
lost for words, the idea of delaying drivers then charging them
What remainers like you don’t see pretend not to see are the potential massive benefits of delay. A bright Brit would by tomorrow have a caravan or three on site, selling warm greasy animals parts along with bread and a side order of freshly opened baked beans. Polystyrene is another potential benefit* of being OUT
Any hungry irate driver finding himself with nowhere else to be for a few hours would of course pay any number of your British sovereigns in return for a hearty box of warm, beige, Best Of British hospitality. A time-tested ‘goer’, and one of the things that makes Britain Best Again. I sometimes think remainers just cook up ‘downsides’ to make themselves feel superior, when in fact they’re just welly jelly at us winning.
*
The market for polystyrene is expected to grow at a CAGR of more than 4% during the forecast period (2020-2025). Major factors driving the market studied are recycling in the polystyrene industry, and growing consumer electronics market
On the flip side, increasing the ban on Polystyrene across North America and Europe and the availability of high-performance substitutes is likely to hinder the market.
https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/polystyrene-market
(my bold)
No brexit breakfast would have half a baguette on it......
that's there to prove we aren't xenophobic.
See also, 'brown' sauce which proves we don't hate brown people, erm, things.
I don’t doubt it’ll be 10 years until benefits settle in and 20 years until we’ll know if brexit was a good idea. Maybe 40 years to be sure.
So it's going to be my daughter and a whole generation that haven't even necessarily been born yet that get to find out IF this was a good idea? Then another "just to be sure".
**** you!