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It's not really going well for anyone though is it? My uncle thinks it's going badly but he was probably expecting to have re-invaded the colonies by now.
Slim pickings for Brexit positives.
Even the government now say that it will create hard times but that will be good for us in the long run. A far cry from the nirvana being promised during and after the referendum.
Crown symbol on a glass – I remember them but – honestly that’s what counts as a Brexit benefit
Some benefit, glass makers who put the crown symbol on their products won't be able to sell them abroad as it won't be recognised like the CE mark. So they'll have to put that on anyway kinda defeating the purpose.
Even the government now say that it will create hard times but that will be good for us in the long run
Never before has so much bollocks been spoken by so few to so many.
Single figures by this time next year?
I'm more concerned about the 15% that think it's going well. I mean, which bits of it? Did they actually hear the question?
Wait, does Brexit mean increased parts availability for my Leyland DAF camper?
Slim pickings for Brexit positives.
I’m still awaiting something positive as I can’t believe they effectively in 2 years not rolled out something more realistic.
I found it interesting to see that the YouTube van-lifer were now showing the issues involved in rocking around the eu with having to spend months in the non Schengen areas which are not on the sunny spots you would really be wanting to spend the winter in, a far cry from the just rock up and party old days.
Ah well blue passports and crown engravings for you and no cheap retirement/travelling and golden visas for the rich so they can still live the dream as usual 🙂
Thought your experiences came across really well, not sure why you got that reaction.
Because its cobbled together solutions based on goodwill replacing simple and seamless processes.
I absolutely agree. What we are finding though (I'm still in the dairy industry) is that business is increasing quite dramatically we can't keep up with production as customers are struggling to source from abroad, more are buying from British suppliers. Obviously this won't be the case across all industries or even within this particular sector.
Massive, huge Brexit win. By that I mean that one singular, tiny aspect of it with one singular company isn't as shite as it is for everyone else. For the moment anyway. Huzza!
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1480472384679387136?s=20
Is this the legendary ‘Brexit Dividend’ then?
Meanwhile, Liz is threatening the EU with triggering Article 16 again, to which I imagine the reaction in Brussels will be “yeah, whatever…”
https://twitter.com/itvnewspolitics/status/1479956901387456516?s=21
^^ Yeah, another day/Brexit minister...another threat. Imagine her surprise when she finds out we already struck a deal with the EU.
A quick call from the EU/ Taoiseach to the Irish gentleman in the Whitehouse should give Truss a little wake up call in that regard.
We know why Frost walked and it certainly has nothing to do with the "direction" Boris is taking.😁
I saw the EU ambassador to the UK's reply to that on TV, Binners. A very jolly, lucid and positive man with all the answers making it perfectly clear that there's no reason to trigger article 16, but yeah, whatever.
BenjiM
Hmm, don’t you mean “paid for by British taxpayers”, AKA you & me.
So would the exports be still viable if the business paid all the costs, rather than been subsidised?
Thoughts on my earlier post?
The EU passed the "don't give a ****" stage some time ago, it has resigned itself to the economic fall out and decided to get on with its day job. Macron is being difficult but he has an election coming.
The EU will prop Ireland as and when required, the EU understands the trade model between Ireland and Northern Ireland and where the dependencies/benefits sit. Biden will not help the UK with trade etc until he is assured the Good Friday Agreement is respected.
Truss can't win as Frost couldn't win, the best she can hope for is a few scraps from the EU in return for probably ECJ rights/access. Her problem is she is negotiating with someone who doesn't need to negotiate.
The EU remaiining at the negotiating table is for their benefit to the wider world i.e. look how reasonable we are... still talking to this bunch of ****s
Here's a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
Legally the referendum itself meant absolutely nothing. It just advised the government. No interference or finding of wrong doings makes any difference at all. It was only advisory.
Here’s a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
Love it did but I doubt it. The poor economic performance and spiralling costs might make the vast army of Brexiteers think again.
if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote
wishful thinking. certainly putin et. al. are rubbing their hands with glee about the separation from the EU but their actual involvement was likely peripheral at most. we'd love to think there was some outside reason or influence responsible for all this because surely we didn't just do this to ourselves?
There was russian interference and others doing dirty deeds. No doubt at all and no doubt it made a differnce IMO
Sorry I hadn't been back to this thread in a while.
BenjiM
Hmm, don’t you mean “paid for by British taxpayers”, AKA you & me.
So would the exports be still viable if the business paid all the costs, rather than been subsidised?
Thoughts on my earlier post?
Yeah, paid for by the tax payer. At the time we didn't know that we weren't being charged by the vet because the visit costs were covered, until at least 30 days after the first visit and export as we didn't receive an invoice and they told us that the costs were being covered. Orders were still coming in, even though customers new about the additional costs. At the time this wasn't particularly well known. as to whether my former employer returned those additional costs to the customer, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they won't have been returned as they'd already been agreed and filed under "admin charges".
+1 BenjiM
And "Arron Banks may have been used and exploited by Russia" - I think the word they're looking for is "financed"...
And “Arron Banks may have been used and exploited by Russia” – I think the word they’re looking for is “financed”…
On behalf of the owners of this forum, I think the word you are looking for is "allegedly" 😎
Here’s a question: if it comes to light that Russia played a substantial part in influencing the pro brexit vote, would that be sufficient reason to rerun the referendum?
No point, the UK is out of the EU, and that is a position that is for the short to medium term fixed. You would need the EU to agree and with the current incarnation of the UK, forget it. If you want to save the UK then alignment is the way forward.
I'd be amazaballs that Russia didn't play a big part in financing it as it would have been dirt cheap, like buying a raffle ticket and winning big time.
12 days to go until the 2 year mark.
Can anyone think of any single way in which life in the UK is now provably better - factually - in any way, any way at all?
I'm all ears.
I’m all ears.
Some EU regulations which I'm either making up or misinterpreting would have outlawed a person made entirely of ears, so that's another great British tradition we've protected.
Likewise, we can still use related measures such as 'costing an arm and a leg', and UK businesses will still be able to 'pick someone's brain', despite the ECJ ruling.
TBF i've learned to relax and embrace brexit mainly by looking at prices on well used UK based bike websites where they appear to be ripping the tits out of their captive audience and comparing to other websites on the continent where they are not charging the VAT. so long as i put a decent order together and stay under the 135 quid i'm all good with 20% off and a more competitive price to start with. 😀
TBF i’ve learned to relax and embrace brexit mainly by looking at prices on well used UK based bike websites where they appear to be ripping the tits out of their captive audience and comparing to other websites on the continent where they are not charging the VAT. so long as i put a decent order together and stay under the 135 quid i’m all good with 20% off and a more competitive price to start with.
I've started doing this with car parts and have been ordering from Autodoc (Germany) just have to stay below the magic £135 and not be in a hurry for stuff.
I’ve started doing this with car parts and have been ordering from Autodoc (Germany) just have to stay below the magic £135 and not be in a hurry for stuff.
I've been looking to place an order at R2-bike, they automatically ad the UK VAT which is disappointing, so doesn't work for everything.
We now have Truss saying she "aims" to renegotiate the NI protocol by the end of Feb. without any change in stance from frost of course which means that this will go absolutely nowhere. she might get throw a few bones but not a chance on the so called red lines like ECJ as the arbiter
They still just don't get it, do they?
You negotiated a terrible deal, all signed it while selling it as the best thing ever. Thats it. The end. The whole matter is closed as far as the EU is concerned, even if they do occasionally humour dimwits like Liz by claiming they're open to ideas and suggestions
Its going to be hilarious watching her try and spin getting absolutely nowhere, having come out with this cloud cuckooland nonsense about a renegotiation, which just isn't going to happen
I’ve been looking to place an order at R2-bike
Are you sure, they have never charged me VAT? Does mean some REALLY cheap tyres.
Ahh VAT, oddly why I think the UK public will never get any Brexit benefit is that BJ actually touted dropping VAT on Energy prices when he was campaigning for Brexit.
So any easy win that he could deliver as per promised and people are desperate for and have you heard it being dropped?
Course its more lies/mistruths, Spain's dropped the vat by 10% due to the higher cost here and unless I missed SPrexit we still seem to be in the EU (and there's oddly Strawberries in the fridge.)
I think in theory R2 should have applied/paid to join to the UK (arrogant)vat paying scheme thing and collected the VAT on stuff under the 135, course if they can't be arsed and just take your money sans tax whats the UK gonna do as a third country 🙂
The queues at dover are piling up
media studiously ignoring it
Will be interesting to see what happens when holidaymakers start seeing it
Bankski displaying Raab-like levels of geographical & logistical knowledge here
https://twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1484454081112510470
Mr Banks there studiously ignoring that there was already a “solution” in place to facilitate easier trade with all the countries close enough to use lorries for deliveries.
Yeah we could send our ships to further away countries like Spain, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, or Sweden. What are the chances they'd all have the same rules as France?
Yeah we could send our ships to further away countries like Spain, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, or Sweden. What are the chances they’d all have the same rules as France?
NoNoNo.
Banks is thinking of Arkhangelsk. For some reason.
For some reason.
😂
Made me laugh, anyway. Follow the money.
Are there any issues with queues at Dover for car ferries? As I'm on the 6am one tomorrow!
Are there any issues with queues at Dover for car ferries? As I’m on the 6am one tomorrow!
Don't take this as gospel, you should be ok, ish. The issue is customs paperwork and the time it takes to process. The issue for passenger cars begins later when you need to give fingerprints before entering the Schegen area.
The queues at dover are piling up
media studiously ignoring it
HMRC internal comms saying how well it's all going.....
Needs to be on a poster - 'Brexit Isn't Working', maybe?
This really is below the radar, I live in Kent and didn't know these issues were continuing till I saw it mentioned on here.
My ex colleagues (who voted for this shambles and called me a loser when the result was apparent), are now tearing their hair out because customers are returning all the product they've imported as it's come with short use by dates due to all the delays with paperwork. ****ing hilarious frankly, they've made their bed and they can lie in it.
Cieran the courier on twitter has been posting up his troubles with customs over the past week, 17km queues for custom checks and a 10hr+ wait to get on the ferries..........#takebackcontrol
Yeah, his first hand real-time reporting has been excellent.
Yeah but we got the crown on our pint glasses. Okay we could have had one anyway if anyone had really cared but doesnt it make you proud of our brave nation when sipping a beer and looking at that crown proudly displayed?
Well, as part of Operation Red Meat, the government spin machine looks to have remembered that Brexit is a thing… with noise about “more” and “faster” benefits and freedoms due to Brexit… whatever they might be…
https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1487918121012932611?s=21
Just been looking at tomorrow's front pages - see kelvin's post ^^^
Yet more bollocks aimed at the gullible and hard of thinking.
If folk look under those headlines they'll find that the Govt is taking MORE control by actually removing the need for 'laws' to go through Parliament..., and using more 'secondary legislation' to enact them.
Wonder what they've planned for us?
Aaron Banks has now deleted his tweet...
Well, changes to procurement and subsidies look be top of the list, to give ministers more personal discretion with less oversight… better get yourself ingratiated with someone on the inside if your want some of those lovely government contracts or support packages.
Well, changes to procurement and subsidies look be top of the list, to give ministers more personal discretion with less oversight… better get yourself ingratiated with someone on the inside if your want some of those lovely government contracts or support packages.
It looks like they're taking their corrupt covid PPE contracts as a blueprint for the rest of the economy. I bet those in the 'VIP Lane' already are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of all those taxpayer billions heading their way
better get yourself ingratiated with someone on the inside if your want some of those lovely government contracts or support packages
Sadly, some companies who lost tons of EU business are facing a choice between doing this, or packing up / downsizing. That is, employing specific individuals who come with government contracts "in the box".
Just read that on the BBC website, that's thrown a proper spanner in the works now.
Be interesting to see what the EU's response is and how Johnson reacts to it. I'm guessing at they side with Ireland so threaten to stop any movement of goods across from NI and Johnson wades in and makes it worse somehow.
TBH if the EU pulled The ‘deal’ in retaliation would we actually notice 🙂
Isn't this just a provocation to the EU to get them to impose a land border in response, thus making them the bad guys?
They won’t do that, obviously, as unlike Johnson and co they actually understand and respect the GFA.
So I suppose this means economic sanctions then?
Ah like the Harley Davidson tax,wonder what whose constituency/products they’ll nuke.
Just close Calais impose full checks on every lorry.
We still have “economic sanctions” imposed on us by the USA because of our attitude to Ireland and failure to embrace what we signed up to with the EU. It’s only matter of time before others do the same.
I can see that queue into Dover beginning at Elephant and Castle before long...
Ah but they had to stop for a sleep,had a puncture,E.U changed the rules,or that boat refit that was to blame.
Comical Ali, now that was a weird thing to behold, never knew that would become our goverment policy when I was a kid watching him.
NI isn't huge if EU impose checks then how will they stack the lorries?
I do still wonder if I’m missing the plot on exactly what they wanted to diverge from the eu to actually do, as you’d have thought we’d have seen it being done day one.
The fact that the pm effectively gets himself in a position that he has to use his other ‘deeds’ to save himself and they then have to rush out the levelling up document with massive reductions in funding as opposed to the eu schemes and pretty much the sort of things we already expect(reading and writing like).
Course add that to keep saying your low tax whilst increasing NI does make you wonder exactly what they do all day.
Perhaps I’ll be in shock and awe when I finally understand the great future Brexit will bring although it’s been done.
Honestly I wanna be a believer 🙂
So will businesses that want to demonstrate they are compliant with EU customs regulations now have to route goods to NI via ports in the Republic?
Duh, Brexit was about us being able to deliver the bestest mostest booster vaccinations. That’s how forward thinking they are, they’re just not sure what the next benefit is yet…
Good to see that those that pushed for Brexit were right about Northern Ireland… all sorted, no problem, nothing to see, move along…
Is this true? Is this the sort of thing Truss is wasting her time on, the type of thing the Cabinet Office's "Brexit opportunities unit" see as a some kind of benefit.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/champagne-pint-bottles-b2007990.html
Yep walking into the 'spoons, "Pint of Dom and a packet of cheese and onion crisps please" 🙂
*anecdotal* first sunday morning drive back along the a14 in a while where have all the lorries gone ?
Parked at Dover/Calais?
*anecdotal* first sunday morning drive back along the a14 in a while where have all the lorries gone ?
With shit geography like that, you are Dominic Raaaaaab and I claim my £5.
really ? one end of the a14 is felixstowe the largest container port in the country... and reference to where are the lorries relates to 2 years ago doing the same journey at the same time @ least once a month it was really busy with lorry traffic, it's all the more surprising as since the a14 upgrade in those last 2 years it's a much a much more free flowing route to the a1.