so lets get this traight
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/05/boris-london-air-quality
he scraps the low emission stage 3
hes gonna halve the size of the c-charge zone
he kept all his city boy chums happy by opposing red kens plan to up the c-charge 25quid a day for big engined cars(-i know my citigroup working mate with the 911 turbo voted for boris purely on the basis of this)
and the he says oh no london is full of pollutants and the EU is gonna fine us (not to mention the damage to public health)
and heres the best bit he wants the UK government to pay to clean up londons mess
The traffic volume within the CC zone is back to what it was like before its implementation, so scrapping it makes sense to me.
And Ken was a boring old fart, unlike Boris.
and Boris rides a bike (even if it is a Marin 😯 )
"The traffic volume within the CC zone is back to what it was like before its implementation, so scrapping it makes sense to me."
Surely that's an argument to increase the levy?
No, it only means that unless you charge, say, £100 per day it won't make any difference. Why? Because the tube is awful, you can't change at certain times from one line to another (Picadilly to Northern Line), trains stink, stations are dirty and tickets expensive.
We pay council taxes, road tax, all sorts of other taxes, we should be ale to commute as we want or need.
Remember folks, if you disagree with someone it must be because they are idiots, it's the singletrack way 😉
Ken was a boring old fart, unlike Boris.
Yep, I expect the Mayor of London to be clown who keeps me entertained on a regular basis.
Not some boring old fart who gets on with the job. So well done Boris.
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BTW, am I the only one who's noticed that Boris's hair isn't quite as funny as it used to be ? 😕
johnsons primary roll is to keep his school chums and their heirs at various hedge funds around the city in a good lifestyle hes jetted over to brussles several times to plead/ demand that they not be regulated despite their role in the financial collapse
he fought to close the western extension and stop taxing of landrovers, porches, bentleys and all the other big polluters because those people who live in kensington and chelsea are his friends (i cycle thru it ever day) and the price the rest of us pay is increased rates of cancer, asthma, noise pollution, smog etc etc
go boris
[i]Why? Because the tube is awful, you can't change at certain times from one line to another (Picadilly to Northern Line), trains stink, stations are dirty and tickets expensive.
We pay council taxes, road tax, all sorts of other taxes, we should be ale to commute as we want or need. [/i]
there is another way to travel around london
its called a bicycle it got 2 wheels its quicker than tube or bus makes you healthier and its fun the government even does this scheme called cycle to work......
BTW, am I the only one who's noticed that Boris's hair isn't quite as funny as it used to be ?
No.
Mrs Johnson must have got some new bowls.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
still think london is the best place in the world
(honest the north isn't laughing at you all the time - we all have to sleep you know!)
Anyway if I had the choice i'd vote for boris better than them damm commie b*gg*rs
Hillarious paxman interview on Newsnight
Hillarious paxman interview on Newsnight
Why ? What happened ?
.......... did Jeremy Paxman make a fool of himself again ?
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He's a smart operator that Boris Johnson ..... I'm telling you.
its called a bicycle it got 2 wheels its quicker than tube or bus makes you healthier and its fun the government even does this scheme called cycle to work......
Wasnt there a recent study that concluded that cycle commuting in that there London was equivelent to smoking 40 a day (in CO intake)
[i]Wasnt there a recent study that concluded that cycle commuting in that there London was equivelent to smoking 40 a day (in CO intake)[/i]
i can only find this....
http://www.candycranks.com/archives/2401
or this
Using a portable breath carbon monoxide analyser, breath carbon monoxide (CO) of non-smoking police motorcyclists in central London was found to be consistently elevated in comparison to non-smoking pedestrians. Although the highest levels were found among smokers, some of the non-smoking policemen had similar levels to their smoking colleagues. The highest levels among non-smoking police personnel were found in a group of car mechanics working in a partially enclosed garage. Among the non-smoking police motorcyclists the highest levels were seen on the day with the highest maximum average hourly ambient CO, the lowest wind speed and the highest air temperature. We conclude that occupational exposure to exhaust fumes leads to elevated levels of breath CO.
and this study showed that driving in a car actualy exposes you to more pollutants as the air intakes are at exhuast level
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez and search "pollution patrol car"
Wasnt there a recent study that concluded that cycle commuting in that there London was equivelent to smoking 40 a day (in CO intake)
Sounds hugely unlikely. Here's a study that concluded the particle mass concentration in tube trains was almost 10 times higher than those measured by London cyclists
[url= http://tinyurl.com/ycu45gc ]http://tinyurl.com/ycu45gc[/url]
We pay council taxes, road tax, all sorts of other taxes, we should be ale to commute as we want or need
Unfortunately the way the majority chosses invlolves large amounts of pollutants. Unless you force change on people they will just drive their cars till they either run out of oil or die in the smog (the slow average speed seems to have little effect).
he fought to close the western extension and stop taxing of landrovers, porches, bentleys and all the other big polluters because those people who live in kensington and chelsea are his friends
They were going to tax Porches? 😯 😉
Simple solution, ban cars from the centre of London.
Yup classic Johnson v Paxman interview.
he fought to close the western extension and stop taxing of landrovers, porches, bentleys and all the other big polluters because those people who live in kensington and chelsea are his friends
probably best not to mention the reduction of charge that would have been applicable to people within the WE eh?
Anything happening in London makes me laugh. Yes, I know as a provincial northern monkey I'm paying tax to provide cockneys with their gold lined streets but to be honest, every time I go down there to sort out boris's money making CCTV or his get his wireless working, I piss myself laughing at all the people walking around in their own self imposed hell while convincing themselves it's the best place on earth. It's worth the extra tax I'm charged.
And best of all, at the end of the day I can get on a train and go home.
The traffic volume within the CC zone is back to what it was like before its implementation, so scrapping it makes sense to me.
Commuting overall has increased, but traffic congestion has stayed the same.
So no, scrapping it doesn't make sense.
And best of all, at the end of the day I can get on a train and go home.
Tis a shame that a lot more of your northern monkey types who have moved down here don't do the same, they're making the place extra miserable. 😉
Yup classic Johnson v Paxman interview.
So Boris got the upper hand again !! ............ he's a boy our Boris, innee...I really don't know why Paxman bothers
He's a gigantic knobber, but he has his moments... Today was a good day. "Right everyone", says David Cameron, "Don't talk about Europe, hopefully nobody will notice." "Righto" says Boris, steps on stage and says "EUUUURRRRRROOOOPPPPPPPPPPE!". We salute you.
I piss myself laughing at all the people walking around in their own self imposed hell while convincing themselves it's the best place on earth
😀
... couldn't 've put it better myself!
From this thread it seems like the miserable ones are the northerners up north, and the cockernees in London. I'm a happy carless northerner in London's Fashionable That London. So there.
Compared to that Yoda-looking idiots Boris comes across as a bloody good choice (and that is saying something).
I always find it depressing when so called cyclists start moaning about paying road tax and having rights to use their car.
Boris may be a bit of a toff etc etc etc, but London's certainly a better place without Ken's constant petty whinging, subsidising and do-goodering.
The capital city should be a place for wealthy, smart, civilised people who contribute positively to the economy - if you're on hand-outs it doesn't make sense to live in possibly the most expensive part of the country - why not shift the doleys and scroungers somewhere that's cheaper for them to live (and cheaper for us to pay their rents and taxes for them).
like up North ? 😆
I always find it depressing when so called cyclists start moaning about paying road tax and having rights to use their car
why?
Anyone remember Ken's Cronies? Good bye Ken. The protest vote against Labour was silly with hindsight wasnt it.
Does anyone still have that clip where Boris almost came a cropper with the speeding truck? YIKES!
Boris' speech at the Conservative Party Conference was mildly amusing. But other than that I can't stand the guy.
We pay council taxes, road tax, all sorts of other taxes, we should be ale to commute as we want or need.
I pay all those too, can I have the tube where I live please? I've lived in That London and while I wouldn;t ever go back, londoners whinging about how bad the tube is really get my goat, try living in one of the major metropolitan conurbations where there's no integrated transport system and you'll see just how bloody good london has it
The capital city should be a place for wealthy, smart, civilised people who contribute positively to the economy
Good idea - and they can clean up after themselves, teach each others kids, drive each other round in buses, look after each other in hospital, serve each other at Fortnum and Mason's checkout.
Oh, hang on a minute ...
Politics = showbusiness for ugly people. Boris epitomises that 😉
Politics = showbusiness for ugly people.
Looking at some of the pre-campaign local and national election group-shots in the past I tend to agree!
Sounds hugely unlikely. Here's a study that concluded the particle mass concentration in tube trains was almost 10 times higher than those measured by London cyclists
I can't find the article now, I'll look tonight. But It was either 20 a day or 40 a day. Particle mass concentration would be high, its massively dusty down in the tube - you can tell that just by blowing your nose when you leave - it's grim!
From my time in London I distinctly remember the Jubilee Line being absolutely crackers past 7.30am in the morning. It was impossible with queues 5-folk deep just to get to the end of the platform. From memory I remember thinking the tube was over its capacity in rush hour periods- it was just absolutely crazy/dangerous and the smallest problem or delay caused dangerous overcrowding on the platforms. Good luck to Boris. Its a fantastic system until it gets very busy sadly. Plus theres the people who are accidently pushed onto the lines due to the above problems. Not everyone is a jumper.
On this, when this happens. You might as well walk to work....or cycle and take your chances against the buses 😯
Yeah, I've been caught in rush hour queues on the Tube at Victoria and London Bridge when it's so busy that they have to close the gates to stop more people walking down there. Within a few minutes there's hundreds of people packed into the station all waiting to get down to the platform. Misery - how anyone can bring themselves to do that every day is beyond me.
I switch to cycling in and was given a formal caution for cycling through Regents Park. I was told my bike name/colour was noted and it would be a £250 if caught again. Luckily they didnt know who they were dealing with....... 8)Misery - how anyone can bring themselves to do that every day is beyond me.
it was pretty clear when Ken, Boris and 'that other guy' posted on STW with their pledges that boris didn't have a clue what he was doing. it was just headline grabbing nonsense like removing bendy busses.
every means of transport in the south east is 'at capacity' as far as i can tell. One slight problem on the roads/tubes or trains and it grinds to a halt. the average speed in london has not changed for around 100 years i think??
but it will always be like that won't it? if it was dead easy to commute further, more people will do it. its an overcrowded part of the country.
If you can cycle however, you escape all that.
it amazes me that more people dont cycle in london
and im really surprised that on a cycling forum everyone seems so attached to the bus/tube car commute
my cycle to and from work is ace!
I used to love the sometimes wildly optimistic minutes-countdown to the next tube. It was almost 'Moon minutes' in length!
The tube is brilliant, considering the number of people it has to cart around each day.
And under Ken the buses went from a joke to a punctual and reliable service, almost tot he point where there were too many of them.
If you don't remember the bad old days then don't worry. I see Boris wants to cut £5bn from Transport for London - so they'll be back soon enough.
I think the saying go's
Not for all the tea in China
would i live in London town
We pay council taxes, road tax, all sorts of other taxes, we should be ale to commute as we want or need.
Bit short sighted don't you think? And there is no such thing as road tax.
chakaping- I must admit, for a pub crawl/night out the tube is amazing 😀
London's certainly a better place without Ken's constant petty whinging, subsidising and do-goodering.
Hear, hear, ........ don't you just [i]hate[/i] "do-gooders" ? I saw a young lady helping a very elderly old lady who had dropped her shopping the other day. It made my blood boil 👿 ....... Bleedin do-goodering bastards
Still, Boris got on the case straight away - one of the first things he did as Mayor was to scrap free travel for poor people ..... gawd bless 'im.
And now he's well on the way to significantly increasing pollution in London. So that can't be a good thing, what with the effect on people's health and the environment etc. Thank **** Ken isn't around to mess up his plans.
I can't wait until the Tories are back in government doing lots of bad things such as punishing people for being poor, old, jobless, sick etc etc
Enough of these "go-gooders" I say ! 8)
[i]Boris got on the case straight away - one of the first things he did as Mayor was to scrap free travel for poor people ..... gawd bless 'im[/i]
Why do the poor need to travel ?
Their basic 'poor-person' needs can be easily serviced by a weekly visit from the Tesco truck and a totter down to the local newsagent for a couple of scratch cards and a lucky dip for saturday.......
I can't wait until the Tories are back in government doing lots of bad things such as punishing people for being poor, old, jobless, sick etc etc
I cant wait until the Tories are back in power and merely shagging each other then lying about it rather than the lies, mismanagement, soundbites and pandering to the huge public sector vote.
Could we qualify who qualified for free transport? Was it OAPS (fine) or was it the unemployed?
Why do the poor need to travel ?
To service the rich, of course. Do try to keep up, there's a good chap.
The capital city should be a place for wealthy, smart, civilised people who contribute positively to the economy
Like bankers?
hora and the tory MP's will be mightily pleased that the "great unwashed" (and I quote) voted for them.
I abstained at the last election.
London commuter cycling is ace apart from this morning when I got incredibly wet feet. Common Boris sort it oooouuuuuuut. As much as I dislike his party and politics I have a horrible feeling the country will be seeing a lot more of him in the future, he ain't stupid, he's learning to make watchable speeches and my girlfriend likened him to Burlusconi. We could well be in trouble...
You washed your hands of them...igmc 🙄
I saw him talking at conference about the Transport for London cuts.
Kept hammering an awful semi-joke about "the equal opportunities away day" or something, while explaining how he was going to cut £5bn from TfL. Nobody was laughing.