I feel sorry for these people and anyone in hardship as a result of
COVID orBrexit.
Don't conflate these things. They aren't the same and it's a deliberate misdirection to suggest otherwise.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal,
The loss of this trade is due to brexit. Period. No ifs, no buts, no The Big Boy Did It And Ran Away.
If you can describe how a better outcome might've been negotiated, we're all ears. You've got a blank canvas and an open mic, go. How would you have done it differently? Tell us what your good deal looks like.
Cos the last I heard, your lot didn't want one. You were all barking for far worse than what we eventually got, "no deal is better than a bad deal" remember? You were crowing for more loss of trade, because that's seemingly better, somehow. They need us more than we need them, or something. That's working out well, isn't it.
and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
You can't hand in your gym membership and then still expect to use the treadmill on Tuesdays when it's quiet. That's not the gym being vindictive, that's protecting their paying members who would otherwise go "wait, why are we paying for gym membership when these guys can use our facilities for free?"
The EU has been very clear, open and consistent throughout this process. It is very, very well documented. If you believe they've been vindictive then please tell us in what way they've been so.
Boris was in such a hurry to get it done almost nothing was checked or negotiated.
One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can "visit " the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only "visit" the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.
What kind of a deal is that?? its half the time - who worked on that gem of a deal??
If you believe they’ve been vindictive then please tell us in what way they’ve been so.
Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.
Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum thread in the deluded sense that your words are somehow making a difference?
I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back...
Feel free to selectively quote my posts if that makes you feel better.
One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can “visit ” the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only “visit” the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.
Depends on the details surely. Having a more generous “visitor” arrangement may actually be a benefit.
Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum
100% Poe/troll. Well played.
On the EU side nothing has changed on the three months "visit" (as opposed to work), it's only what happens after three months that's changed. Taking the French example: before Brexit people had to formalise their presence after three months, it's just that there was a right to stay beyond three months if you could fulfil some basic conditions of resources, you now need to ask nicely but if you do you can stay up to six months:
https://www.demarches.interieur.gouv.fr/particuliers/visa-long-sejour-sejour-mois-an
The six months on both sides is no doubt hoped to generate income and limit damage to businesses dependant on longer stay visitors.
If you're rich enough (or a priest/Iman/religious bod) you can get a long stay visa for France, you'd be surprised at how much Russian is spoken in Biaritz, or maybe you wouldn't. The conditions aren't cleary laid out, it's case by case, the main one in reality is the ability to spend lots of money.
See Faarage up here, his wife can legally set up in France and Farrage as her husband would fulfil the conditions for a visa. How many of those who voted for him are in that happy position? He's retained freedom of movement for himself having denied to the vast majority of his supporters. I can't think af any of the Leave team who couldn't live permanently in France if they so wish, but you?
On thing that does delight me is the way the Irish community which has been the butt of jokes and discrimination in the UK for centuries is now in the happy position of retaining EU privileges.
But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible…..
If he just came out and said he doesn’t like foreigners
But he’s merely trolling you between dinners, whilst grinning wistfully in the gratifying knowledge that you all neither eat, watch films, nor have a significant other with whom to chortle at the silly frenzied mounting* bikers.
I do find poe/satire-trolling a bit weird tbh. I sometimes do it myself, yet openly admit that it has limited appeal. Existential humour is (IME) often a weird sort of coping mechanism. But I do realise that trolling has many other possible motivations, and assuming makes asses etc.
*tipped hand 😉
Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.
World Cup, man, don't forget the World Cup. They are still sore that we won it.
I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back…
I view a few seconds spent typing 'knuckle dragging halfwits obsessed with immigration' and thinking of you as quite enjoyable, actually. So no worries there.
Hope you enjoyed your dinner - it won't be long before it costs you a significant amount more and any meat is pumped full of additives.
I assume it was something patriotic you had - meat and two veg and none of that foreign muck?
Today will be spent doing a little bit of bike maintenance, dropping some birthday presents off to my nieces and then having a lovely sunday dinner with my wife and two children. We all have our own lives, chap, it is just that some of us can go to bed each night safe in the knowledge that we are right.
You lost when you 'won'. You still think you 'won'. I pity you.
You lost when you ‘won’. You still think you ‘won’. I pity you.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal
Yeah but a good deal was never really possible. This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
Well we do seem to get more trolls than any tangible benefit of Brexit or the rules that they were so against that now don’t apply 🙂
Anyway fire up the patriotic music
(Reuters) - Britain could restrict imports of European mineral water and several food products under retaliatory measures being considered by ministers over Brussels’ refusal to end its blockade on British shellfish, the Telegraph reported.
We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’
Tangible benefits seem to apply to EU nationals in EU countries, thanks to the totally not moronic, or racist, or spiteful etc intentions of the brexit voters.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/21/sussex-medicines-firm-takes-production-line-abroad-white-van-beat-brexit-ban
This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.
They didn’t want a bloody deal! They wanted OUT! Blue passports. Drawbridge raised.
They* wanted fewer foreigners and to ‘own’ the remainers. End of. IIRC ‘no deal’ was bandied around as the best of all ‘deals’. Almost as a mark of defiance/declaration of FU.
At whatever the cost. That’s no ‘mistake’. They got what they wanted. Any hardship would be worth seeing Ondrej and family down the road pack their bags and **** off back to Foreignistan. They also don’t have to worry about bananas and toasters any more.
*Unless you mean the opportunistic Brexiteers? The ones instrumental/cashing in on the self-appointed crisis? They too got what they wanted. They’ll be buggering off to South of France or Malta etc soon-enough if not already. Fauxrage for instance is already milking it by the increased trust his part in Brexit has built in GB’s OAPs/the faithful. The word ‘Great’ is a particular device.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
I couldn't give a toss either way.
Trolling = sad troll who hasn't got enough going on in their life.
Genuine = sad, deluded, cheated, resentful person who looks daft to anyone with an objective view.
It's a lose-lose from thatscold's side...
Re the Sussex medicines story above, it would be poetic if the white van involved was driven by a Brexity type.
I can see him now, red faced, shouting at the departing company "yeah, get lost, bloody foreigners anyway, we don't need your sort here".
Then realising 30 seconds later they've made up more than 50% of his work in the last five years.
Probably didn't happen like that, but it is amusing to speculate.
We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’
I'm sure those dastardly continentals will be flying the white flag pretty soon. I mean, there is no possible way around this other than...... turning on the tap and drinking the water from there.
There'll always be an England etc.....
Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads
Can I stick hot pins in my eyeballs instead? That will be far less painful and just as useful!
Well we do seem to get more trolls
A Brexit Benefit, they are outing themselves for the big cull.
My apologies - I misread the mineral water story as being the UK refusing to export rather than import.
Oh well, council pop from now on.
Our friend is a hard worker in the cleaning industry. Years of breathing in fumes has damaged her lungs and physically she is shot. In recent years she has taken to selling handbags on eBay and had a good trade selling ones from Italy. She was able to scale back on the cleaning.
This has now had to stop and she is having to ramp up the cleaning with all the health implications.
She voted leave.
Shame...
Shame…
A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.
She lives in Cornwal. Her husband was the one that informed me that all the Cornish fish had to go to a central EU fish market and then be sold back to us.
She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.
Don't die of ignorance. Plenty will.
That is shitty. It is small specialist sellers that will be hit hardest… many will stop or just pay more to fulfilment specialists here or abroad and have even tighter margins.
A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.
What on earth possessed her to vote leave?
It is possible to have sympathy on an individual level, particularly if she admits the error. But she did get what she voted for. This is not a vindictive statement, just a fact.
No sympathy from me in the slightest, or to put it another way....**** her, I'll save my sympathy for those who voted remain, like my mate who is about to lose his fishing boat, his house and end up £400k in debt due to the whims and utter ignorance of others.
*** her
She already did. To herself. I doubt anything anyone says will make it any better or worse.
If she was still giving it the big'uns about 'winning' then sticking the boot in would be entirely appropriate. If she has realised the error and acknowledges it, then it really just comes down to a shrug of the shoulders.
🤷♂️
Edit: But it is worth saying that I do have lots of sympathy for the bloke who is going to lose everything and didn't vote for this shitshow.
She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.
Is that what she pays National Insurance contributions for her whole working life, just to call the scheme a ‘handout’ if she qualifies for benefits?
‘Our employer poisoned us by cutting costs, we have insurance but don’t use it. It’s a matter of pride/only scummy people use it’ ?
Does she also refuse National Health care/services?
Maybe that’s one of the reasons why she voted out? Ideologically? To try and move another step closer to a more privatised US-style existence, where workers are often and easily walking the tightrope of being one pay-cheque/one illness from homeless or losing everything to a bad health-insurance deal?
Maybe have a whip around, raise a couple of hundred so she can invest in Wetherspoons? Just don’t call it a ‘handout’. In fact, Nigey-babes will no doubt gladly accept that couple of hundred in return for granting her access to his Great British Freedom For The Fortunate Scheme Thing - and if anyone knows how to come out of all this still smelling of moolah then it must certainly be Nige.
I don't think the amount of 'good' in the world goes up as a result of sticking the boot into someone who already admits they ****ed up voting Leave. My feelings are basically just neutral towards people like this - all I can muster is a shrug.
My mum voted Leave. Some crap about too much immigration leading to a civil war at some point. I asked what on earth she was on about and she couldn't answer. She has apologised twice since, saying how much she regrets voting Leave. I have just said on both occasions that it is too late to have regrets and I'd rather not talk about it because if I did we probably wouldn't speak ever again. The subject is just closed - I won't be the one to open it up again. If she had gone down the 'I won, you lost' route I doubt we would have spoken since.
She did also say before Johnson got the leadership of the Tories that if he did get it, it would 'be the end of the Conservative Party'. I just told her that it had already ended and been taken over by a English nationalist cabal, but not enough people had noticed. We don't talk politics at all nowadays.
They didn’t want a bloody deal! They wanted OUT! Blue passports. Drawbridge raised.
Nah not all of them. There was a lot of talk about our place in the single market not being threatened and so on. Having our cake and eating it via some great mythical deal was the promise.
the Cornish fish had to go to a central EU fish market and then be sold back to us.
Not sure if totally accurate. I think most of the fish they catch is not popular here but is abroad- hence it goes where the bulk of demand is.
Nah not all of them. There was a lot of talk about our place in the single market not being threatened and so on. Having our cake and eating it via some great mythical deal was the promise.
Yeah but.....
Look at the cast of crooks, liars and shitheads who were pushing Leave. Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.
Look at the company you keep.
The latest plan from Bozo the Clown.
Forget the bridge to Ireland, forget the tunnel to Ireland.
It's now multiple tunnels with a roundabout under the Isle of Man.
Boris ‘wants to build giant roundabout under the Isle of Man’
It’s now multiple tunnels with a roundabout under the Isle of Man.
I must have been hibernating, It's not April already is it?
I wish Johnson would just **** off.
He is supposedly representing 'us'. How can we ever look anyone else in the rest of the world ever again?
It is just embarrassing.
Oh, and for the record....
I know that metro story isn't truly genuine. It is just another contemptuous little play from the Vladislav Surkov 'asymmetric information war for dummies' (big print version). Keep the bullshit flowing, keep people who want to believe befuddled, make everything a bit fuzzy and a bit refutable.
A guaranteed pension plan wasn't the only thing Cumstains et al picked up from the Russians.
Tesco didn't have any Boursin herb and garlic soft cheese last night.
**** brexit. Possibly.
What on earth possessed her to vote leave?
A husband force fed lies and not smart enough to know it.
A husband force fed lies and not smart enough to know it.
Silly sods.
Just collateral damage to the profiteers.
If we're going to build a batshit crazy tunnel network linking at a roundabout under the Isle Of Man, why not replace that link to Heysham or Liverpool with one linking the northern tip of Anglesey?
It's all bollocks.
Meant to keep the hard of thinking guessing while still wanting to believe.
"Look at this nonsense the media trot out - they'll be claiming he's got seven children next....."
Boring if you know what you are looking at. Confusing if you are easy to confuse.
The whole tunnel stuff is just another diversion ,it’s not an infrastructure issue it’s a Brexit policy issue all the tunnels in the world won’t make much of a difference (well other than diverting lorries from the lorry parks).
However, another source said while some senior aides describe the plan as ‘bats**t’, they acknowledge it as a ‘Fuhrer bunker project’. One told the paper: ‘Just as Hitler moved around imaginary armies in the dying days of the Third Reich, so the No 10 policy unit is condemned to keep looking at this idea, which exists primarily in the mind of the PM.’
As writer of fiction Boris is actually reasonably entertaining in a similar way as Clarkson.
If only he understood the difference between ‘ruining’ and ‘running’ a country 🙂
It's all just crap to keep his 'support' saying stuff like:
"At least he's not boring and grey like that Labour guy".
Or
"He's always been a bit if a character, you can't take everything he says as gospel but at least he is prepared to think outside the box".
And also to distract from the inconvenient true stuff:
"The media are out to get him, this just proves it".
As I said above, it is part of the game to keep people guessing. The key is to not be taken in by it.
This is an article explaining what I mentioned earlier re: vaccines. It's worth a read.
^^^^
You mean the strategy of one dose to many rather than two doses to fewer was chosen because it results in a straight numbers game - where heroic old Blighty can appear to be winning?
Well, you could knock me down with a feather. Boris Johnson in 'creating an illusion for personal political gain' shocker....
A Brexity acquaintance of mine got all huffy when I suggested that De Pfeffel selected this option because it plays better politically to simpletons.
