None of those options seem particularly realistic to me dannyh. In the world of "buy it now", people will just drop bikediscount from their favourites and source from the uk instead. You will note that i agree this single, hypothetical change will still be a negative overall, as prices rise.
friends coming here from South Africa who want to have stuff delivered from Germany and Ireland
The South Africa example is a special case… it is VERY expensive to deliver to there right now.
I’m thinking there could well be possibilities here in Spain for me to set up a go-between business between the EU and the UK – as mentioned above though, how do you earn a living from it without making the final price prohibitive?
Fast boat under cover of darkness playing in the air tonight 🙂
Or a wheel barrow smuggler.
Anyway they’re supposed to be getting the Brexit benefits not us 🙂
(Bit of disclosure, I may have parachuted out)
Not just expensive, thanks to the crime-in-transit it's pretty much just not an option.
Wheelbarrows of dirt . . . . one a day!
That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.
How much does that add to the price, though?
A lot. If large companies that have huge economies of scale are having to ramp up prices 10-20% doing it in-house imagine how much extra cost would be added by a separate company having to do it and make their profit. Think of Direct Sales on bikes vs your LBS, that kind of price difference is the reailty.
Maybe I should just breed Glass-Eels now that the Brexiter mentioned above can’t export to the EU 🙂
Glass eels are destined for the Asian market surely?
I thought he said he was exporting to all over the EU?
He did. He was.
There’s a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said “we will not sell to UK until we work out how to.”
It's easy enough for them to remove the words off their webpage, but maybe they just wanted to show the UK the 'finger'?
RichPenny
Full MemberNone of those options seem particularly realistic to me dannyh. In the world of “buy it now”, people will just drop bikediscount from their favourites and source from the uk instead.
Which isn't always possible- a bunch of the stuff I've bought from bikediscount etc wasn't available in the UK (whether not brought in at all by the importers, or just not in stock- looking at you here Maxxis)
I think we might be surprised by how often "not so easy to buy stuff from europe" could turn into "just can't really get the thing I want".
I bought a bike from Germany just before Christmas. Couldn't find stock of what I wanted in the UK. It's almost as if being able to serve a larger market and source from more companies without barriers might help shops have better stock availability.
Also bought a PS4 joystick from Czech a few months ago. No UK stock anywhere. And just before New Year bought some Schwalbe Pro One from the Netherlands - my last duty free EU purchase. Again, no UK stock. I fancied a new winter jersey too but no stock in the UK of what I want. Maybe I'll check the Euro stores just to see.
I'm going to jump in as an uneducated (GCSEs only) lifelong retail/low wage worker and wait to be corrected on what I'm about to say....
In the EU the UK made over 99% of it's laws. The other less than 1% we had a hand in designing and implementing. So "sovrinty" was a load of bull
In the EU we had the option to control immigration and only make benefits/social housing available to migrants after a qualifying period. It's no fault of the EU that we didn't do this.
Out of the EU the UK service industry can trade in the EU, but must abide by the individual country's regulations rather than being automatically granted access, thus proving that the UK had "sovrinty" over that 80% of GDP.
Out of the EU the current government has the option to remove the working time directive, meaning it is possible for employers to force low paid workers to work more than the currently regulated 48 hours, along with offering less paid holiday or even removing paid holiday completely over time.
Within the EU my daughter would have grown up being able to study, work and live in 27 other countries with no barriers. Outside it she will be able to study in the US, but only if she can afford it. Other countries MAY be available to her but funding will again be very limited.
Outside the EU we have "free trade" on goods, but now there are import duties on some and more paperwork, thus increasing the manpower involved and the cost price meaning end user prices going up.
So.... as I have done since I voted remain, I'll ask "what are the benefits of Brexit?"
What a surprise. Corporations in valuing larger markets shocker.
But I thought Britain was amazin and we had everything that wot better than everwun else.
So…. as I have done since I voted remain, I’ll ask “what are the benefits of Brexit?”
If you stop whining and decide to make a go of it then you could pull your socks up, start (say) an online business (drop ship patriotic stuff that was actually made in Chinuh) ie selling mugs, teeshirts, etc.
I’d suggest that either St George’s flags or ‘Remainer’s Tears’* would look perfect on a mug at this time in history. Follow the demand.
Make Brexiters happy instead of making yourselves miserable? Maybe it will catch on and you’ll soon be happier once you see the cash rolling in from the mugs.
Be sure to print ‘designed in England’ on their back-sides. Which is actually tru because you typed it out all by yourself (and chose from a few fonts) when you were ordering.
Bingo. Cash in. Lovely money and no need to pay foreign workers to do a job that you can do by yourself. There’s a benefit right there.
You’ll need a business name/brand.
‘Proper Mugs’
(My commission is negotiable, please PM)
Corporations in valuing larger markets shocker.
Corporations can work within multiple segmented markets far easier than SMEs.
Consumers are the ones most hit by making buying direct from abroad harder.
There’s a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said “we will not sell to UK until we work out how to.”
They have worked out how to. They have decided that it isn't worth their bother. They are further pointing out what a ****ing stupid idea it is, unless the UK government is deliberately trying to reduce imports, particularly from small businesses without lots of back office support, as a global system that operated on this basis would be unworkable.
So no, not a failure of logic, more pointing out brexit related stupidity. Sounds like they are pro-EU though so are obviously guilty of wrongthink and can safely be ignored by all loyal brexitards.
maybe they just wanted to show the UK the ‘finger’?
Why not? I do and I have to live here.
Unfortunately 17 odd million people decided the country I liked living in wasn't insular enough.
So.... Low priced jellied eels, Trotter Independent Traders and smuggling.
WHAT A TIME TO etc, etc. something.
Quick question/s guys!
Buying something say for £50 from an EU seller, hypothetically. The seller might be an individual or a company.
Where will any extra fees be paid? I'm guessing my end upon delivery, or upon a letter from customs?
Would an individual in the EU selling a second hand bike part (say) have to fill out extra paperwork etc etc meaning they just might exclude UK buyers?
Thanks guys.
We must remember that “trade and economics” really are secondary in all this, really.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/opinion/britain-brexit-europe-germany.html
Would an individual in the EU selling a second hand bike part (say) have to fill out extra paperwork etc etc meaning they just might exclude UK buyers?
They can just bump up the postage to cover their courier completing the paperwork for them. Personally, my Ebay sales have always been EU wide, because the costs of doing so were clear. Will wait for the dust to settle, and all costs known, before doing so again. Couriers should all be clearer on the costs involved by end of Q2 this year I suspect. They are vague right now.
I've pinched this one from a few pages back but it seems a relevant joke for the here and now.
Checks how UK voted in the ref.
Hahaha, suck it up peepoles
(If it works for Sunderland/Kent etc well you know👍)
We must remember that “trade and economics” really are secondary in all this, really.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/opinion/britain-brexit-europe-germany.html/blockquote >
Lovely written piece, I have to say I hear this from many friends who have chosen to make the UK their home it must send them to despair.
As an Englishman, obviously I cannot understand how they feel even though my wife is French. But I see the despair in her daily. She came to the UK 32 years ago with the Erasmus scheme and then returned to the UK after her degree to become a teacher. These people contributed to society paid their way only not to be told that they are now second class citizens and can stay as long law remains the same. How would you feel about that? And on top of that, she has never claimed benefits, never been able vote in a general election was not given a voice in the referendum.
It is a travesty
It’s easy enough for them to remove the words off their webpage, but maybe they just wanted to show the UK the ‘finger’?
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn't even come into it.
That NYT piece makes me want to weep. Or smash something up.
Brexit is a repudiation of progress, or at least what we used to consider progress.
An utterly retrograde step. Economically, politically, behaviourally.
The rest of the world is, rightly, either laughing at us, shaking their heads, or both.
And yet Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (man of the people) will use the deserved ridicule as a way to prop up his english nationalism. Portraying the rest of the grown up world as being anti-British. And the same pillocks will lap it up.
It is disgusting.
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn’t even come into it.
Petulance came into it years ago when Easyjet stipulated the "Barclays fat cat tax" separately from airport tax on the cost of flights from Luton. It served to highlight something silly that really shouldn't have been
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn’t even come into it.
It might be a publicity thing, who knows...
But if a bunch of nobheads do something stupid and play themselves into a position to be ridiculed then those nobheads can't be surprised when they get held up to ridicule.
Brexit diminishes us as a nation. I suppose we could ask nicely, but we won't. And anyway 'our' conduct over the past 4 years has been disgraceful. Sending unsigned letters like some smartarsed little shit in year seven. Carrying on like a bunch of yobs threatening to break international law. Stuff like that has consequences.
Expecting appeasement for our national far-right experiment is a bit rich, given the history.
And on top of that, she has never claimed benefits, never been able vote in a general election was not given a voice in the referendum
Fairly sure she could claim citizenship after that amount of time being settled here - it’s 10 years for the non spousal route isn’t it?
I would also add that even before we actually pressed the far right button we also sent them arseholes like Farage to dick them around.
What entitles us to respect exactly?
https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1316887009198141441
William Shatner even weighed in on the tax changers - 1000 a year in fees to HMRC for the privilege.
How arrogant are the UKs political classes?
Oakleymuppet. At great expense with a horrid beurocratic process and give up her French citizenship
How arrogant are the UKs political classes?
Very. Because in recent times, every time they might have thought 'my God we will never get away with this one', the masses have stunned them by their stupidity. An 80 seat majority for a panto act piss artist who hid in a fridge to avoid scrutiny. Talk about living down to expectations...
I would also add that even before we actually pressed the far right button we also sent them arseholes like Farage to dick them around.
What entitles us to respect exactly?
I am wondering with being dicked about the last 4 years and now a fair bit of the deal is done they will start messing us about/taking their time with everything (I wouldn't blame them TBH)
I am wondering with being dicked about the last 4 years and now a fair bit of the deal is done they will start messing us about/taking their time with everything (I wouldn’t blame them TBH)
No need. De Pfeffel will renege on something in pretty short order. The ERG backed this shitty deal. Pound to a penny - this will mean De Pfeffel has tipped them the nod that he is going to be a **** about it.
Oakleymuppet. At great expense with a horrid beurocratic process and give up her French citizenship
Dual nationality not allowed in France?
It’s about 1800 quid to do it, my wife did it but her country allows dual nationality.
Edit: France has allowed dual nationality for several decades.
I suspect the government will end up using EU citizens in the UK as bargaining pieces in the years to come. Give us what we want or we start removing their citizenship.
They won't give two figs about the UK "ex pats", in fact they will likely to be "othered" by then. Traitors, living in the EU.
Anyone think the government are above this? They definitely aren't.
I would also add that this government has displayed its arrogance by trolling their own electorate during a pandemic because they knew they'd get away with it.
World-beating track and trace? World-beating bullshit more like. But they knew they'd get away with it. They've based their entire strategy on weaponising stupidity, so why stop.
Cummings sitting in the 'rose garden' looking straight into the camera and telling a pack of lies? No problem, the idiots will believe us.
Wrap it up in some jingoistic bullshit and they know they'll get away with it. Their contempt for their support is brazen, but much of their support is too stupid to realise it.
If your entire 'success' is based on weaponising stupidity then there really is no reason to change tack.
Unfortunately 17 odd million people decided the country I liked living in wasn’t insular enough
I've seen many great descriptions of the Brexit debacle, but that is brilliant
Oakleymuppet. At great expense with a horrid beurocratic process and give up her French citizenship
She doesn't need to give it up. She can go dual.
Like wot my burd did.
i am considering a crowd funding campaign to fund a UK citizenship for myself, so i at least can vote against the Tories at next election.
Luckily Denmark changed the law some years back so allow dual citizenship.
You say they should not propose to seek to improve on the arrangements signed off on last year
You’ve imagined this as I said nothing of the sort. I said need labour need to set out how they will make a success of being outside of the EU whilst protecting themselves from voters thinking they’re trying to go back in via the back door. Improvements to the existing deal may involve more or less alignment, possibly more in some areas and less in others. But more alignment involves significant political risk which they should avoid. If they become the rejoin party they won’t win another election.
^^oh thank you Brexit 😁
Loling my cock off at Brookes