I am English, but please do not put it like that. Please don’t lump me on with Johnson and his rabble.
They do not represent me, never have never will and they make me thoroughly ashamed to be English.
Abso-bloody-lutely. The whole fish thing is (excuse me) a massive red herring for anyone that cares to spend five minutes looking onto it.
How many years before we’re back in the SM? 3,5 or 10?
13-14. Its going to need this parliment to run its course, then get a different (Presumably Labour) one for a term, then campaign on it in the next gen. election then best part of a term to sort out.
A Parcel of Rogues 2020, after Robert Burns
Fareweel to a' our British fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory;
Fareweel ev'n to the British name,
Sae fam'd in global story.
Now Frome rins over Solent sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where Brexit's province stands-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by Johnson’s few,
For offshore traitor's wages.
Europe’s hand we did disdain,
In “Sovereignty’s” fixation;
For Tory lies have been our bane -
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!Auld Scotland tak’s a hindward glance
And kens what is afore us
Oor “precious Union” has nae chance
We’ve had enough of Boris
But pith and power, till my last hour,
I'll mak this declaration;
Doomed to fail this Brexit tale-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
Maybe need to add a verse about fish
The gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban
we need to keep our gammon at home, lest it infects the EU.
What happens to fishing if Scotland leaves the UK?
In fact, isn't fishing devolved already?
The gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban
To be fair though thats the way it is for everywhere else in the world. Those kind of things should be expected even with a trade deal.
we need to keep our gammon at home, lest it infects the EU.
👏👏👍👍
What happens to fishing if Scotland leaves the UK?
I'll just leave this here.
Scotroutes - I was looking for that map and couldn’t find it. Thank you.
There’s a statistic that goes with it. Of the total land and sea area of the UK 55% is Scotland. E,W & NI are together the other 45%.
I guarantee you though that at least 95% of brexiteers who are insistent that we have control of our waters, also think that Scotland post-independence shouldn't have control of our waters. We saw all sorts of random horseshit in the indyref just trying to rewrite all the laws of the sea and I've seen some of the same people in the press now just cheerfully saying the opposite...
Absolutely.
A neck an axe couldn't mark.
I'll just leave this here
Yeah but look at all that empty space just south of Northern Ireland, we can take that right?
^ that map has made me realise how much sea the Dane's own. Faroe is a place of much value...
Aye, but the riding's shit and you wouldn't want your second home there.
There’ll be an easy jet flight.
They’ll land at Faroes Lerwick or something. 😉
I haven't looked at this thread for a few days, and it's funny how now more and more of you are starting to realise a No Deal is not only inevitable, but always the plan from the start.
I would also echo what a few are saying about the perpetrators being held accountable for their actions, there has to be someway of doing this. The current junta will obviously not allow anything, so it will be down to media pressure or more likely social media pressure. Unfortunately neither are worth their salt, so where do we go?
I'm nailing my colours to the mast. It is No Deal crash out.
The cowardly shit Johnson has decided that his little play at being Winston Churchill hasn't worked out as he would have liked. So he's decided to cash in fully with the disaster capitalist wreckers. He needs to pay for his coterie of exes and bastard offspring so he's going to 'deliver' them their No Deal, take the cash and walk. 31st March at the latest. I doubt he'll even be living in this country by this time next year.
We're ****ed.
Sold down the river to predatory crooks by a bunch of cynical opportunists on the basis of a pack of racist/xenophobic lies sold to idiots. Well done Leavers.
**** Brexit and all who sail in her.
Unfortunately neither are worth their salt, so where do we go?
Without direct action, there doesn't seem that much really. Look at the Goodlaw project. The Gov. clearly broke their own laws with their corrupt handing out of useless PPE contracts, which cost front-line staff their lives. They are challenged in court about this and deflect, deny, abdicate. The usual stuff. Tory ministers openly lie on TV and people just shrug.
When you have this level of politician in charge, without shame, dignity or any semblence of morality beyond self-interest, the UK has basically become an elective dictatorship. The majority of the country is bascically being dragged along by a vastly stupid/selfish 35% of the electorate, the Murdoch/Barclay/Darcy press and an ruling elite whose incompetence if only matched by their sense of self-entitlement.
does anyone else get the impression that the English are using fishing as a way to sabotage a deal?
Gove is Scottish right?
I’m nailing my colours to the mast. It is No Deal crash out.
Johnson will fold
I just don't believe the government really are stupid enough to let fish sink it all
Still not sure whether no deal or shit deal - I thought Johnson would have flounced by now, but we're still talking.
As Michel Barnier explained to the EU parliament, if the UK doesn't maintain the current situation on fishing in return for continued access to the European market then the EU is in a worse position than before Brexit. A bit like offering a club member who quits the club free beer every time he visits in future.
Britain isn't trying to maintain privileges it threw away by leaving the EU it is trying to better them. The EU parliament won't vote for that and Michel Barnier has no mandate to agree to it.
Taking back control . . . . .
Negotiating/playing poker with this government must be incredibly frustrating tbh. I mean, just look at the covid responses, right now- 3 days ago restrictions over christmas would be "inhuman" and it was all systems go, today it's tier 4 and there wasn't even a tier 4 yesterday. Nobody can second guess this government, not even them.
And then there's every chance that they go to put their hand down and it's a pair of 3s, Mr Bones The Butcher, a tesco clubcard, Death, and that card you get in the pack that tells you how to play poker.
I just don’t believe the government really are stupid enough to let fish sink it all
They're not all stupid. Many of them have been bought.
danny, is that the Government or the fish?
danny, is that the Government or the fish?
The government. At this rate, though, there is a serious chance that a small shoal of mackerel and a turbot or two would do a better job than these tossers.
They've been floundering from day 1.
And now they really are skating on thin ice.
With all this duplicity and shameful behaviour behaviour by our government it might be worth pointing out that at this moment ambulances from another eu state are deploying in the UK because we can’t cope.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1219/1185490-northern-ireland-covid-19/
With all this duplicity and shameful behaviour behaviour by our government it might be worth pointing out that at this moment ambulances from another eu state are deploying in the UK because we can’t cope.
<Enters 'mind' of typical Daily Mail reader>
Typical devious EU ambulances meddling in our affairs, trying to score points. We don't need them.
<Exits mind of typical Daily Mail reader - relieved at not having to pretend to have shit for brains>
If pressed, I reckon you'd get Rees Mogg to actually say something like this. He didn't like the UNICEF 'meddling' either.
**** Brexit and all who sail in her.
Also - I'm sticking to my prediction. Johnson is going full No Deal for maximum payout from the disruptors. He's decided that his pathetic little Churchillian fantasy hasn't worked out like he wanted, so he's selling the entire country down the river and resigning by end of March 21.
Hoorah - Mark Francois is back from his super secret manoeuvres to defend a proper Brexit...
his super secret manoeuvres
Have I missed a 'not guilty' verdict somewhere in the news?
55!
That wee cherub must have had a hard paper round .
Hurrah - we're saved.
I wonder where he's been?
Have I missed a ‘not guilty’ verdict somewhere in the news?
If you mean that rape allegation, charges were dropped but the complainant has supposedly asked for review.
But Marc Francois was never put in the frame for that and his disappearance for the same period has nothing to do with it, that must be clear.
Jumped up little twerp.
Oh, and talking of jumped up little twerps, Little Matty Handjob has been sticking his unwelcome and suspiciously junior-sized oar in again on Brexit.
The UK health secretary, Matt Hancock, said the talks had been derailed in recent days after the EU “put in some unreasonable demands” on fisheries, but that he was still hopeful of an agreement before Christmas. “I’m sure that a deal can be done, but obviously it needs movement on the EU side,” he said.
Arrogant, incompetent, conceited little shit.
If you mean that rape allegation, charges were dropped but the complainant has supposedly asked for review.
No, no theotherjonv ,I had heard that he had accused an old General of slapping him around a bit ,while shouting" Where's Cummings now then you mouthy little twerp?" 😉
Anyway, I think we should play the joker/get out of jail Covid card,postpone Brexit for another year.
So now EP time has run out. France has shut the borders and Boris is chairing a meeting..
...
Everything is fine.....
And apparently at least one Belgian scientist has said the new strain doesn't exist, the whole situation is because Johnson hasn't got a clue so is making it up to cover his incompetence.
I'm kind of enjoying watching people trapped between on the one hand saying that the government's handling of covid has been great and the only reason for the new lockdowns, christmas changes etc are the virus "moving the goalposts" with its unpatriotic new strain and that there's nothing they could have done to prevent that...
But that simultaneously, EU countries are being totally unreasonable introducing any new travel measures because of the new strain, and that it's all just johnny foreigner trying to punish us for being free.
People are about to get a very harsh lesson in what it really means to live on an Island
France has shut the borders and Boris is chairing a meeting..
…
Everything is fine…..
And apparently at least one Belgian scientist has said the new strain doesn’t exist, the whole situation is because Johnson hasn’t got a clue so is making it up to cover his incompetence.
I think we need to avoid mixing up borders closing due to the virus change and Brexit. Though it may have just brought the chaos forward by 10 days.
People are about to get a very harsh lesson in what it really means to live on an Island
Living on an island is fine as is living on a continent. They both have pros and cons. Acting like pumped up little ****s is the issue.
I’m kind of enjoying watching people trapped between on the one hand saying that the government’s handling of covid has been great and the only reason for the new lockdowns, christmas changes etc are the virus “moving the goalposts” with its unpatriotic new strain and that there’s nothing they could have done to prevent that…
But that simultaneously, EU countries are being totally unreasonable introducing any new travel measures because of the new strain, and that it’s all just johnny foreigner trying to punish us for being free.
The self delusion of the 'mark' after a scam has been pulled on them. They can't admit they are wrong. Idiots.
