Subscribe now and choose from over 30 free gifts worth up to £49 - Plus get £25 to spend in our shop
While there are many reasons for this, it's worrying we're so in debt.
With Brexshit surely going to dent our economy more through increased costs, redtape and disruption, it's going to be painful.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53859299
While there are many reasons for this, it’s worrying we’re so in debt.
With Brexshit surely going to dent our economy more through increased costs, redtape and disruption, it’s going to be painful.
What price 'sovrunty'?
Apart from the fact that most Brexies wouldn't be able to spell it, and haven't got the first clue what it really means.
Blue passports?
addicted to WW2 rhetoric
Addicted to the past, and a heavily airbrushed version at that.
Surely the mark of a doomed country.
Blue passports?
Worth every penny of £2,000,000,000,000.
My builder yesterday was saying that ‘We’ll show them all, that lot in brussels. They’ll be sorry they forgot about us’
He was talking about the NE of england where I live.
Bloke working in a manual profession in the NE blames the EU for whatever he perceives is 'wrong' in his life?
I asked him if it wasn’t more likely Maggie that created the feeling of being forgotten… His response – ‘Well at least she’d have told them where to go.’ (The EU that is)
Presumably, then, he also voted Tory in December?
Then, unfortunately, your builder is a thick ****er.
Hope his brickwork is better than his grasp of politics.
The latest update from Brussels on this shitshow...
Brexit trade talks actually 'going backwards', warns EU's Michel Barnier
It looks like they've given up even pretending they're trying to reach a negotiated deal. As has looked increasingly obvious, it's a No Deal crash out, and all the economic devastation involved,`
The priority is Dom and Dommers disaster capitalist funders making their billions out of selling us all down the river
it’s worrying we’re so in debt
Yes, but we're in the shit here. So debt is something to worry about when we are out of the shit.
“…excepts this reality…”
https://twitter.com/turingalila/status/1296744062570188800?s=21
When did reality, and realistic expectations and requirements, start to be an issue?
https://twitter.com/davidgauke/status/1296760009523683330?s=21
kelvin - totally predictable; immediately following the referendum I posted on a much earlier thread and elsewhere that the EU27 had absolutely no incentive to co-operate as they held all the cards including negotiating capability.
So here we are - a faded post-colonial country with delusional aspirations, a shot economy, government with little ability and even less vision; johnson and his clown circus still think we *deserve* a deal and the EU should accede to their demands.
It's like an adult looking contemptuously at a child having a tantrum.
Well, we've certainly got a stake in the US election, that's for sure.
A **** like Trump is not who we want in the White House when we've got our pants around our ankles....
It’s like an adult looking contemptuously at a child having a tantrum.
I can't think of a better metaphor for how the EU must view 'us'. The rest of the world are the other parents and kids chuckling to themselves and thanking heavens that it is not them.
Embarrassing.
Despite this the patriotic lot over on Twitter are still saying good, a clean break.
The ignorance of some of these people knows no bounds...
Here are some number to put things into perspective...
- of membership of the EU: £406 a year.
- of the process of Brexit: £10,412
Cost of not being out of the EU: £5,171 every single year.
I asked him if it wasn’t more likely Maggie that created the feeling of being forgotten… His response – ‘Well at least she’d have told them where to go.’ (The EU that is)
It’s like a national personality disorder. There is a certain Englishness in the ability to put the moron in ‘oxymoron‘.
We are the centre of the Universe
We are the edge of the EUniverse
We are in need of no education, we just need to get us done
We are alright, Jack!
We are half wrong, Jack!
We are stronger apart
We are stronger together
We are crusading peacemakers
We are split over union
We are divided over common ground
We are the victorious victims
We are the underdog
We are the óberdog
We are celebrating US Independence Day as winners
We are bucket-meals masquerading as roast dinners
We are lovely fake-tanned Sun-lovers, leaving our shit for those nasty do-gooders
We are simply the best, better than all the rest
(We are us and you are them)
We are the pearls
We are the oysters
(We are the walrus)
I posted on a much earlier thread and elsewhere that the EU27 had absolutely no incentive to co-operate as they held all the cards including negotiating capability.
It's not even that.
The EU27 has been consistent in its negotiations from day 1, indeed before that even.
Whereas, four years on and we haven't managed to reach a consensus on what we actually want yet, let alone made any progress in asking for it. Something that should have been in place before the referendum let alone the WA. How can a first world country possibly have a supposedly "meaningful" vote on something which is still undefined four years after we held the ballot? It's insanity.
Despite this the patriotic lot over on Twitter are still saying good, a clean break.
Only a minority, but a very vocal minority, to them this is all about revenge and "owning the liberals" who held them in check for a while.
Its not really surprising that a lot of them are racist, sexist, climate change denying hardcore car owners who view the current cycle revolution(of sorts) as stopping their freedom to drive where they like, and often how they like. Well they won(for now), but that won't stop them being perpetually angry at the world around them and seeing themselves as the victims.
When this turns around(and it will), Liberals need to take a much harder line with these folk(amongst many others that have caused this disaster) and make sure they jump on the rocks this scum will no doubt be crawling back under.
Here are some number to put things into perspective…
I found a tax document from a couple of years back the other day. It gave a breakdown of where all my taxes were spent. The cost of our EU membership, to me personally, was about a fiver a month.
Feeding that back into your figures (and I think you're missing your units or it's mightily cheap!), one could interpolate that the brexit process is costing your average wage earner North of £100/month.
We don't know what we want but the only acceptable answer from you is...yes.
first world country
Transitioning into a banana republic.
but that won’t stop them being perpetually angry at the world around them and seeing themselves as the victims.
I think this is the most depressing thing of all. It's like they go out of their way to find things to be permanently apoplectic about. I've got a couple of Brexit-supporting mates and they're the first to believe every single half-baked conspiracy theory that the internet throws up, mainly as it seems to fuel their already overloaded persecution complexes.
The irony that as comfortably off, straight, white, middle-class males they're the least persecuted people on the planet seems completely lost on them. They're constantly angry about some perceived injustice or other, normally involving the EU and/or immigrants.
When this all goes horribly tits up, they'll be holding the EU entirely responsible, and not the bunch of disaster capitalist clowns presently with their feet hard on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff edge.
Whereas, four years on and we haven’t managed to reach a consensus on what we actually want yet, let alone made any progress in asking for it
People were sold, and voted for, a myth. A fantasy. A lot of us were saying so at the time. 4 years later it's even more of a myth and a fantasy, but the true believers still refuse to accept that screamingly obvious fact. They'll still be refusing to accept it as the economy implodes in January and the whole southeast of England becomes one ****ing enormous lorry park
If you wanted any proof of how this narrative is going to play out with the permenetly-apoplectic middle-aged white men then their mouthpiece, the Daily Express, sums it up perfectly today...
Barnier wants 'total humiliation for UK!' Brexiteers praise Frost for 'holding his nerve'
Former Brexit Party MEP Rupert Lowe heaped praise on Boris Johnson’s Brexit negotiator David Frost for refusing to budge to Mr Barnier’s demands, which has edged the UK closer to a no deal exit from the bloc. But he warned: “Barnier wants total humiliation for our country, anything less than that and he won't be happy.
Its almost too depressing for words that this attitude has now come to typify us as a nation. Arrogant, unreasonable, deluded and utterly obnoxious
There are a lot of folks in the UK at all levels of society that have an extremely high level of entitlement (perceived) and this has been fed by social media, leave UK and many politicians on the right (and not so right) i have worked all over the world and never witnessed a similar level of entitlement in ordinary people.
Truth is its created a lazy, poorly educated (all types of education) who are concerned about shopping and drinking and doing as little as possible.
I am from the North East and i have plenty of aqaintances who fit the "Builder" character above, however i suspect they may look back at minimum wage full employment with misty eyes
Entitlement and being determined to act like loud mouthed pillocks is why many Europeans will be glad to see the back of us. Put yourself in the shoes of ordinary people being presented with arrogant, rude, entitled and pissed up British holidaymakers and you see why.
When this all goes horribly tits up, they’ll be holding the EU entirely responsible, and not the bunch of disaster capitalist clowns presently with their feet hard on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff edge.
^^ this
I don't think I've met a single person who voted Brexit who, when asked, admits that they would vote differently if they knew then what they know now. It's as if changing their mind is a sign of weakness.
This made me smile today:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-immgration-eu-rejects-asylum-seeker-return-plea-dublin-regulations-michel-barnier-a9680581.html
It’s as if changing their mind is a sign of weakness.
Like every loudmouthed, pissed up pillock who ever started a bar fight over anything. Not interested in learning from life experiences, chinning someone is easier.
The only reason your typical Brit tourist is tolerated in Spain is because they have effectively created cordoned off vomitaria like Magaluf or Faliraki to relieve them of their cash, keep them 'entertained' for a week then **** them off ASAP.
I don’t think I’ve met a single person who voted Brexit who, when asked, admits that they would vote differently if they knew then what they know now.
... because they've learned the square root of **** all since then.
They knew the square root of ****all before then.
… because they’ve learned the square root of * all since then.
They knew the square root of *all before then.
Knowing the square root of **** all will come in handy, though.
It'll put some perspective on what is left of their employment rights in a couple of years time.
It seems even that last bastion of St Georges flag-waving, white Transit man is starting to realise that the reality of a No Deal Brexit might not be the sunny uplands that they cheerleaded for...
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1297460163293728768?s=20
The Sun has seen the doomsday classified document designed to kickstart ministers into a major planning operation to see off disaster. It reveals:
One in 20 Town Halls could go bust in a second Covid wave, sparking social care chaos.
The economic impact of the virus and Brexit could cause public disorder, shortages and price hikes.
Troops may have to be drafted on to the streets to help the police in the worst-case scenario — 1,500 are already on stand by.
Social distancing measures and masks will have to continue until 2021 regardless.
Supplies of food and fuel are all under threat this Christmas if Dover becomes blocked.
I seem to remember them being the ones labelling similar predictions 'Project Fear'
Seems like the clowns in Downing Street are absolutely intent on creating the perfect storm and dropping an H bomb on our economy
I think they are still missing the reality, a no deal Brexit will be ****, however any deal less than SM/CU will be barely any better. Try getting fresh food across the channel with the various declarations etc that have to be made.
Have a look around a Swiss supermarket at where stuff comes from.
I've said it before, but our only hope lies with the cowardice of Boris Johnson. If he's true to form, when he's staring down the barrel of the reality of no deal, he'll fold at the last minute and accept full regulatory alignment with the EU in return for access to the CU/SM.
If he doesn't then we are truly *ed!
Its both a tragedy and a farce that literally all we have left to save us from economic carnage is the inherent character flaws of that *ing half-wit!
I’ve said it before, but our only hope lies with the cowardice of Boris Johnson.
He'll just go on holiday until he can blame someone else.
He’ll just go on holiday until he can blame someone else.
This. He'll be toast when he gets back from wherever it is, but his fat gurning mug will be on the wall at no 10 forever, and that is all it has been about for him. He'll wander off into the sunset.
I seem to remember them being the ones labelling similar predictions ‘Project Fear’
Nothing will ever change as long as the public taste allows such liars as the Sun et al to profit from their peddling and sowing of endless dishonesty.
Unfortunately it (tabloidism in the form of xenophobic, nationalistic, populist ‘US vs Them’ RW conspiracy mills) seems to be a dog that found a way to have it’s day every day. The key: Pure machiavellian sociopathy. ie Never ever back down. Lie, and keep lying where it makes the most profit. The kind of lies that utter shits would be delighted to hear. Decades of this will devolve a country into Shitsville vs Them
I seem to remember them being the ones labelling similar predictions ‘Project Fear’
I think they learned something from that, and by getting a horror show scenario out into the public domain, then when it is merely disastrous, they will be able to paint it as their success.
There are rumours that Demonic Cummings has his house on the market.
The key: Pure machiavellian sociopathy. ie Never ever back down. Lie, and keep lying where it makes the most profit. The kind of lies that utter shits would be delighted to hear. Decades of this will devolve a country into Shitsville vs Them
The RW tabloids, Trump, Brexshit, Farage et al. Their key ability has been to say to arseholes who have felt 'repressed' by decency that it is OK to be an arsehole and to act like one. Legitimising arseholery is the key.
Yup fear, anger and prejudice are easier to whip up and more powerful than reason and compassion, especially with people like Mark Zuckerberg facilitating.
Just had another argument with my dad about Brexit, I tried to bite my lip AGAIN.....
Conservative MPs prattling on that any trade deal that includes upholding workers rights and environment standards is not Brexit and so isn’t acceptable to them. At least they are finally being clear about what they want from Brexit.
He’s white, speaks English as his first language, and hates immigrants (who don’t also fit that description). Perfect for Brexit Britain.
From a NI haulier's perspective and brought to you by Polly Toynbee
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/24/irish-sea-border-chaos-brexit-northern-ireland
As for the Tony Abbott story above - Sir Les Patterson returns, now batting for the UK.
Talking with sophisticated and educated politicians from putative trade partners I can't see that a Bruce, cobber approach is going to work.
So we'll have truss and Abbott as joint presidents of UK Board of Trade - intellectual midgets both; hardly going to be seen as challenging negotiators by...anyone really.
This means that johnson believes there isn't a single person in the UK with the required ability.
He truly is a clown.
I wouldn’t trust Liz Truss to negotiate her way around Waitrose, never mind complex international trade agreements.
So now she’s joined by another intellectual heavyweight.
Simple answers to complex problems, delivered by simpletons, really does sum up Brexit.
... as the clock ticks on towards disaster
Simple answers to complex problems, delivered by simpletons, really does sum up Brexit.
Yep.
Just listening to Gavin 'Private Pike' Spencer on R4. Jesus wept. What a *ing idiot.
Choose your 'Top Team' (ha!) based on loyalty to a fundamentally stupid project and you end up with either idiots or cynical opportunists. Williamson is definitely the former.
What a wer.
1) once we had given up the opportunity to extend the transition period, US trade talks were stalled ‘till next year by the US so that they could maximise their leverage … we were told by our pliant leaders and the media that it was because everything stops for the presidential race
2)
https://twitter.com/trade_eu/status/1297798385328685057?s=21
^^^^
Is it just me or does that, basically, completely **** us?
Not that exciting on its own. Just one of many things that (predictably) add up to us being in a very week position next year (and for many years).
But don't worry we can have a trade deal with Brazil.. Cheap havaianas for all
That tariff removal statement can be viewed as either irrelevant or significant:
- irrelevant if the focus is on the narrow range of products covered unless you buy Maine lobster tails from Waitrose
- potentially significant if it is followed in the short term by further agreements with a wider range of products and much larger value
Labour MP Neil Coyle vocalises the thoughts of many...
https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1298388821894139904?s=20
I have read many intelligent and thoughtful comments on all the Brexit threads but I feel they miss the point. Brexit is more like a war or supporting a football team. Even though you may be losing, your team is rubbish and it is going to be a disaster you keep supporting your team. The reason people voted for Brexit was that it was patriotic and they thought they were supporting their team. Intelligent arguments do not work. I can also understand that the builder mentioned would be in competition with cheaper and a lot better trained trades people from the continent.
Co-opting your opponents language and symbols is much more important than intelligent discussion.
Even though you may be losing, your team is rubbish and it is going to be a disaster you keep supporting your team.
This, and "owning the libs" as well. The abbot thing is funny and disturbing as well, as the usual gang boasting about how great he's going to be...well they have said that many times before about recent "signings" to quote a football term, and when abbot fails, it will be onto the next messiah.
I know the likes of Binners keep calling this a disaster, and yes it will be a total disaster(but for a few), and its looking unavoidable, but the focus now has to be on what happens after this shower of sh*t have destroyed themselves and their cause. Because if we aren't in control of that, history teaches us that something far worse could rise and fill the void.
To borrow their phrase, we have to take back control.
I guess control of a sinking ship means at least you have less distance to swim to shore.
This, and “owning the libs” as well.
It can be about what they like, they will always be laughed at, and rightly so.😊
I agree with GEDA and Elbent however its too late that war was lost long ago.
All we can be now is a form of "resistance" which in itself may not have any positive impact.
I am 57 years old and have seen a lot of economic ups and downs but we as a country we were more or less in control of many of the tools that allowed us to fix things (rarely to the benefit of poorfolk) Covid and Brexit have left us in a position in which we have little control of anything and we are literally at the mercy of a Virus and other countries generosity around trade deals.
I think we are in a lot more trouble than most folks realise, there is a real fear in the Tory backbenchers and i would suggest a view from the Labour backbenchers that this is a Tory issue.
In short no political party has or wants ownership of this shit show.
A government can fix covid and brexit but i doubt anyone wants to deal with the long term implications of that decision making process that will include mass unemployment, huge tax rises including VAT, huge reductions in public services including the NHS, more borrowing and huge raids on pensions and corporates.
We will be poor for many decades.
We are indeed going to be very much poorer for a long time.
Covid is one thing, but with Brexit this is the first ever incidence in history of a country demanding that the rest of the world impose economic sanctions on it.
Absolute idiocy of the highest ****ing order
Still... every cloud... we’ll have blue passports.
I feel patriotic but for very different reasons. I really think we need to start showing that these are the real reasons to be proud about being British and create some more:
1. The rule of law and especially common law and the separation of powers of state.
2. Pluralism and being accepting of other ways of thinking.
3. Experts. 🙂
4. The enlightenment
I was thinking about art, music, landscape but wanted to be more specific to why Britain is a cool place. I don't recognise the people shouting about Brexit being anything to do with what I am proud to be British about.
4. The enlightenment
Britain's main contribution to the enlightenment was Bacon...who died when; late 1600's?
I feel patriotic but for very different reasons. I really think we need to start showing that these are the real reasons to be proud about being British and create some more:
London 2012.
How quickly a once-proud nation can eat itself. They'll be writing books and dissertations about this for centuries.
2012 was half the problem. It lulled us into thinking we were an open, inclusive, forward-looking multicultural society.
Well that didn’t last long.
It seems the majority in this country are the polar opposite of that.
Petty, small-minded, insular and xenophobic, waving little flags and gazing backwards into a nationalist, sepia-toned fantasy of empire. All spitfires, St George’s crosses on white transit vans, two world wars and a World Cup and bargain basement Winston Churchill impersonators
I’m utterly ashamed to be British English
I was a performer in the 2012 Opening Ceremony (hence my forum name) one of the best experiences in my life - really made me appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism and mixing with so many different people from around the world.
Since then the UK's really gone down the shitter.
I think we are in a lot more trouble than most folks realise, there is a real fear in the Tory backbenchers and i would suggest a view from the Labour backbenchers that this is a Tory issue.
The tory back benchers have every right to be fearful, its their party that's largely going to cop the blame for the next four years, even though they aren't really in power.
The party in control of Government is the vote leave party, and once they have achieved the objective of whoever was funding them...and of course the objectives of the supposedly intelligent psychopath that the PM has as his adviser, they will walk off into the sunset and the political parties, particularly the tories will be wrecked.
The tory back benchers have every right to be fearful, its their party that’s largely going to cop the blame for the next four years, even though they aren’t really in power.
Indeed. The present party leadership isn't really, and never has been 'Tory'. They are a small sect that has successfully colonised the Tory party for their own ends.
The traditional Tory party values don't even figure with this lot. When Boris said "**** business" he really meant it. He couldn't care less the businesses that are going to go bust due to Brexit. This is a post-business party that represents the offshore uber-rich, oligarchs, and speculators. Disaster Capitalist Parasites.
I think Boris and chums will be gone by February once the true horrific reality of Brexit becomes obvious. And why hang around? They've achieved what they set out to achieve. And once done, its irrevercible. They'll be off into the sunset to count their billions
Remember when we were told that we'd get a deal easily because German carmakers would ride to the rescue and insist on it?
Germany scraps plans for Brexit talks at EU ambassadors summit
The German government, which holds the rotating presidency of the EU council, had intended to discuss Brexit during a meeting of EU ambassadors on 2 September but has now dropped the issue. “Since there hasn’t been any tangible progress in EU-UK negotiations, the Brexit item was taken off the agenda,” an EU diplomat said.
The German car industry has established that the average brit will stand 10% on a monthly pcp and the fact you cant buy their "badges" elsewhere.
The Tory backbench fear is complex and multifacted, they are no longer the slightly right wing broadly homogenised group of even Camerons time. They are split roughly as follows..
1. The ERG Brexiteer fundamentalists- Reece Mogg Mark Francois
2. Disaster capitalists/opportunistic mob - Boris Gove (also Mogg)
3. The old guard - any Tory Mp who has held a seat for many years and generally reside in the shires
4. The Red wall - or the great unwashed as they are internally referred to.
The above four groups all have fears but not the same fears.... the torment is obvious by the deafening silence and complete lack of engagement with social media etc.by the back benches is plain to see.
Oh and Rishi will be king very soon, but like Boris he will have no where to go and the Bank of England will have cut up his credit card.
Oh and Rishi will be king very soon, but like Boris he will have no where to go and the Bank of England will have cut up his credit card.
Yep.
The parasitic organism that is 'Leave' will gut the country and whoever takes over will have no room for manoeuvre.
The parasite, now fully sated, drops out of the anus of the Tories and they realise it has destroyed the internal organs.
I think you're all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They'll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn't for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second.
They're smarter than that... "this is the vital point at which we can start to really take advantage of Brexit... don't let 'them' in to mess this up*... let us sort this out".
*yes we know who have really messed things up... but that's how this works... projection works... ask the [ deleted to avoid Godwin's Law ].
They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid,
Covid has been a huge ray of sunshine and a massive stroke of luck for the Brexiteers.
Brexit would have been amazing if the country hadn't been crippled by Covid (largely ignoring that the crippling was done by a woefully incompetent Government).
Brexit hasn't impacted your Freedom of Movement, that's all down to Covid restrictions.
Brexit would have saved the NHS but Covid tipped it over the edge (and now we've been forced to sell it to the Americans and privatise the lot of it, please pay your healthcare insurance to this Cambridge Analytica / Matt Hancock corporation, in which your private data is managed by Dido Harding).
You can see the excuses being lined up now. Alongside the new opportunities to asset strip everything.
I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second.
That's if people such as yourself continue to let them control the narrative.
It will only be the typical british attribute of shrugging the shoulders and believing you can't do anything about it that will let them win.
When Boris said “**** business” he really meant it.
I think a lot of people still don't understand what this actually means. The current Government and its backers really couldn't care less about GDP, growth, how many people will lose their jobs etc, its all about the wealth of a small group of people and their ability to rinse money through the city of London, and asset strip the rest.
This is why Brexit happened, eventually trading blocs will form(the EU is an advanced version of this), and they will have laws in place preventing such money laundering and off-shoring, so those who get up to this sort of thing needed to take control of state machinery (Politics, Laws, regulations, taxation etc,) to keep funnelling their ill gotten gains through.
In essence, the UK(London) is just one off-shore money laundering off shore tax haven, and those outside this bubble...can just f*ck off. And as long as the current Government can win majorities in the HOC on between 37-43% of the vote, it will continue.
They just need to keep the minorty that vote for them sweet, the current thrown dead cat being immigrants in dinghies. The FPTP voting system is THE single cause of all of these problems. This Government will gerrymander the boundaries again and again to hold onto power.
It is way past time for the majority who didn't vote for the tories to force a change.
It is way past time for the majority who didn’t vote for the tories to force a change.
How?
You are spot on that "taking back control" is all about removing checks and balances on those who make up the government, and that the government will ensure that stay (to look after their sponsors) in even if their vote share drops at the next election... so, what do you do about it?
And, if it's not already clear to every body... this isn't just about "European courts" and "Brussels eurocrats" and "gravy train MEPs"... it is also about court systems and civil servants and parliaments and assemblies on these islands... all will be weakened or made supplicants to this lot.
What’s taken place over the last five years in this country amounts to a coup. A well planned and executed one. They colonised, then occupied the party of government, expelling or neutering any critics, then they took over the country.
It’s been a bloodless coup so far. It remains to be seen if that’s still the case when the true scale of the impending carnage unfolds in January.
I’m absolutely amazed at the bovine nature of most people in failing to even acknowledge the huge juggernaut presently barrelling towards them
I’m absolutely amazed at the bovine nature of most people in failing to even acknowledge the huge juggernaut presently barrelling towards them
The likes of Cumstains know that all they need to do is paint 'the huge juggernaut' as being 'dirty and foreign' and the sheep will believe them.
I mean, 'we' won the war for them and now they're not even grateful....
That’s if people such as yourself continue to let them control the narrative.
Judgemental much?
Meanwhile there is this...
Tories banging on about cheese and wine whilst the country burns... and no one was surprised.
How?
Well, what do you think? You either allow this to continue until they p*ss so many people off that they lose an election...how long have you got? And what measures will be put in place to cling on to power?
Or you look at alternatives.
Judgemental much?
I'm beyond the point of being 'nice' to people regarding this issue. Being nice, passive, or pointing out facts and history didn't stop this car crash from happening, in fact history teaches us that if you don't brutally shoot down these issues right from the start then it accelerates out of control.
Like the boris f*ck business quote, I don't people really understand what is really at stake here. Our democratic freedoms are being eroded, this has been going on for a few decades, but now it is accelerating, and those who seek to remove our rights and protections are pretty much the same groups who ruled over us prior to us having democracy for ourselves. When you start getting ruled by minorities, and they give you a kind of democracy where they can fashion the circumstances and control the narrative, then our fleeting glimpse of post WW2 social democracy is over.
Honestly, did anyone think that those with most to lose would let the 'great unwashed' control the the fortunes of this country, or any other country?
Or you look at alternatives.
Such as…?
I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Judgemental much?
... because your post read as being your opinion. I see what you're saying I think but I had to reread it several times. Let me edit that slightly for clarity:
I think you’re all over optimistic for a Tory fall out. They’ll be blaming Covid right up to the 2023/4 election. "Brexit would have been great, if it wasn’t for the EU, project Fear and Covid, and only Boz & Dom can see it through to the sunny uplands due to appear any second."
(That is what you meant, right?)
Well Americans and sarcasm never did make happy bedfellows but I'd expect better from a British forum.... Standards are clearly slipping 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 🙂 😉 (hope that's enough?)