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It must really hurt the leave voters to know that their vote was the biggest gift Putin could’ve asked for
The only way they would care was if he tried to come over here. As long as he stays in his own country they are happy.
Brexit was voted for by the Left and the Right.
Technically true. But not in equal ratios.
I can’t take all the credit!
Oh, no, please, take all the credit with our blessings. We don't want it.
At some point, will people come to realise that the “elite” are exempt from the restrictions we’ve put on ourselves, and our children? Will that penny ever drop? Not sure it will.
This is what you lefties will never get. It’s a tradeoff. We were already restricted from Our Own blue passport, Our Own Sovereigns, Our Own Jobs and Our Own British Regulation Banana Toaster Vacuums. So we traded our EU passports for reaffirmation of England’s marital vows to the nationalist right and ruling/global oligarch class. Take that, lefties. Cry me a river The English Channel or quit snivelling and use one of those dinghies that you woke libtards love so much. Oh, I forgot, you only believe that they should go in one direction. Seems like you missed the boat. So either keep crying or grow a backbone, gulp big mugs of Dunkirk Spirit while helping us rebuild Our Country. Remember? The one that you and your beloved immigrants nearly destroyed? Your choice. And, thanks to Brexit, you do at least have that choice.
#satireisdead
Someone made a point about the Tories and their current 'success' with the vaccine. Well, they haven't ****ed it up like I'd expected them to.
But, and it is a big 'but', there is also an extra fire running alongside the race to get enough people vaccinated. Namely that in every person carrying covid there are untold millions of opportunities for a mutation to appear that renders the current vaccines useless. Johnson, with his piss weak measures, hopeless lack of enforcement/understanding and the undermining of the effort by Dominic Cummings, has left a far larger than necessary reservoir of virus in the population as a whole. I dearly hope that these vaccines are effective long enough to take covid below the critical mass, but this government's mishandling of the pandemic could still easily melt their silver bullets in front of their eyes. There is still a long way to go.
@dannyh That first sentence needs a 'yet' between up and like. Bear in mind that our ministers decided to extend the delay between doses to 12 weeks on sparse and no doubt poor science. So far it has bitten them/us but the potential is still there.
Tbh if you fk it up so often your bound to get a lucky break.
A handy CNN summary of where we are so far, for those who have had the luxury of not following the trade issues too closely…
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/20/europe/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-aftermath-gbr-intl/index.html
A copy of the presentation, first published by the Russian website Tsur, is understood to have been circulated to a number of people, including Banks. He ultimately did not invest.
Yep I think that paper trail would have been far to easy to follow.
The truth will out itself one day and we can have a laugh, in the old days you used to have an army to cause mayhem all you need now is the internet and a few quid which would be a pittance compared to how much was spent in arms races.
Whilst Banks is undoubtedly a shady character the seeds of Brexit were sown long before he got involved. Tony Blair’s open door immigration policy was the catalyst.
More like Tony Blair having his hand forced on a Lisbon treaty referendum which showed the press they could force politicians' hands and get a referendum on not just a treaty but membership.
Remember those people I mentioned who voted for Brexit because of the amount of traffic on the roads which was due to immigration rather than the new retail park? Well they also thought voting for Brexit would cut the numbers of *insert racist words here* entering the UK and didn't seem to understand that Brexit wouldn't have any impact on that sort of immigration whatsoever because next to no *insert racist words here* came from Poland or anywhere else in the EU.
Tony Blair’s open door immigration policy was the catalyst.
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Karen on Facebook doesn't think so. I think we're beginning to see a case study in how Brexit happened, right here.....
Bear in mind that our ministers decided to extend the delay between doses to 12 weeks on sparse and no doubt poor science.
Yes, because it plays better politically to vaccinate more people partly than fewer people fully. Half the useless ****s in this country probably won't turn up for the second jab anyway.
Someone made a point about the Tories and their current ‘success’ with the vaccine. Well, they haven’t ****ed it up like I’d expected them to.
Even this is being misreported. We're lording it up as a UK success over the EU27, but it's only half the story. The EU has engineered it so that people can get their booster jabs in a timely manner, over in the UK we've gone "three weeks no six weeks well 12 weeks will probably be fine". Despite what the tabloids, leavers and leaver apologists would have you believe it's just another thing that we have, in fact, ****ed up.
Utter nonsense. Blair did not have an open door immigration policy. We had very tough and racist immigration policies under blair
Between 1997 and 2010, net annual immigration quadrupled, and the UK population was boosted by more than 2.2 million
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
thatscold - any thoughts about the plight of these guys?
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-fishermen-fear-losing-their-homes-as-export-ban-bites-12223329
Price worth paying no doubt.
Immigration from the ascension countries was probably the biggest driver for Brexit. At the time (iirc) every other EU country limited access to 10k or so for the first two-years, we had an open door changing the landscape in communities and trades/industries overnight
No idea why tjagain thinks Blair had a racist immigration policy
I feel sorry for these people and anyone in hardship as a result of COVID or Brexit.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU. I think the government should support this industry until they sort out the problem.
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
Does it matter? People voted for Brexit partly to “keep ‘em out”… the truth about how our governments chose to implement our UK immigration policy was lost on them. And still is. Many honestly believed our borders were open to anyone, and that this could only be changed out of the EU… all nonsense of course. But this does inform current UK gov policy (for the worse)… especially as regards education and the arts.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
No, it is because people (including some that are now government ministers) never understood that FTAs do not offer what the Single Market and Customs Union does. We could (but won’t) sign new FTAs with every country in the World, and it would still not make up for the fact that we have shrunk our home market to a fraction of what it was.
vindictive behaviour of the EU
The hits just keep on coming.
Hook, line and sinker.
I'm beginning to see how Brexit happened.
FFS.
The immigration policies may have been racist but they were hardly tough?
Errrmmm - you really have no idea do you. Immigration from outside the EU has been hugely expensive and very difficult for decades.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
No - its because the government did not want to sign up to the legally required protocols to allow that trade.
the EU have not been vindictive in any way. they have been patient and far more flexible than I expected them to be
I think the government should support this industry until they sort out the problem.
There is no "sort out the problem" its structural. The only way to sort it is to rejoin the CU and SM
Errrmmm – you really have no idea do you. Immigration from outside the EU has been hugely expensive and very difficult for decades.
If you wanted to emigrate elsewhere in the world you would find the same.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal
It really is not.
It is because the Tories boxed themselves in with their 'red lines'. The 'red lines' they felt they had to impose to appease knuckle-dragging halfwits who are obsessed with 'immigration' - which is, in itself, a stalking horse for racism.
We could have had any number of softer and less damaging Brexits (none of which would be as good as just remaining), but the knuckle-draggers wouldn't want that.
This is why the Tories really don't exist any more. They are not 'conservative' in any meaningful sense. They are an English Nationalist Party now and anyone who cared tell it straight (that Brexit is a monumental **** up) was drummed out. All you have left are political opportunists (Gove, Johnson), outright crooks (Jenrick) and idiots (Truss, Williamson, Duncan-Smith). Those groupings are not mutually exclusive, by the way.
The reason Brexit is a shitshow is that it really is a monumentally stupid act of national self-harm that is going to deliver precisely none of the things that Leavers voted for. Because it was based on a pack of lies and pushed by wealthy people who want to deregulate our economy and exploit the rest of the population. That these people chose to do this by appealing to an undercurrent of petty hatreds and hang-ups just reflects very badly on the people they were targeting.
Still, awesome job, folks. No really, awesome job...
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The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the E
Hmm yep the nasty EU afters our precious.
Nasty eu wouldn’t let us have our caksies to eatsies, bad EU.
Oh, and of course the last minute, shitty Brexit 'deal' was only a last minute, shitty 'deal' because 'we' pissed and buggered about because 'the EU will cave in at the last minute, they always do' and 'they need us more than they are letting on'.
Turns out, of course, that was another pack of lies - made up to keep the numpties happy.
I'm not sure how many more times people can take Johnson's bullshit at face value, but it seems his contempt for his 'support' is a winning strategy...
Nasty eu wouldn’t let us have our caksies to eatsies, bad EU.
Actually, that's more the level that is needed. That might get through.
"Vindictive" EU, not:
thatscold
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal, and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
I can sort of empathise with some of your previous posts, sort of. However, wow... You are living in a different reality to me on this one.
The deal is poor through deliberate Government design. The EU have been incredibly patient and told us before we left we could not have our cake and eat it. Countless times in fact.
That's not being vindictive, that's just being truthful.
Being serious for a second now. Do you genuinely not yet realise you have been 'had' over Brexit? Honestly?
How many more times can you convince yourself that Brexit could be good if 'x' or 'y' hadn't happened or we could find some way to benefit from SM/CU whilst stopping free movement?
The fact is, you were sold a pup. Lied to. Cheated.
The EU is not the party who turned around to us, kicked us in the balls, then asked to have all the bits they liked and none of the bits they didn't. We had a veto. We were 'allowed' to retain Sterling. We sent them shitheads like Farage for years, to mess them about. Then we kicked them in the balls, slagged off the organisation, then arrogantly asked for all the 'pros' and none of the 'cons'. If the boot had been on the other foot you really would have had something to be angry about.
Seriously - which of the two 'sides' of Brexit do you think has acted with dignity? Acted with honesty? The EU have been consistent from day one.
Or do you know, really, that you have been had? And you just come on here looking to pick a fight to make yourself feel better? Seriously?
The realisation will come. It would be best to face up to it sooner rather than later. You should then get angry and direct that anger where it should go. At the con artists who led you up the garden path.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xEPfSWk0Lsw
If you wanted to emigrate elsewhere in the world you would find the same.
Well, I didn’t vote to make it harder for Brits to live elsewhere if they wanted. I’ll agree though it is absolutely true that the immigration policies of many countries were more restrictive (and intentionally biased in a way that can be characterised as racist)… such as Australia… but now we have actively tried to be more like them, as a stated aim… go us!
Do you genuinely not yet realise you have been ‘had’ over Brexit? Honestly?
To turn it back around, do you genuinely not yet realise that many didn’t care about the window-dressing and lies of the Leave opportunists? They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England. Even if it was just the perception of it. So, whatever the cost for such an eventuality will be (to their way of thinking) ‘worth it’ (?)
EU immigration fell substantially after the 2016 Brexit referendum
EU immigration rose sharply in the years leading up to the EU referendum in June 2016, but has declined since 2016 – a pattern reflected in both the National Insurance Number (NINo) allocation data (Figure 8) and ONS data on long-term migration flows.
In 2019, 456,000 NINos were allocated to EU citizens, down 28% from 2015. Long-term arrivals of EU citizens planning to spend at least 12 months in the UK fell by 34% over the same period, reaching 198,000 in 2019. Because the estimated emigration of EU citizens also increased, EU net migration fell more sharply – by 77% to 50,000 in 2019
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/
To turn it back around, do you genuinely not yet realise that many didn’t care about the window-dressing and lies of the Leave opportunists? They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England. Even if it was just the perception of it. Whatever the costs for that would have been (in their eyes) worth it (?)
But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible.....
If he just came out and said he doesn't like foreigners and is willing to torpedo our own economy to satisfy this prejudice I would, in a weird sort of way, perhaps respect the honesty.
But regurgitating crap from the Mail/Express/Telegraph with apparent credulity just makes me shake my head and shrug.
Without wishing to derail this thread with Covid, Brexit looks like being a significant brake on post-Covid economic recovery due to an irreversible Brexit/Covid "exodus".
You've probably all seen this:
https://www.ft.com/content/def33cfe-45c7-4323-bd08-d4fc42051f09
A couple of lines therein present the problem. Foreigners have left The UK in droves, 1.3 million in the year up to last Summer, and they've continued to leave as the Covid lockdowns have ended their jobs. Even if EU citizens would like to return to the UK post Covid they've lost their settled status and will have to go through the whole third country process and get a visa. Given the type of jobs many occupied that's unlikely to be possible or viable even if it is.
So as the locked down sectors unlock they're going to be faced with staff shortages, that's going to put a brake on recovery. There's going to be a shortage of single, highly mobile, hard working people happy to work for a subsistance income in lousy accomodation just to live the UK experience.
Junior is in a French institution with many young people who historically would have been keen to work/study in the UK. In our most recent discussion on friends' plans none of his contemporaries have plans to either work or study in the UK. Berlin is the new London with several having plans to move there if they haven't already, Latin America also attracts, and Spain... .
It'll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.
They just wanted less ‘foreigners’ living in England.
Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?
#satireisdead
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It’ll be fascinating to compare the post Covid recoveries around Europe and in the UK.
Oh yes. Our current lead in vaccinations is a short term plus. I'm not negating the huge debt we owe to the NHS and the volunteers that made/are making this happen by the way! My God, quite the opposite. However, soon things will move on to economies around the world recovering from this storm. That's when our lead in vaccines will soon be forgotten and we will be forever playing catchup. The EU will rebuild, the UK will be watching from the sidelines.
We are the only economy dealing with Covid recovery and a national self harm psychosis at the same time. It's going to be nasty once the UK is taken off the furlough life support drip.
@p7eaven
Of course immigration fell after 2016 they didn't know if they'd be allowed to stay. I used to work for a company that had 2 production facilities on 1 site. One was mainly staffed by Poles, the other locals. Guess which had the better output and people eager to work overtime if demand was there? One of the Polish guys nail gunned his hand to a timber beam. Got a mate to take the nail out, taped his hand up, carried on his shift and only went to hospital after work. Any of the locals will be off sick for the merest scratch and calling for compo.
"The immigrants" aren't taking jobs, the locals are too damn lazy to look. The business lost loads of staff as they felt they weren't wanted and productivity suffered. Quite ironic as the company owner was a leaver and wondered why they were all going home and it had a negative effect on the company.
Using that language form as an excuse? Fewer man, fewer. Are you even English?
Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Get a feel for proper English, not your champagne libtard socialist globalist fake talk. Reform UK will sort you Beeb-lipped Bolsheviks out.
Less immigrants = more Proper British. Less immigrants means more jobs. Maybe you should learn the difference between ‘less’ and ‘more’? Leave still means leave, just in case you wish to quibble that also.
#parodyindecline
You guys realise it's only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we're in the midst of a global pandemic?
Whipping yourselves into a frenzy and trying really, really, really hard to blame everything that's wrong in life on the referendum result...
Time to get out and get some fresh air. Maybe ride some bikes!
proper English
Proper British.
Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?
Are you for real? Have you got your head in the sand?
The huge damage to this county that was foretold in project fear is coming true - pretty much all of it
You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?
Different thread. Different shit. Same Govt. (Same shits)
proper English
Proper British.
Make your mind up are you a German immigrant or native Briton?
You think that ‘British’ is a language? You speak ‘proper British?’ Novel.
You think that only English people voted for Brexit. Or British people?
Must try harder.
#fullfatpoeslaw
You guys realise it’s only been 7 weeks since Brexit happened and we’re in the midst of a global pandemic?
Here is your reminder that our government (and official opposition) knew we were in the middle of global pandemic, yet refused to even entertain the idea of extending the transition period so that we (UK and EU) could concentrate on one problem at a time. Led by donkeys.
I feel sorry for these people and anyone in hardship as a result of
COVID orBrexit.
Don't conflate these things. They aren't the same and it's a deliberate misdirection to suggest otherwise.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal,
The loss of this trade is due to brexit. Period. No ifs, no buts, no The Big Boy Did It And Ran Away.
If you can describe how a better outcome might've been negotiated, we're all ears. You've got a blank canvas and an open mic, go. How would you have done it differently? Tell us what your good deal looks like.
Cos the last I heard, your lot didn't want one. You were all barking for far worse than what we eventually got, "no deal is better than a bad deal" remember? You were crowing for more loss of trade, because that's seemingly better, somehow. They need us more than we need them, or something. That's working out well, isn't it.
and vindictive behaviour of the EU.
You can't hand in your gym membership and then still expect to use the treadmill on Tuesdays when it's quiet. That's not the gym being vindictive, that's protecting their paying members who would otherwise go "wait, why are we paying for gym membership when these guys can use our facilities for free?"
The EU has been very clear, open and consistent throughout this process. It is very, very well documented. If you believe they've been vindictive then please tell us in what way they've been so.
Boris was in such a hurry to get it done almost nothing was checked or negotiated.
One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can "visit " the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only "visit" the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.
What kind of a deal is that?? its half the time - who worked on that gem of a deal??
If you believe they’ve been vindictive then please tell us in what way they’ve been so.
Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.
Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum thread in the deluded sense that your words are somehow making a difference?
I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back...
Feel free to selectively quote my posts if that makes you feel better.
One glaring example that will see more publicity is that EU citizens can “visit ” the UK for 6 months , but UK citizens can only “visit” the EU for 3 months before needing a visa.
Depends on the details surely. Having a more generous “visitor” arrangement may actually be a benefit.
Perhaps I owe you all an apology. It seems whilst I was enjoying my Saturday evening eating a nice dinner with my wife and watching a movie. You have spent your time working yourselves into some sort of frenzied furious typing away on a mounting bike forum
100% Poe/troll. Well played.
On the EU side nothing has changed on the three months "visit" (as opposed to work), it's only what happens after three months that's changed. Taking the French example: before Brexit people had to formalise their presence after three months, it's just that there was a right to stay beyond three months if you could fulfil some basic conditions of resources, you now need to ask nicely but if you do you can stay up to six months:
https://www.demarches.interieur.gouv.fr/particuliers/visa-long-sejour-sejour-mois-an
The six months on both sides is no doubt hoped to generate income and limit damage to businesses dependant on longer stay visitors.
If you're rich enough (or a priest/Iman/religious bod) you can get a long stay visa for France, you'd be surprised at how much Russian is spoken in Biaritz, or maybe you wouldn't. The conditions aren't cleary laid out, it's case by case, the main one in reality is the ability to spend lots of money.
See Faarage up here, his wife can legally set up in France and Farrage as her husband would fulfil the conditions for a visa. How many of those who voted for him are in that happy position? He's retained freedom of movement for himself having denied to the vast majority of his supporters. I can't think af any of the Leave team who couldn't live permanently in France if they so wish, but you?
On thing that does delight me is the way the Irish community which has been the butt of jokes and discrimination in the UK for centuries is now in the happy position of retaining EU privileges.
But thatscold is now trotting out the usual shite about a vengeful EU being beastly to us and a wonderful deal being possible…..
If he just came out and said he doesn’t like foreigners
But he’s merely trolling you between dinners, whilst grinning wistfully in the gratifying knowledge that you all neither eat, watch films, nor have a significant other with whom to chortle at the silly frenzied mounting* bikers.
I do find poe/satire-trolling a bit weird tbh. I sometimes do it myself, yet openly admit that it has limited appeal. Existential humour is (IME) often a weird sort of coping mechanism. But I do realise that trolling has many other possible motivations, and assuming makes asses etc.
*tipped hand 😉
Well, the German car manufacturers didn’t make Merkel make Macron make Barnier make VanDerLie-in give us everything we wanted at the last minute. And that’s because they lost the war. Pure and utter vindiction.
World Cup, man, don't forget the World Cup. They are still sore that we won it.
I’m sorry to break it to you but you are never getting that time back…
I view a few seconds spent typing 'knuckle dragging halfwits obsessed with immigration' and thinking of you as quite enjoyable, actually. So no worries there.
Hope you enjoyed your dinner - it won't be long before it costs you a significant amount more and any meat is pumped full of additives.
I assume it was something patriotic you had - meat and two veg and none of that foreign muck?
Today will be spent doing a little bit of bike maintenance, dropping some birthday presents off to my nieces and then having a lovely sunday dinner with my wife and two children. We all have our own lives, chap, it is just that some of us can go to bed each night safe in the knowledge that we are right.
You lost when you 'won'. You still think you 'won'. I pity you.
You lost when you ‘won’. You still think you ‘won’. I pity you.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
The loss of this trade is due to poor negotiation of the Brexit deal
Yeah but a good deal was never really possible. This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
Well we do seem to get more trolls than any tangible benefit of Brexit or the rules that they were so against that now don’t apply 🙂
Anyway fire up the patriotic music
(Reuters) - Britain could restrict imports of European mineral water and several food products under retaliatory measures being considered by ministers over Brussels’ refusal to end its blockade on British shellfish, the Telegraph reported.
We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’
Tangible benefits seem to apply to EU nationals in EU countries, thanks to the totally not moronic, or racist, or spiteful etc intentions of the brexit voters.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/21/sussex-medicines-firm-takes-production-line-abroad-white-van-beat-brexit-ban
This is the mistake Brexiteers made all along.
They didn’t want a bloody deal! They wanted OUT! Blue passports. Drawbridge raised.
They* wanted fewer foreigners and to ‘own’ the remainers. End of. IIRC ‘no deal’ was bandied around as the best of all ‘deals’. Almost as a mark of defiance/declaration of FU.
At whatever the cost. That’s no ‘mistake’. They got what they wanted. Any hardship would be worth seeing Ondrej and family down the road pack their bags and **** off back to Foreignistan. They also don’t have to worry about bananas and toasters any more.
*Unless you mean the opportunistic Brexiteers? The ones instrumental/cashing in on the self-appointed crisis? They too got what they wanted. They’ll be buggering off to South of France or Malta etc soon-enough if not already. Fauxrage for instance is already milking it by the increased trust his part in Brexit has built in GB’s OAPs/the faithful. The word ‘Great’ is a particular device.
Again, he’s just trolling you. He got all the attention and engaged none of the arguments. First rule of trolling.
I couldn't give a toss either way.
Trolling = sad troll who hasn't got enough going on in their life.
Genuine = sad, deluded, cheated, resentful person who looks daft to anyone with an objective view.
It's a lose-lose from thatscold's side...
Re the Sussex medicines story above, it would be poetic if the white van involved was driven by a Brexity type.
I can see him now, red faced, shouting at the departing company "yeah, get lost, bloody foreigners anyway, we don't need your sort here".
Then realising 30 seconds later they've made up more than 50% of his work in the last five years.
Probably didn't happen like that, but it is amusing to speculate.
We’re going to water war against the ‘blockade’
I'm sure those dastardly continentals will be flying the white flag pretty soon. I mean, there is no possible way around this other than...... turning on the tap and drinking the water from there.
There'll always be an England etc.....
Maybe you need to spend some time on the (English) Talk Radio Brexit comment threads
Can I stick hot pins in my eyeballs instead? That will be far less painful and just as useful!
Well we do seem to get more trolls
A Brexit Benefit, they are outing themselves for the big cull.
My apologies - I misread the mineral water story as being the UK refusing to export rather than import.
Oh well, council pop from now on.
Our friend is a hard worker in the cleaning industry. Years of breathing in fumes has damaged her lungs and physically she is shot. In recent years she has taken to selling handbags on eBay and had a good trade selling ones from Italy. She was able to scale back on the cleaning.
This has now had to stop and she is having to ramp up the cleaning with all the health implications.
She voted leave.
Shame...
Shame…
A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.
She lives in Cornwal. Her husband was the one that informed me that all the Cornish fish had to go to a central EU fish market and then be sold back to us.
She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.
Don't die of ignorance. Plenty will.
That is shitty. It is small specialist sellers that will be hit hardest… many will stop or just pay more to fulfilment specialists here or abroad and have even tighter margins.
A tiny bit of me wants to gloat but she is such a lovely ,hard working person I just feel sad for her.
What on earth possessed her to vote leave?
It is possible to have sympathy on an individual level, particularly if she admits the error. But she did get what she voted for. This is not a vindictive statement, just a fact.
No sympathy from me in the slightest, or to put it another way....**** her, I'll save my sympathy for those who voted remain, like my mate who is about to lose his fishing boat, his house and end up £400k in debt due to the whims and utter ignorance of others.
*** her
She already did. To herself. I doubt anything anyone says will make it any better or worse.
If she was still giving it the big'uns about 'winning' then sticking the boot in would be entirely appropriate. If she has realised the error and acknowledges it, then it really just comes down to a shrug of the shoulders.
🤷♂️
Edit: But it is worth saying that I do have lots of sympathy for the bloke who is going to lose everything and didn't vote for this shitshow.
She could probably go on the sick but she has never had a hand out in her life.
Is that what she pays National Insurance contributions for her whole working life, just to call the scheme a ‘handout’ if she qualifies for benefits?
‘Our employer poisoned us by cutting costs, we have insurance but don’t use it. It’s a matter of pride/only scummy people use it’ ?
Does she also refuse National Health care/services?
Maybe that’s one of the reasons why she voted out? Ideologically? To try and move another step closer to a more privatised US-style existence, where workers are often and easily walking the tightrope of being one pay-cheque/one illness from homeless or losing everything to a bad health-insurance deal?
Maybe have a whip around, raise a couple of hundred so she can invest in Wetherspoons? Just don’t call it a ‘handout’. In fact, Nigey-babes will no doubt gladly accept that couple of hundred in return for granting her access to his Great British Freedom For The Fortunate Scheme Thing - and if anyone knows how to come out of all this still smelling of moolah then it must certainly be Nige.
I don't think the amount of 'good' in the world goes up as a result of sticking the boot into someone who already admits they ****ed up voting Leave. My feelings are basically just neutral towards people like this - all I can muster is a shrug.
My mum voted Leave. Some crap about too much immigration leading to a civil war at some point. I asked what on earth she was on about and she couldn't answer. She has apologised twice since, saying how much she regrets voting Leave. I have just said on both occasions that it is too late to have regrets and I'd rather not talk about it because if I did we probably wouldn't speak ever again. The subject is just closed - I won't be the one to open it up again. If she had gone down the 'I won, you lost' route I doubt we would have spoken since.
She did also say before Johnson got the leadership of the Tories that if he did get it, it would 'be the end of the Conservative Party'. I just told her that it had already ended and been taken over by a English nationalist cabal, but not enough people had noticed. We don't talk politics at all nowadays.
They didn’t want a bloody deal! They wanted OUT! Blue passports. Drawbridge raised.
Nah not all of them. There was a lot of talk about our place in the single market not being threatened and so on. Having our cake and eating it via some great mythical deal was the promise.
the Cornish fish had to go to a central EU fish market and then be sold back to us.
Not sure if totally accurate. I think most of the fish they catch is not popular here but is abroad- hence it goes where the bulk of demand is.
Nah not all of them. There was a lot of talk about our place in the single market not being threatened and so on. Having our cake and eating it via some great mythical deal was the promise.
Yeah but.....
Look at the cast of crooks, liars and shitheads who were pushing Leave. Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.
Look at the company you keep.
The latest plan from Bozo the Clown.
Forget the bridge to Ireland, forget the tunnel to Ireland.
It's now multiple tunnels with a roundabout under the Isle of Man.
Boris ‘wants to build giant roundabout under the Isle of Man’
It’s now multiple tunnels with a roundabout under the Isle of Man.
I must have been hibernating, It's not April already is it?
I wish Johnson would just **** off.
He is supposedly representing 'us'. How can we ever look anyone else in the rest of the world ever again?
It is just embarrassing.