the bulk of them fall into the “playing chess with a pigeon” category. They don’t want to learn anything, they just want to win shit all over the board.
(A few threads converge here)
‘Don't let Trump rewrite our food standards‘ petition here for anyone interested:
https://secure.greenpeace.org.uk/page/s/ProtectUKfoodstandards
malvern - here's a view from the US.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/512235-us-uk-play-chicken-over-chlorinated-chicken
I totally disagree with the article but it's worth noting as an example of the arguments being put forward; expect there to be a lot more of this.
The arguments are irrelevant, the USA farming lobby will gets the reduced standards they want. We don’t exactly hold all the cards.
That article is full of nonsense though…
the USA
farming lobbyfull stop will get the reduced standards they want as well as pretty much anything else. Wedon’t exactly hold all the cardshave our pants down.
FTFY.
Hopefully in four years time, if Labour get things right next election, we may be able to get rid of this useless government.
Great. And then what?
Most of the damage will be irreversible.
At least the rednecks in the US were smart* enough to Express their little racist/xenophobic pant-shitting in a way that is actually largely reversible after four years.
Not us stoic Brits, though. Oh no, when we **** something up we do it properly.
*I know it was just the same anti-progress lashing out in the US as here and Cletus and Deke wouldn't have been considering anything beyond the next day, but the fact remains that the damage Trump has done and is doing can be largely erased by electing someone who isn't mentally ill. 'Our' shitshow is far worse and long lasting.
And as negotiations gon on the PM and his cabinet do their upmost to insult and upset politicians from over the channel. The news in the Times/Guardian is read by people over here and it's lots of hissy fits about immigrants and Covid, and Germany and... . Read from this side of the channel it's just nasty, provacative, selfish. There was Pritty Patel accusing France of Racism if you looked no further than the misleading headlines and it was little better if you got beyond the headlines. Not a good atmosphere to be begging for better than a raised digit from Europe.
In the interest of balance, I have returned to the UK. Admittedly to study further and I will probably leave again once I have gained all the qualifications that I want. I would also add that employment law here is much better than anywhere in the USA, Canada, Mexico, etc.
And now that the European influence has been "escaped" ...?
The content of this thread, and almost all of its predecessor, have shown how one of the main purposes of this exercise is to do away with all that inconvenient nonsense...
I'm pretty sure one of the 'benefits' of Brexit is 'increased flexibility' for employers in terms of job security and working conditions/safety, leading to a 'more dynamic workforce'.
I would also add that employment law here is much better than anywhere in the USA, Canada, Mexico, etc.
Not for long.
I’m pretty sure one of the ‘benefits’ of Brexit is ‘increased flexibility’ for employers in terms of job security and working conditions/safety, leading to a ‘more dynamic workforce’.
I believe the word of choice amongst tosspot consultants who charge the earth to ruin people's jobs in the interests of 'efficiency' (aka cost-cutting) is 'agility'.
Get someone external in talking about 'agility' and you can guarantee two things:
1. Their hourly rate is extortionate.
2. Everyone below senior management is going to get more work to do for no rise in pay.
Expect many of these buzzword bullshitters to be circling public services in particular like flies on shit.
I don't get this brexiteer thing of all taking responsibility and pulling together to fix their screw up. If you punch yourself in he nuts, I'm not going to massage your balls better, I'm going to stand back and laugh. And that's exactly what I'm going to do after brexit.
If you punch yourself in the nuts, and then kick me and mine even harder in the face then I’m not going to massage your balls better, I’m going to leave you were you chose to be. I choose instead now to leave this place. But you had to add insult to injury by locking us here together and throwing away the key forcing us to watch, listen and suffer as you continue to blame anyone except yourself (or your cult of wreckers) for the shituation
FTFY
Nice to see the lies about improving environmental standards post-brexit being already being firmly exposed for the bullshit they were:
I can understand Brexit supporters. I can sympathise. The issue is that they have been duped by nationalists over the years. Duped over many things but not least into thinking that we’d all be better off out. We won’t be.
My builder yesterday was saying that 'We'll show them all, that lot in brussels. They'll be sorry they forgot about us'
He was talking about the NE of england where I live. I asked him if it wasn't more likely Maggie that created the feeling of being forgotten... His response - 'Well at least she'd have told them where to go.' (The EU that is)
Its basically hopeless. There's a whole generation of people brain washed into thinking that the EU has some significant control over their lives that is somehow out of the hands of our Gov't and they'd be better if only the EU wasn't around doing that bad thing that it does.
lies about improving environmental standards post-brexit
This is going to get so much more messy than even these early signs suggest… both metaphorically and literally. A dirty sore on the edge of Europe, acting politically as if truly a mid-Atlantic island, without really gaining much from that economically.
This situation continues to make me extremely sad. I escaped a couple of years ago to Sweden, but keep looking back and wondering what the hell I can do to help make things better, all the time knowing that there is nothing I can do.
What is worse is that I can see the steady march of nationalism and small, closed minded behaviour gradually making footholds in other countries. It's like Brexit has made other nationalist parties and supporters bolder in what they do and say and has legitimised their behaviour.
I'm glad I got out when I did, but hugely sorry for the people that could not do the same then and cannot now.
‘We’ll show them all, that lot in brussels.
Did you point out that one tenth of "that lot in Brussels" were British MEPs?
They’ll be sorry they forgot about us’
He was talking about the NE of england where I live.
Shove your postcode in here.
They’ll be sorry they forgot about us’
He was talking about the NE of england where I live.
The EU were actually investing in the NE:
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/what-european-union-ever-done-11480870
There’s a whole generation of people brain washed
At least two generations. It takes more than one to get to this stage? The brainwashing/tabloidism has been going in for at least 50 years. It’s as if England became addicted to WW2 rhetoric and then forgot that it wasn’t a tually such a great thing.
While there are many reasons for this, it's worrying we're so in debt.
With Brexshit surely going to dent our economy more through increased costs, redtape and disruption, it's going to be painful.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53859299
While there are many reasons for this, it’s worrying we’re so in debt.
With Brexshit surely going to dent our economy more through increased costs, redtape and disruption, it’s going to be painful.
What price 'sovrunty'?
Apart from the fact that most Brexies wouldn't be able to spell it, and haven't got the first clue what it really means.
Blue passports?
addicted to WW2 rhetoric
Addicted to the past, and a heavily airbrushed version at that.
Surely the mark of a doomed country.
Blue passports?
Worth every penny of £2,000,000,000,000.
My builder yesterday was saying that ‘We’ll show them all, that lot in brussels. They’ll be sorry they forgot about us’
He was talking about the NE of england where I live.
Bloke working in a manual profession in the NE blames the EU for whatever he perceives is 'wrong' in his life?
I asked him if it wasn’t more likely Maggie that created the feeling of being forgotten… His response – ‘Well at least she’d have told them where to go.’ (The EU that is)
Presumably, then, he also voted Tory in December?
Then, unfortunately, your builder is a thick ****er.
Hope his brickwork is better than his grasp of politics.
The latest update from Brussels on this shitshow...
Brexit trade talks actually 'going backwards', warns EU's Michel Barnier
It looks like they've given up even pretending they're trying to reach a negotiated deal. As has looked increasingly obvious, it's a No Deal crash out, and all the economic devastation involved,`
The priority is Dom and Dommers disaster capitalist funders making their billions out of selling us all down the river
it’s worrying we’re so in debt
Yes, but we're in the shit here. So debt is something to worry about when we are out of the shit.
“…excepts this reality…”
https://twitter.com/turingalila/status/1296744062570188800?s=21
When did reality, and realistic expectations and requirements, start to be an issue?
https://twitter.com/davidgauke/status/1296760009523683330?s=21
kelvin - totally predictable; immediately following the referendum I posted on a much earlier thread and elsewhere that the EU27 had absolutely no incentive to co-operate as they held all the cards including negotiating capability.
So here we are - a faded post-colonial country with delusional aspirations, a shot economy, government with little ability and even less vision; johnson and his clown circus still think we *deserve* a deal and the EU should accede to their demands.
It's like an adult looking contemptuously at a child having a tantrum.
Well, we've certainly got a stake in the US election, that's for sure.
A **** like Trump is not who we want in the White House when we've got our pants around our ankles....
It’s like an adult looking contemptuously at a child having a tantrum.
I can't think of a better metaphor for how the EU must view 'us'. The rest of the world are the other parents and kids chuckling to themselves and thanking heavens that it is not them.
Embarrassing.
Despite this the patriotic lot over on Twitter are still saying good, a clean break.
The ignorance of some of these people knows no bounds...
Here are some number to put things into perspective...
- of membership of the EU: £406 a year.
- of the process of Brexit: £10,412
Cost of not being out of the EU: £5,171 every single year.
I asked him if it wasn’t more likely Maggie that created the feeling of being forgotten… His response – ‘Well at least she’d have told them where to go.’ (The EU that is)
It’s like a national personality disorder. There is a certain Englishness in the ability to put the moron in ‘oxymoron‘.
We are the centre of the Universe
We are the edge of the EUniverse
We are in need of no education, we just need to get us done
We are alright, Jack!
We are half wrong, Jack!
We are stronger apart
We are stronger together
We are crusading peacemakers
We are split over union
We are divided over common ground
We are the victorious victims
We are the underdog
We are the óberdog
We are celebrating US Independence Day as winners
We are bucket-meals masquerading as roast dinners
We are lovely fake-tanned Sun-lovers, leaving our shit for those nasty do-gooders
We are simply the best, better than all the rest
(We are us and you are them)
We are the pearls
We are the oysters
(We are the walrus)
I posted on a much earlier thread and elsewhere that the EU27 had absolutely no incentive to co-operate as they held all the cards including negotiating capability.
It's not even that.
The EU27 has been consistent in its negotiations from day 1, indeed before that even.
Whereas, four years on and we haven't managed to reach a consensus on what we actually want yet, let alone made any progress in asking for it. Something that should have been in place before the referendum let alone the WA. How can a first world country possibly have a supposedly "meaningful" vote on something which is still undefined four years after we held the ballot? It's insanity.
Despite this the patriotic lot over on Twitter are still saying good, a clean break.
Only a minority, but a very vocal minority, to them this is all about revenge and "owning the liberals" who held them in check for a while.
Its not really surprising that a lot of them are racist, sexist, climate change denying hardcore car owners who view the current cycle revolution(of sorts) as stopping their freedom to drive where they like, and often how they like. Well they won(for now), but that won't stop them being perpetually angry at the world around them and seeing themselves as the victims.
When this turns around(and it will), Liberals need to take a much harder line with these folk(amongst many others that have caused this disaster) and make sure they jump on the rocks this scum will no doubt be crawling back under.
Here are some number to put things into perspective…
I found a tax document from a couple of years back the other day. It gave a breakdown of where all my taxes were spent. The cost of our EU membership, to me personally, was about a fiver a month.
Feeding that back into your figures (and I think you're missing your units or it's mightily cheap!), one could interpolate that the brexit process is costing your average wage earner North of £100/month.
We don't know what we want but the only acceptable answer from you is...yes.
first world country
Transitioning into a banana republic.
but that won’t stop them being perpetually angry at the world around them and seeing themselves as the victims.
I think this is the most depressing thing of all. It's like they go out of their way to find things to be permanently apoplectic about. I've got a couple of Brexit-supporting mates and they're the first to believe every single half-baked conspiracy theory that the internet throws up, mainly as it seems to fuel their already overloaded persecution complexes.
The irony that as comfortably off, straight, white, middle-class males they're the least persecuted people on the planet seems completely lost on them. They're constantly angry about some perceived injustice or other, normally involving the EU and/or immigrants.
When this all goes horribly tits up, they'll be holding the EU entirely responsible, and not the bunch of disaster capitalist clowns presently with their feet hard on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff edge.
Whereas, four years on and we haven’t managed to reach a consensus on what we actually want yet, let alone made any progress in asking for it
People were sold, and voted for, a myth. A fantasy. A lot of us were saying so at the time. 4 years later it's even more of a myth and a fantasy, but the true believers still refuse to accept that screamingly obvious fact. They'll still be refusing to accept it as the economy implodes in January and the whole southeast of England becomes one ****ing enormous lorry park
If you wanted any proof of how this narrative is going to play out with the permenetly-apoplectic middle-aged white men then their mouthpiece, the Daily Express, sums it up perfectly today...
Barnier wants 'total humiliation for UK!' Brexiteers praise Frost for 'holding his nerve'
Former Brexit Party MEP Rupert Lowe heaped praise on Boris Johnson’s Brexit negotiator David Frost for refusing to budge to Mr Barnier’s demands, which has edged the UK closer to a no deal exit from the bloc. But he warned: “Barnier wants total humiliation for our country, anything less than that and he won't be happy.
Its almost too depressing for words that this attitude has now come to typify us as a nation. Arrogant, unreasonable, deluded and utterly obnoxious
There are a lot of folks in the UK at all levels of society that have an extremely high level of entitlement (perceived) and this has been fed by social media, leave UK and many politicians on the right (and not so right) i have worked all over the world and never witnessed a similar level of entitlement in ordinary people.
Truth is its created a lazy, poorly educated (all types of education) who are concerned about shopping and drinking and doing as little as possible.
I am from the North East and i have plenty of aqaintances who fit the "Builder" character above, however i suspect they may look back at minimum wage full employment with misty eyes
Entitlement and being determined to act like loud mouthed pillocks is why many Europeans will be glad to see the back of us. Put yourself in the shoes of ordinary people being presented with arrogant, rude, entitled and pissed up British holidaymakers and you see why.
When this all goes horribly tits up, they’ll be holding the EU entirely responsible, and not the bunch of disaster capitalist clowns presently with their feet hard on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff edge.
^^ this
I don't think I've met a single person who voted Brexit who, when asked, admits that they would vote differently if they knew then what they know now. It's as if changing their mind is a sign of weakness.
This made me smile today:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-immgration-eu-rejects-asylum-seeker-return-plea-dublin-regulations-michel-barnier-a9680581.html
It’s as if changing their mind is a sign of weakness.
Like every loudmouthed, pissed up pillock who ever started a bar fight over anything. Not interested in learning from life experiences, chinning someone is easier.
The only reason your typical Brit tourist is tolerated in Spain is because they have effectively created cordoned off vomitaria like Magaluf or Faliraki to relieve them of their cash, keep them 'entertained' for a week then **** them off ASAP.
