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Except that Britain was the leading campaigner for the abolition of the tampon tax within the EU.

While at the same time Tories voted against scrapping the tax in 2015.

Something this numpty who voted against it seems to have forgotten.
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1344961954616586240?s=19

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tampon-tax-here-are-mps-who-voted-against-amendment-scrap-it-a6711606.html


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:16 pm
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happened, yet some seem unwilling to accept it, well tough shit, it is what it is.

Indeed so - those Brexiters in Essex and Cornwall should just shut up and stop complaining.

You can either be productive and see how this situation can be turned for the better (somehow) or keep moaning and bitching like neurotic teenagers. Unless remainers toughen up we’ll have another 20 years of uninterrupted Tory governments.

There's a difference between saying "this is shit" and nevertheless doing what you can to make your situation the best you can, and pretending that it's all a happy life of sunshine and cheap tampons.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:17 pm
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You get under a classic built US beast and find a Lada engine with a bit of a scaffolding pole for a prop shaft.
Welcome to BrexitbritainCarRepairs.co

Not sure we can apply the same technique to a Nissan Micra?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:20 pm
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There’s a difference between saying “this is shit” and nevertheless doing what you can to make your situation the best you can, and pretending that it’s all a happy life of sunshine and cheap tampons.

This.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:22 pm
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Unless remainers toughen up we’ll have another 20 years of uninterrupted Tory governments.

I don't see the logic behind this assertion.

You're assuming that remainers are crying into their pillows and presumably won't be going to work or trying to solve any problems that arise. But of course we will, its our job, and its our futures at stake just as much as yours. We will work to fix things - it'll be mostly remainers picking up the pieces, because I suspect most business leaders voted remain.

Remainers are tough already, we will have to be because we have to carry on despite our cherished rights and our identities having been trashed for the sake of empty jingoistic sentiment. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with this statement. It's no better than the knee-jerk bitterness you are complaining about.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:26 pm
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And in any case, pointing out the stupidity of Brexit is working. Just check out the polls with questions like "Do you think Britain was right to vote to leave?" or "If there were another referendum today how would you vote?"


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:31 pm
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Actually, **** it. Stay salty. I’m done with this thread for a while.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Don’t worry, I will, I’m currently basking in the salty tears of brexiteers. The saltiness should stay for quite a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village

But just minutes away, beyond the famous white cliffs, the sense of fury over Brexit was palpable as local residents came to terms with a government letter they received on New Year’s Eve telling them that from summer, their rural idyll of farmland and ancient Roman ways would be transformed into a customs clearance lorry park for 1,200 trucks.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:40 pm
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So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy. Admittedly all by one deranged poster but even so it's illustrative that the others on here haven't disagreed or responded to point out how ridiculous that is. Is that really where the remain argument is heading? It's embarrassing.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:43 pm
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They are filling the thread with jokey comparisons, while we wait for you to tell us what exactly Labour should be cheerleading, and why they shouldn’t seek to improve on our new arrangements with the other countries of Europe.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:48 pm
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So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy.

To think out a problem is not unlike drawing a caricature. You have to exaggerate the salient point and leave out that which is not typical. "To illustrate a principle," says Bagehot, "you must exaggerate much and you must omit much." As to the quantity of absolute truth in a thought: it seems to me the more comprehensive and unobjectionable a thought becomes, the more clumsy and unexciting it gets. I like half-truths of a certain kind — they are interesting and they stimulate” - Eric Hoffer


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:50 pm
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So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy. Admittedly all by one deranged poster but even so it’s illustrative that the others on here haven’t disagreed or responded to point out how ridiculous that is. Is that really where the remain argument is heading? It’s embarrassing.

Didn't you flounce just a page ago?

Anyway, if I were you I'd be embarrassed at not being able to recognise a reductio ad absurdum argument.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 12:52 pm
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Daz, we're just filling the time whilst you list the policies we can set and how they outweigh all the negatives. Given how long you've had I'm getting quite excited at the obviously huge list of positives you'll have for us to get behind and cheerlead.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:01 pm
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I agree Brexit happened. It’s over. It was bloody stupid and will hurt those least well off. I’ll be fine. But I am still angry.

However time to move on.

#Rejoin


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:02 pm
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Reductio ad absurdum can be a valid technique.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:02 pm
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Not sure we can apply the same technique to a Nissan Micra?

Use Bigger Hammer

Works with the magic three words. Sorted.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:09 pm
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<p lang="en" dir="ltr">He made a promotional video for UKIP. Wonder how many people he told "You lost get over it" before his orders started to dry up bc of the Brexit catastrophe he voted for. pic.twitter.com/O00325KQLk</p>— Britgirl Explains Brexit #FBPE (@MarieAnnUK) December 30, 2020

https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

Hahahahahahahaha.

Arrrrrhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahjajajajjajajajajajajajajajaaaa.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:15 pm
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More great news:

https://www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping

Brexit

Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error.

Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:15 pm
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1344205224144211969

Aaaand...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Pieyedder/status/1343994866469134344

Since he will no longer be allowed to export fresh sausages to the EU, he has decided to send them frozen instead.
"There's a really big opportunity to do premium frozen sausages for the continent," he explained. "One problem we have with sausages is that in this country at least, anything frozen is seen as down-market, not a premium product."

I suppose the EU was previously stopping him from selling frozen sausages?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:18 pm
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So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy.

I'll chuck communist East Germany in there too. This is the reason there will never be a moment of national 'realisation' then 'rebirth' as a renewable-fuelled socialist utopia. Namely that the type of person who believes in a thing like Brexit is exactly the same kind of person who was getting twitchy when the Stasi archives were thrown open and not all the records had been destroyed. Curtain-twitching, petty-minded, little people who'd smile to your face while indulging their petty grievances and prejudices by informing on you to the Po-Po.

I'm sure I can get apartheid South Africa in as well if you like, lots of comparisons to made there too - supposedly pious and upstanding individuals preaching the message in (Dutch Reformed) church. Peace and goodwill to all men. So long as they look the same as you.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:19 pm
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Didn’t you flounce just a page ago?

No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting. The posts since then pretty much prove my point. If anyones got anything new to say beyond the usual hyperbolic nonsense then go for it.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:20 pm
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Oakleymuppet has to be a raybanwomble👊 is that you Tom? Do I win a prize?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:22 pm
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z-rs_hlBlcM


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:28 pm
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Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world… except the UK.

There's a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said "we will not sell to UK until we work out how to."


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:32 pm
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Oakleymuppet has to be a raybanwomble👊 is that you Tom? Do I win a prize?

Have you only just realised? Figures.

No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting.

Ah the classic "asking me for evidence is abuse" subject change, I was waiting for that one.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:33 pm
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@exsee if you’ve only just realised that then yes you win a prize, the wooden spoon 🤣


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:33 pm
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No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting.

So. Labour. You say they should now be cheerleaders for the benefits of Brexit. You say they should not propose to seek to improve on the arrangements signed off on last year (despite those arrangements having a process where they are to be reviewed and revised soon after the next general election).

1) While “cheerleading”, which are the benefits that will be pointed to, who will get those benefits, and how?

2) If only one party at the election has zero proposals to improve on our relationship with the rest of Europe, what will the media and voters make of that?

No abuse. No ranting. Seeking more information as regards you assertions.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:39 pm
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Ah the classic “asking me for evidence is abuse” subject change, I was waiting for that one.

It's been a trick of the Brexies since 24th June 2016. The really sad thing is most of them still think it is clever.

🤦‍♂️


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:45 pm
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Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 1:46 pm
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More great news:

https://www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping
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That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:01 pm
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Ha ha ha ha hahaha!

More to pop in the folder marked "You couldn't make this shit up".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/02/authorities-investigate-possible-sinkhole-in-kent-lorry-park

Absolutely ****ing marvellous. Brexit really is the multi-layered fail of all fails.

Just put yourself in the position of the average man on L'Omnibus De Paris or Das Omnibus aus Munchen. If you aren't pointing, laughing and shaking your head you ain't doing it right.

Fiasco.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:05 pm
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That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.

How much does that add to the price, though?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:06 pm
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Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?

If we are, then isn't that a positive for uk based bike shops? Customers previously buying from the EU will have limited options to do so. So logically, customers will be paying more but will be supporting a uk business?


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:06 pm
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Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?

They’re not in the U.K. market thou, just a shop that would send you stuff as their was no difference in sending it to the village next door or the U.K. or frictionless trade if you want a proper term.

They now have to figure out if your business is worth the hassle.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:08 pm
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How much does that add to the price, though?

Just think of it as sovereignty tax 🙂


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:10 pm
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Yes, UK distributors will be a growth area. A bit limited on scale/ambition for the distributors based here, and will effect availability, supply, choice and cost to UK consumers, but there are opportunities for some businesses, for sure. Carving up markets into smaller ones, with new barriers between them, will be an opportunity for some (but negative for most). This why the “who and how” bit is important, when looking at the new opportunities ahead.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:11 pm
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So logically, customers will be paying more but will be supporting a uk business?

Or it just prices more people out of the sport....

Or people bend broken stuff back into a partially working state more. Which isn't a bad thing per se, but doesn't benefit the economy.

Or groups of riding chums send a mate on a 'components-cruise' every six months to a conveniently sited bike parts warehouse just outside Calais.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:14 pm
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Aussiebum , Australian pant company were collecting the U.K. tax which stopped you getting hammered with U.K. handling charges way before Brexit so it is possible for companies to do it if they see a value.

It’s nothing new.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:15 pm
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Or groups of riding chums send a mate on a ‘components-cruise’ every six months to a conveniently sited bike parts warehouse just outside Calais.

Nope as you’ll be subject to allowances and customs checks or your smuggling.

Booze cruises are dead in the water.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:18 pm
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Shimano di batteries would be easy to smuggle though, I wouldn’t want to try a rear mech though.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:19 pm
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It’s nothing new.

It’s mandatory not optional now (below a certain threshold). That very much is new, and applies to all companies in all countries.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:20 pm
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It’s mandatory not optional now (below a certain threshold). That very much is new, and applies to all countries.

Agree, I think they took the opportunity to tighten it up on the loopholes.
No more cheap cassettes from Taiwan 🙂


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:25 pm
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Shimano di batteries would be easy to smuggle though, I wouldn’t want to try a rear mech though.

You just need to believe, man.

Now lube up and hum Land of Hope and Glory whilst you try to force a rear mech and cassette into your rectum!

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😳🥴


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:27 pm
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No more cheap cassettes from Taiwan

For me it’s more about buying things that aren’t held in stock in the UK that’ll be the issue, not just saving money… but now you mention it… prepare for years of complaints about “Rip Off Britain” in years to come.


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:29 pm
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I'm thinking there could well be possibilities here in Spain for me to set up a go-between business between the EU and the UK - as mentioned above though, how do you earn a living from it without making the final price prohibitive?

I've already been asked once or twice to act as a "home away from home" for friends coming here from South Africa who want to have stuff delivered from Germany and Ireland for them to pick up when they visit.....

Maybe I should just breed Glass-Eels now that the Brexiter mentioned above can't export to the EU 🙂


 
Posted : 02/01/2021 2:32 pm
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prepare for years of complaints about “Rip Off Britain” in years to come.

Repackaged as “opportunities for British retailers” apparently. Yeah - opportunities to rip us off.


 
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