It must really hurt the leave voters to know that their vote was the biggest gift Putin could’ve asked for
The only way they would care was if he tried to come over here. As long as he stays in his own country they are happy.
Brexit was voted for by the Left and the Right.
Technically true. But not in equal ratios.
I can’t take all the credit!
Oh, no, please, take all the credit with our blessings. We don't want it.
At some point, will people come to realise that the “elite” are exempt from the restrictions we’ve put on ourselves, and our children? Will that penny ever drop? Not sure it will.
This is what you lefties will never get. It’s a tradeoff. We were already restricted from Our Own blue passport, Our Own Sovereigns, Our Own Jobs and Our Own British Regulation Banana Toaster Vacuums. So we traded our EU passports for reaffirmation of England’s marital vows to the nationalist right and ruling/global oligarch class. Take that, lefties. Cry me a river The English Channel or quit snivelling and use one of those dinghies that you woke libtards love so much. Oh, I forgot, you only believe that they should go in one direction. Seems like you missed the boat. So either keep crying or grow a backbone, gulp big mugs of Dunkirk Spirit while helping us rebuild Our Country. Remember? The one that you and your beloved immigrants nearly destroyed? Your choice. And, thanks to Brexit, you do at least have that choice.
#satireisdead
Someone made a point about the Tories and their current 'success' with the vaccine. Well, they haven't ****ed it up like I'd expected them to.
But, and it is a big 'but', there is also an extra fire running alongside the race to get enough people vaccinated. Namely that in every person carrying covid there are untold millions of opportunities for a mutation to appear that renders the current vaccines useless. Johnson, with his piss weak measures, hopeless lack of enforcement/understanding and the undermining of the effort by Dominic Cummings, has left a far larger than necessary reservoir of virus in the population as a whole. I dearly hope that these vaccines are effective long enough to take covid below the critical mass, but this government's mishandling of the pandemic could still easily melt their silver bullets in front of their eyes. There is still a long way to go.
@dannyh That first sentence needs a 'yet' between up and like. Bear in mind that our ministers decided to extend the delay between doses to 12 weeks on sparse and no doubt poor science. So far it has bitten them/us but the potential is still there.
Tbh if you fk it up so often your bound to get a lucky break.
A handy CNN summary of where we are so far, for those who have had the luxury of not following the trade issues too closely…
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/20/europe/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-aftermath-gbr-intl/index.html
A copy of the presentation, first published by the Russian website Tsur, is understood to have been circulated to a number of people, including Banks. He ultimately did not invest.
Yep I think that paper trail would have been far to easy to follow.
The truth will out itself one day and we can have a laugh, in the old days you used to have an army to cause mayhem all you need now is the internet and a few quid which would be a pittance compared to how much was spent in arms races.
Whilst Banks is undoubtedly a shady character the seeds of Brexit were sown long before he got involved. Tony Blair’s open door immigration policy was the catalyst.
More like Tony Blair having his hand forced on a Lisbon treaty referendum which showed the press they could force politicians' hands and get a referendum on not just a treaty but membership.
Remember those people I mentioned who voted for Brexit because of the amount of traffic on the roads which was due to immigration rather than the new retail park? Well they also thought voting for Brexit would cut the numbers of *insert racist words here* entering the UK and didn't seem to understand that Brexit wouldn't have any impact on that sort of immigration whatsoever because next to no *insert racist words here* came from Poland or anywhere else in the EU.
Tony Blair’s open door immigration policy was the catalyst.
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Karen on Facebook doesn't think so. I think we're beginning to see a case study in how Brexit happened, right here.....
Bear in mind that our ministers decided to extend the delay between doses to 12 weeks on sparse and no doubt poor science.
Yes, because it plays better politically to vaccinate more people partly than fewer people fully. Half the useless ****s in this country probably won't turn up for the second jab anyway.
Someone made a point about the Tories and their current ‘success’ with the vaccine. Well, they haven’t ****ed it up like I’d expected them to.
Even this is being misreported. We're lording it up as a UK success over the EU27, but it's only half the story. The EU has engineered it so that people can get their booster jabs in a timely manner, over in the UK we've gone "three weeks no six weeks well 12 weeks will probably be fine". Despite what the tabloids, leavers and leaver apologists would have you believe it's just another thing that we have, in fact, ****ed up.
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Between 1997 and 2010, net annual immigration quadrupled, and the UK population was boosted by more than 2.2 million
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
thatscold - any thoughts about the plight of these guys?
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-fishermen-fear-losing-their-homes-as-export-ban-bites-12223329
Price worth paying no doubt.
Immigration from the ascension countries was probably the biggest driver for Brexit. At the time (iirc) every other EU country limited access to 10k or so for the first two-years, we had an open door changing the landscape in communities and trades/industries overnight
No idea why tjagain thinks Blair had a racist immigration policy
I feel sorry for these people and anyone in hardship as a result of COVID or Brexit.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU. I think the government should support this industry until they sort out the problem.
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
Does it matter? People voted for Brexit partly to “keep ‘em out”… the truth about how our governments chose to implement our UK immigration policy was lost on them. And still is. Many honestly believed our borders were open to anyone, and that this could only be changed out of the EU… all nonsense of course. But this does inform current UK gov policy (for the worse)… especially as regards education and the arts.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
No, it is because people (including some that are now government ministers) never understood that FTAs do not offer what the Single Market and Customs Union does. We could (but won’t) sign new FTAs with every country in the World, and it would still not make up for the fact that we have shrunk our home market to a fraction of what it was.
vindictive behaviour of the EU
The hits just keep on coming.
Hook, line and sinker.
I'm beginning to see how Brexit happened.
FFS.
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
Errrmmm - you really have no idea do you. Immigration from outside the EU has been hugely expensive and very difficult for decades.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
No - its because the government did not want to sign up to the legally required protocols to allow that trade.
the EU have not been vindictive in any way. they have been patient and far more flexible than I expected them to be
I think the government should support this industry until they sort out the problem.
There is no "sort out the problem" its structural. The only way to sort it is to rejoin the CU and SM
Errrmmm – you really have no idea do you. Immigration from outside the EU has been hugely expensive and very difficult for decades.
If you wanted to emigrate elsewhere in the world you would find the same.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal
It really is not.
It is because the Tories boxed themselves in with their 'red lines'. The 'red lines' they felt they had to impose to appease knuckle-dragging halfwits who are obsessed with 'immigration' - which is, in itself, a stalking horse for racism.
We could have had any number of softer and less damaging Brexits (none of which would be as good as just remaining), but the knuckle-draggers wouldn't want that.
This is why the Tories really don't exist any more. They are not 'conservative' in any meaningful sense. They are an English Nationalist Party now and anyone who cared tell it straight (that Brexit is a monumental **** up) was drummed out. All you have left are political opportunists (Gove, Johnson), outright crooks (Jenrick) and idiots (Truss, Williamson, Duncan-Smith). Those groupings are not mutually exclusive, by the way.
The reason Brexit is a shitshow is that it really is a monumentally stupid act of national self-harm that is going to deliver precisely none of the things that Leavers voted for. Because it was based on a pack of lies and pushed by wealthy people who want to deregulate our economy and exploit the rest of the population. That these people chose to do this by appealing to an undercurrent of petty hatreds and hang-ups just reflects very badly on the people they were targeting.
Still, awesome job, folks. No really, awesome job...
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The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the E
Hmm yep the nasty EU afters our precious.
Nasty eu wouldn’t let us have our caksies to eatsies, bad EU.
Oh, and of course the last minute, shitty Brexit 'deal' was only a last minute, shitty 'deal' because 'we' pissed and buggered about because 'the EU will cave in at the last minute, they always do' and 'they need us more than they are letting on'.
Turns out, of course, that was another pack of lies - made up to keep the numpties happy.
I'm not sure how many more times people can take Johnson's bullshit at face value, but it seems his contempt for his 'support' is a winning strategy...
Nasty eu wouldn’t let us have our caksies to eatsies, bad EU.
Actually, that's more the level that is needed. That might get through.
"Vindictive" EU, not:
thatscold
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
I can sort of empathise with some of your previous posts, sort of. However, wow... You are living in a different reality to me on this one.
The deal is poor through deliberate Government design. The EU have been incredibly patient and told us before we left we could not have our cake and eat it. Countless times in fact.
That's not being vindictive, that's just being truthful.
Being serious for a second now. Do you genuinely not yet realise you have been 'had' over Brexit? Honestly?
How many more times can you convince yourself that Brexit could be good if 'x' or 'y' hadn't happened or we could find some way to benefit from SM/CU whilst stopping free movement?
The fact is, you were sold a pup. Lied to. Cheated.
The EU is not the party who turned around to us, kicked us in the balls, then asked to have all the bits they liked and none of the bits they didn't. We had a veto. We were 'allowed' to retain Sterling. We sent them shitheads like Farage for years, to mess them about. Then we kicked them in the balls, slagged off the organisation, then arrogantly asked for all the 'pros' and none of the 'cons'. If the boot had been on the other foot you really would have had something to be angry about.
Seriously - which of the two 'sides' of Brexit do you think has acted with dignity? Acted with honesty? The EU have been consistent from day one.
Or do you know, really, that you have been had? And you just come on here looking to pick a fight to make yourself feel better? Seriously?
The realisation will come. It would be best to face up to it sooner rather than later. You should then get angry and direct that anger where it should go. At the con artists who led you up the garden path.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xEPfSWk0Lsw
If you wanted to emigrate elsewhere in the world you would find the same.
Well, I didn’t vote to make it harder for Brits to live elsewhere if they wanted. I’ll agree though it is absolutely true that the immigration policies of many countries were more restrictive (and intentionally biased in a way that can be characterised as racist)… such as Australia… but now we have actively tried to be more like them, as a stated aim… go us!
Do you genuinely not yet realise you have been ‘had’ over Brexit? Honestly?
To turn it back around, do you genuinely not yet realise that many didn’t care about the window-dressing and lies of the Leave opportunists? They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England. Even if it was just the perception of it. So, whatever the cost for such an eventuality will be (to their way of thinking) ‘worth it’ (?)
EU immigration fell substantially after the 2016 Brexit referendum
EU immigration rose sharply in the years leading up to the EU referendum in June 2016, but has declined since 2016 – a pattern reflected in both the National Insurance Number (NINo) allocation data (Figure 8) and ONS data on long-term migration flows.
In 2019, 456,000 NINos were allocated to EU citizens, down 28% from 2015. Long-term arrivals of EU citizens planning to spend at least 12 months in the UK fell by 34% over the same period, reaching 198,000 in 2019. Because the estimated emigration of EU citizens also increased, EU net migration fell more sharply – by 77% to 50,000 in 2019
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/
To turn it back around, do you genuinely not yet realise that many didn’t care about the window-dressing and lies of the Leave opportunists? They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England. Even if it was just the perception of it. Whatever the costs for that would have been (in their eyes) worth it (?)
But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible.....
If he just came out and said he doesn't like foreigners and is willing to torpedo our own economy to satisfy this prejudice I would, in a weird sort of way, perhaps respect the honesty.
But regurgitating crap from the Mail/Express/Telegraph with apparent credulity just makes me shake my head and shrug.
Without wishing to derail this thread with Covid, Brexit looks like being a significant brake on post-Covid economic recovery due to an irreversible Brexit/Covid "exodus".
You've probably all seen this:
https://www.ft.com/content/def33cfe-45c7-4323-bd08-d4fc42051f09
A couple of lines therein present the problem. Foreigners have left The UK in droves, 1.3 million in the year up to last Summer, and they've continued to leave as the Covid lockdowns have ended their jobs. Even if EU citizens would like to return to the UK post Covid they've lost their settled status and will have to go through the whole third country process and get a visa. Given the type of jobs many occupied that's unlikely to be possible or viable even if it is.
So as the locked down sectors unlock they're going to be faced with staff shortages, that's going to put a brake on recovery. There's going to be a shortage of single, highly mobile, hard working people happy to work for a subsistance income in lousy accomodation just to live the UK experience.
Junior is in a French institution with many young people who historically would have been keen to work/study in the UK. In our most recent discussion on friends' plans none of his contemporaries have plans to either work or study in the UK. Berlin is the new London with several having plans to move there if they haven't already, Latin America also attracts, and Spain... .
It'll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.
They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England.
Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?
#satireisdead
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It’ll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.
Oh yes. Our current lead in vaccinations is a short term plus. I'm not negating the huge debt we owe to the NHS and the volunteers that made/are making this happen by the way! My God, quite the opposite. However, soon things will move on to economies around the world recovering from this storm. That's when our lead in vaccines will soon be forgotten and we will be forever playing catchup. The EU will rebuild, the UK will be watching from the sidelines.
We are the only economy dealing with Covid recovery and a national self harm psychosis at the same time. It's going to be nasty once the UK is taken off the furlough life support drip.
@p7eaven
Of course immigration fell after 2016 they didn't know if they'd be allowed to stay. I used to work for a company that had 2 production facilities on 1 site. One was mainly staffed by Poles, the other locals. Guess which had the better output and people eager to work overtime if demand was there? One of the Polish guys nail gunned his hand to a timber beam. Got a mate to take the nail out, taped his hand up, carried on his shift and only went to hospital after work. Any of the locals will be off sick for the merest scratch and calling for compo.
"The immigrants" aren't taking jobs, the locals are too damn lazy to look. The business lost loads of staff as they felt they weren't wanted and productivity suffered. Quite ironic as the company owner was a leaver and wondered why they were all going home and it had a negative effect on the company.
Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?
Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Get a feel for proper English, not your champagne libtard socialist globalist fake talk. Reform UK will sort you Beeb-lipped Bolsheviks out.
Less immigrants = more Proper British. Less immigrants means more jobs. Maybe you should learn the difference between ‘less’ and ‘more’? Leave still means leave, just in case you wish to quibble that also.
#parodyindecline
You guys realise it's only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we're in the midst of a global pandemic?
Whipping yourselves into a frenzy and trying really, really, really hard to blame everything that's wrong in life on the referendum result...
Time to get out and get some fresh air. Maybe ride some bikes!
proper English
Proper British.
Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?
Are you for real? Have you got your head in the sand?
The huge damage to this county that was foretold in project fear is coming true - pretty much all of it
You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?
Different thread. Different shit. Same Govt. (Same shits)
proper English
Proper British.
Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?
You think that ‘British’ is a language? You speak ‘proper British?’ Novel.
You think that only English people voted for Brexit. Or British people?
Must try harder.
#fullfatpoeslaw
You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?
Here is your reminder that our government (and official opposition) knew we were in the middle of global pandemic, yet refused to even entertain the idea of extending the transition period so that we (UK and EU) could concentrate on one problem at a time. Led by donkeys.
