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That's a great piece of writing.
Nothing to see here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/03/leave-eu-liquidation-brexit-arron-banks
Leave.EU quietly goes into liquidation. I wish I could borrow 7M and then have it written off...
I wish I could borrow 7M and then have it written off…
Why should he care? It probably wasn’t his money in the first place, just a donation from a kind benefactor (allegedly)
I'd also quite like to know the nationality of the alleged kind benefactor but no doubt it'll remain one of life's little mysteries.
Need to bring back debtors prison.
Yes, we could have a magical Dickensian Christmas! As the well-heeled gentry promenade through the city, mischievous children forage by candlelight for scraps, while the nearby workhouse thrums with industry.
Wow.... Just wow....
I would love to meet Tim Martin for a dance.
Sunlit uplands people, sunlit uplands.
The gap between wealthiest and poorest in UK and USA continues to grow.
Meanwhile in Europe we see stronger growth AND less inequality.
https://www.ft.com/content/ef265420-45e8-497b-b308-c951baa68945
Ah yes. The new European Club of Nations. It seems familiar. 🤔
🙄🙄🙄
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62967084
And treasury refuses to publish economic forecasts, the entire Brexit jolly is an absolute spiffing wheeze
for a "bright" guy what a cretin, that's going to spook the markets more than publishing them, they'll just assume the worst.
Reducing what is published will also make it harder for opposition parties and regional leaders to critique policies and suggest informed alternatives. This is getting the government ready for an election where it claims to have the plans, but you can’t see them, knowing that many voters don’t want to be troubled with details and evidence anyway. It’s how it wins elections.
After all that's exactly how Truss became PM. "As soon as I am PM I will deploy my plan to solve the energy crisis" "What is the plan?" "I'm not telling you" "But you'll be PM tomorrow, surely you must know what it is, if you're going to launch it immediately?" "LA LA LA"
Isn’t this just a repeat of David Davis and his refusal to publish the economic forecasts during the Brexit negotiations, before finding out that was because there weren’t any?
It’s certainly got that ring about it
knowing that many voters don’t want to be troubled with details and evidence anyway. It’s how it wins elections
So, just like the Labour Party then.
And in other fantastic BREXIT news, we get to pay more to use our Mobile Phones abroad https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/08/mse-report-eu-mobile-roaming-warning/
Sorry, the article is about 6 weeks old, but I have only just found it and it is still relevant
That's nothing new..
I'm still clinging onto my legacy 3 contract for this reason.
I’m still clinging onto my legacy 3 contract for this reason.
They cancelled mine:-(
Isn’t this just a repeat of David Davis and his refusal to publish the economic forecasts during the Brexit negotiations, before finding out that was because there weren’t any?
☝️ That's what I was thinking. I suspect Bizzy Lizzy has inherited an absolutely empty desk. She's also changing everything, and I suspect the civil service and researchers are struggling to keep up.
I also know first hand what trying to sign a £5 million contract to deliver a headline Conservative policy, announced at COP26, is like at the moment. It's like trying to negotiate with an intern, with Darth stood in the background threatening to cancel it all.... To give you insight, the contract had no numbering of clauses and 'tbc' in the KPI/outputs section...
I’m still clinging onto my legacy 3 contract for this reason.
Lebara are still doing free EU roaming. Sim only and use Vodafone network. Very easy to extend data allowance for just a month in needed.
Don't worry.
We'll have a great fabulous trade deal with the USA instead.
Ohhh... hang on. No we won't.
Wonder if they lied 🤔
Lebara are still doing free EU roaming. Sim only and use Vodafone network. Very easy to extend data allowance for just a month in needed.
And, of you sign up to the MSE deal, 1p per month for 6 months of unlimited calls & text, 12gb of 4g & 5g data...
Our whole family is now on Lebara...
The anti-environment nazi party in charge now, so thsat £5m COP26 job has a high risk of being axed, unless you can show it'll involve using imported energy made by burning non-British coal.
That's Lizzy-can't-be-truss-t and her English Nazi-ist party in action for you. And plenty of fhoookwhits voted for it.
The problem facing Brexit is that it is not ageing very well.
John Curtice
The EU have also voted to endorse their Brexit infringement bill
Minford did say that the car industry would go,unfortunately that wasn’t on a bus.
Truss attempted to release full on Brexit(didn’t survive a month), they are still banging on about deregulation and ‘lack of’ enterprise zones, the denial is strong in them.
We also haven’t seen/felt the full impact of the trade deals with Aus,NZ, that’s a future treat.
There were really only two things 'British' about Britishvolt - it's name and that British taxpayers were paying...
Based on what I've seen & read over the last week or two it feels like we've reached a point where only shills & gullible idiots now believe that Brexit will be good for the UK - anyone on here still behind it?
Ah but you’ve got to give it some time to reap the benefits of it 🙂
TBH now the incompetence of Truss has been so well shown, you do wonder if people will start wondering about her other great pieces of work in the trade deals.
you do wonder if people will start wondering about her other great pieces of work in the trade deals.
Unfortunately it'll be too far in the future as the real 'impacts' are phased over years/decades.
An interesting take on the wider context of the Truss situation.
https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1581911289638420481?t=c3-pv4vy3FScFSBM9rmWMA&s=19
Based on what I’ve seen & read over the last week or two it feels like we’ve reached a point where only shills & gullible idiots now believe that Brexit will be good for the UK – anyone on here still behind it?
Oh yes, the usual crowd are telling anyone that even vaguely suggests rejoining that it's too late, nobody wants it and we just need to get on with it.
**** that. If I have a strop and go out for a walk in shorts and a Tshirt and it starts pissing down I go home, why the hell would I want to continue on with such a massive act of self harm?
Your analogy would be better if the rain was sulphuric acid.
Your analogy would be better if the rain was sulphuric acid.
Given the post-Brexit rush to remove ourselves from all those pesky EU environmental protection rules like not dumping raw shit into rivers and seas, not using bee-killing pesticides, not eaten hormone-riddled beef and chicken, not pouring clouds of pollutants into the air, the rain will soon be sulphuric acid. Raining down gently on scorched earth and sewage.
The Government seems intent on removing as many environmental protection laws as possible in the name of "growth" and "less red tape".
If I have a strop and go out for a walk in shorts and a Tshirt and it starts pissing down I go home, why the hell would I want to continue on with such a massive act of self harm?
In this analogy... you've sold your home... you shouldn't have... people told you to have another think about it... but you still went ahead and did it, without a plan or the means to buy another one... and in fact there isn't another one closer than Africa or the Pacific or North America anyway. All a long walk away. Time to seek shelter for sure (ignoring people telling you it isn't raining, or that rain is good for you, or not to mention the rain)... but be under no illusions that you can just walk back into that home you no longer have any rights to. I'd be talking nicely to those new owners though, through their letterbox... while standing in that porch of theirs that you built.
Well yes, inevitable conclusion of me walking out in a strop involves negotiation and compromise before I get back in, much less treated like an equal.
(I should probably add I've never managed to monumentally piss anyone off to that extent so I'm kinda winging it here)
Definitely some truth in Matt_OAB's video- a US economist I know who orbits a lot in right wing fakeonomics circles says that the US crowd are all absolutely raging, not because it's failed so fast and completely but because it was allowed to happen at all. They're all for it as a theoretical end goal because it means they can get things done that would never happen otherwise along that presumed journey- it's the whole Chicago school of the unthinkable, stuff that makes no sense in its own right can be done as long as it's a means to an end, even if the end goal also makes no sense and is never supposed to happen- it just has to be remote enough to ignore all that.
But they don't want it to ever actually happen because then it goes from a nice simple sounding idea that they can sell to idiots and zealots, forever, to an obvious lie.
Basically, it's like a doomsday cult that's accidentally set their doomsday for tomorrow instead of the year 2092. The point was never the end of the world, it was to screw teenage cult members and get money from old ones. Now we're the day after doomsday
They will recover- they'll say it was done wrong, or that it would totally have worked if not for those meddling kids, or they'll just pretend it didn't happen or wait til it's forgotten since it's just in far off little britain. But right now they're livid
Well yes, inevitable conclusion of me walking out in a strop involves negotiation and compromise before I get back in, much less treated like an equal.
And to break my own take on the analogy... you didn't even "sell" the house, you just signed it away... all your friends and relatives told you not to... but you went ahead with it anyway... just gave the house away... after years of hard work making it what it is. To add insult to injury... you're actually still PAYING the new homeowner to do continued repairs and improvements on the house that you'd agreed to before you left ... on a house you can no longer use! What... a... mug. Go and stand in that porch you paid for and start talking nicely through the letterbox.
Ah yes,I keep forgetting about the divorce bill,doesn’t help they have to pay it in Euros, that €41.8Bn.
While we wait for 100 MPs to pick us a new PM that no one really wants… our headless government is still pushing ahead with this…
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1583099796163682304?s=21
That alarmed me, and I've dug into it a bit. I think all that Bill is proposing is giving them the power to make Regulations amending (or repealing) all the residual EU legislation. This Bill doesn't actually repeal anything directly. Although it does mean that repeals and changes will get reduced scrutiny, they still have to through them one by one and set down the plans for MPs to review and object. See the explanatory notes:
There's also a reference to 'sunset' which (again, I think) means that the power to do this will lapse at the end of 2023, so if an EU derived law hasn't been changed by then, the powers under the Bill would need to be extended if changes were still planned.
If you're reading it differently, I'm happy to be corrected.
I’m waiting for my favourite legal writer to cover it tbh but I thought the sunset clause effectively removed all the retained laws that were left,there is a mechanism for extension for the process to take till 2026 as they are acknowledging that it’s a a big job.
It’s a horrible thing as we didn’t have these laws foisted upon us and we are allowing ministers to ‘decide’ what they don’t like.
I think this is one of those behind the scenes things that isn’t getting the attention it deserves due to the truss circus keeping attention from it and since I don’t think we really ever had an answer from anyone who knew what ‘eu’ law prevented them from actually doing something worries me.
On 22 September 2022, the UK Government published the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill (‘the Bill’). Under the Bill, all retained EU law will be revoked on 31 December 2023 (or at a later date prior to 23 June 2026 if a consensus to delay is reached) unless Members of Parliament take steps to codify it into UK law. The potential regulatory effect of the Bill is seismic. In this article we explore the Bill’s content, and the impact it could have on businesses operating across all sectors.
Retained eu law and revocation bill and why it matters you your business
I think this is being pushed thru to make the path back to the E.U. Impossible and even when the people responsible for Brexit are finally flushed out of government their legacy will remain with us for years,for others to sort out the mess they have created.
Just remember selling to an eu customer was just as easy as sticking an address label on a box and getting dhl to pick it up, or just driving your van/lorry straight over, you could operate a business from your bedroom.
No other cost used to be incurred ,now each eu country has its differing taxes and regulations and the accompanying paper work and clearance processes and not forgetting rules of origin all exciting fun and costly endeavours.
Fine if your a multinational but joe public with a dream and a product meh.
No need to panic – I’m very confident the chief Lexiter of STW will, very shortly, be along to post a massive wall of stuff telling - no ordering - us that brexshit is over and we need to move on. Ending with one of his hilarious, nuanced and subtle personal insults.
we didn’t have these laws foisted upon us and we are allowing ministers to ‘decide’ what they don’t like.
I think you'll find this is "taking back control." We knew what we were voting for, etc.
I think this is one of those behind the scenes things that isn’t getting the attention it deserves due to the truss circus keeping attention from it
Odd, that, isn't it. A cynical person might think that it was intentional, if the Tories had any prior record of deadcatism politics. But it would be completely out of character to manufacture something headline-grabbing in order to divert attention from what's actually important.
Oh.
That alarmed me, and I’ve dug into it a bit. I think all that Bill is proposing is giving them the power to make Regulations amending (or repealing) all the residual EU legislation. This Bill doesn’t actually repeal anything directly
As @dudeofdoom says, thats the opposite of what it actually means. the sunset clause means that any EU derived law that hasn't already been incorporated into UK legislation by that point will cease to have effect.
The bill give the government the option to extend the sunset period if they want. But I can't see that happening.
The powers in this bill are absolutely terrifying. Not only do we throw away vast swathes of law that we previously signed up to because "EU bad" , but it gives more power amend legislation to the executive without parliamentary scrutiny.
49 This Bill establishes a power to restate retained EU law. This power will enable UK Ministers
and devolved authorities to clarify, consolidate and restate any secondary REUL to preserve
the effect of the current law whilst removing it from the category of REUL.53 This Bill establishes powers to revoke or replace any secondary REUL. This power gives the
UK Government and the devolved authorities the ability to revoke secondary REUL (or
assimilated secondary law after the sunset date in 2023), and to replace it if they wish to do so.
The replacement can achieve the same or similar objectives (under subsection 2) or implement
new provisions with different objectives as the Minister (or devolved authority) considers
appropriate (under subsection 3).
all retained EU law will be revoked on 31 December 2023
Apologies, that's correct, I misunderstood (in my post above) what was being sunsetted. Or perhaps I just found it hard to believe that even out present Government would do that. I'm fairly sure that wasn't in the plan we were told about before the referendum. Just another example of much harder 'getting Brexit done' actually is, resulting in it being bodged and shortcut.
all retained EU law will be revoked on 31 December 2023
This is the bonfire of red tape that was promised.
Shame it's the red tape that keeps us safe at work, gives us rights, protects the environment, sets minimum standards in so many areas of life...
Obviously, businesses up and down the country are drowning in new "red tape" with us outside the single market and customs union that surrounds us... but most want to keep most of the existing regulations that mean that they can do the right thing for employees and the environment without it making them uncompetitive with other businesses prepared to cut those corners. There's more than one kind of "red tape" regulation... I've not seen any new ones that are positive for any worker or SME yet... but plenty that get in the way of just getting on with things.
This is someone else's opinion... not sure how much of it I agree with yet... but I've been thinking about it this morning, and thought I'd share...
Well I agree with every word of that statement from Nitin Sawhney.
Can I just say…
Failed Brexperiment
hash tag it if you like.
Penny dropping...
BBC News - UK doomed without Brexit rethink, warns Tory backer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63371743
^^ Yeah, I read that earlier.
Paints a bloody bleak and believable picture eh?
Guy Hands is likely to be dismissed as a greedy and biased hedge fund manager.
That's an easier response than addressing the points he makes.
The thing is, that's also the exact line <everyone> that's against brexit should be taking. You don't have to say "brexit was a terrible idea and you were a terrible idiot if you believed the terrible liars that pushed it"- though, it's mostly fair. You can say "Brexit was a huge challenge and a huge promise and the government was not up to that challenge. Now we're in an absolute mess because of that failure. The people who told you it'd be easy, that we'd hold all the cards, that it was oven-ready, that made all those promises, were the same people who couldn't deliver any of it. And so here we are. If you believed them, you should be angrier than the people who didn't. Nobody got what they were promised"
Guy Hands is likely to be dismissed as a greedy and biased hedge fund manager.
He was this evening by intellectual heavyweight Ian Duncan Smith, who said he needs to return to the UK and pay tax.
???? AHEM!?!?! BLUE PASSPORTS!!?
All Ireland Single Energy Market at risk from… well… is “Brexit zealots” an appropriate term?
Another heroic win for the DUP.😐
The DUP raise flag shagging to whole new level...
Fundamentally they want to be ruled by their Tory overloads and don't want to govern themselves...
Its like they want to politicaly "section" themselves.
Not sure they are Brexit zealots.
Don’t think they are overly concerned about Brexit other than as a vehicle for their own agenda.
But of a common theme with Brexit IMHO.
Fundamentally they want to be ruled by their Tory overloads and don’t want to govern themselves…
A bit like the Scottish Tories too.
Oops looks like they’ve found another 1400 laws to add to the other laws that need reviewing.
So with a choice 3800 eu laws I’ve still never heard anyone actually state which one they really wanted gone as it was stopping them doing something.
Still I suppose people won’t notice the law when’s it’s gone since they don’t realise it exists anyway 🙂
Still I suppose people won’t notice the law when’s it’s gone since they don’t realise it exists anyway
Hmmm, I suspect that might not be true…
#BigYellowTaxiMoment
Stop fretting folk, a couple of Tory Backbenchers say it'll be fine...
In a second confrontation with the union leaders, it was left to the Conservative backbenchers Marcus Fysh and David Jones, prominent Eurosceptics, to give the government assurances they were seeking.
“I’m quite sure that the government and its ministers will be very keen to make sure that people’s rights are preserved. I can’t personally imagine a scenario in which they wouldn’t be very careful about those things,” said Fysh.
“There is no way the government would scrap these rights you are talking about,” added Jones.
So with a choice 3800 eu laws I’ve still never heard anyone actually state which one they really wanted gone as it was stopping them doing something.
The problem the supposedly intelligent remainers are missing - are still missing - is, to the great unwashed it was never about the laws themselves. It's about the idea of those laws. People like James O'Brian (and folk on the forum, likely myself included) asked them what EU law they were most looking forward to getting rid of, they either couldn't answer or came up with some nonsense hopelessly detached from reality, and we laughed at them.
But that's the wrong question. Their objection was to the notion that someone else was making our laws. What those laws actually are is neither here nor there. (And of course, it's a notion based on ignorance and fuelled by propaganda.)
You cannot counter heart with head, it just doesn't work. People don't want to hear Mr Logic explaining European political process, they want to hear "I know, terrible isn't it."
I also have a sneaky/sinking feeling that the people who actually knew what rules they wanted going weren't going to be shouting it from the treetops 🙂
People don’t want to hear Mr Logic explaining European political process, they want to hear “I know, terrible isn’t it.”
I think the "sovrinty" and laws thing was just the respectable veneer that was stuck on top of a thick layer of racism and xenophobia so that we could vote guilt-free to kick foreigners.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988
"The chief executive of High Street chain Next is urging the government to let more foreign workers into the UK to alleviate chronic labour shortages.
Lord Wolfson, who was a prominent advocate of Brexit, said the UK's current immigration policy was crippling economic growth."
TBH isn't that due to the fact that fewer workers means he has to pay more or offer a better package to entice people to work for him as opposed to being able to treat em like sh... 🙂
A Brexit positive.
Although I think its a tad more involved that as you could lose staff from other sectors, like health.
Macdonald''s currently pay 50p/hour more than a primary learning support assistant can be paid. 🙄
Yeah my wife is currently a TA earning less than she could at Costa. And she has to drive to work rather than walk.
Given the state of Legal Aid, we have a situation where in the UK, Barrista's can earn more than Barristers.
And the Tory answer, of course, is "more austerity. More! More!"
“The chief executive of High Street chain Next is urging the government to let more foreign workers into the UK to alleviate chronic labour shortages
It’s actually quite shocking that one of the main advocates, who’s clearly an intelligent bloke, failed to notice that the whole project was fuelled by racism