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Quick bit of polling, don’t take it too seriously, but it’s a flavour of what people are thinking/saying:
https://twitter.com/focaldatahq/status/1469327797013430280?s=21
https://twitter.com/focaldatahq/status/1469327824381165574?s=21
Even less popular than during the Cummings eye test farce
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1469323274240897035?t=y20jnM3Md-vB5EQ-P4ogrA&s=19
Quick question. Is there a reason someone in opposition hasn’t triggered a vote of no confidence?
I'm guessing because if you do it an lose it actually adds a modicum of credibility to the incumbent, whereas if you wait a week or two you might actually get to the point where you can win? But of course if you do it and win presumably they are just as worried about who the successor is? Either because they might be good and by the next election have reversed the credibility crisis or because it might be Truss or Rab and the country will blame them for it!
@kimbers - where did they find the 24% who said they had a favourable opinion of Boris Johnson?
Some of them were probably busy picketing RNLI boats, or arguing with small retailers that they shouldn’t blame Brexit for charging them more.
A picture is worth a thousand words
https://twitter.com/sturgess_steve/status/1469245180566032388
Apologies if already been done.
poly
Free Member
@kimbers – where did they find the 24% who said they had a favourable opinion of Boris Johnson?
My sister and bil would still vote for him, "he's funny".
Neighbour down the road thinks, "he's doing his best."
Neighbour down the road thinks, “he’s doing his best.”
I never understand that argument since the key thing is "is it good enough". if the answer is so then who cares if they are trying their best. I am pretty sure I would be crap at being PM no matter how hard I try and so wouldnt try and become PM.
I thought the tories were against prizes just for trying hard.
^^ I can't get my head around it either. Basically Boris is his hero over Brexit.
This guy thinks all problems relate to immigration basically...
I've told him I just can't talk politics with him but he can't help himself sometimes.
Someone should send johnson, raab, truss and the rest of the odious sycophants a collected edition of Marina Hyde's finest vituperative articles.
Accompanied by a side order of John Crace.
Truss is on a mission
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1469310197923471374?t=mqksLXtPumZwM-Qi7W9k2w&s=19
Neighbour down the road thinks, “he’s doing his best.”
I never understand that argument since the key thing is “is it good enough”.
This is of course, the rational question to ask. But people by nature are very irrational, primarily drawn by their social instincts. Many people see a Prime Minister who is just like them; an imperfect human being muddling through day to day life, but for the most part means well and has good banter. It makes no sense whatsoever from an evidenced and objective viewpoint, but on a social level that relatability puts him in a category of trust and commands some degree of loyalty.
I’d expect Boris is now effectively trapped in the job until we start seeing some positive signs from Covid, Brexit, whatever.
So, you're pinning your hopes on the covid situation getting better then? Otherwise it is Johnson forever if we've got to wait for a Brexit positive.
My sister and bil would still vote for him, “he’s funny”.
That's a toughie. Try to do all future interaction by letter perhaps?
Neighbour down the road thinks, “he’s doing his best.”
Move house. Life is too short to live near utter strokers.
Truss is on a mission
She’s asked Raab for the number of his photographer. Same set, obvs…
Needs more flags
Family, eh?
The guy down the road (the Boris/Brexit fan), he's recovering from cancer and for all his faults he's had a rough time. That top trumps his politics with me.
I just don't talk politics with him. Sorted.😁
dantsw13
Free MemberWhy don’t labour stand down & tell their supporters to vote LD?
In the last general election Labour took twice as many votes as the Lib Dems and were second. The Lib dems have cleverly leaked their internal poll suggesting they're in second and that Labour are only polling around 10%, but everyone seems to be ignoring that it's based only on postal voters (and they didn't leak anything about the methodology). Labour have also leaked theirs and it says the opposite, naturally, but we also don't know how that one was arrived at. The Lib Dems have a proven track record of using misleading polling detail but does that apply here? Don't know.
TBH the Labour results just seem more plausible- it more or less comes to "we get back slightly more votes than we lost last time and the lib dems make a small gain" whereas the Lib Dem one is "we get 370% of the votes we got last time and Labour lose half of theirs".
And of course nationally most polling is showing gains for Labour that would match or exceed their polling, but nothing like matches the Lib Dems. Local is local but...
My scottish 20 pence says Labour are second.
What day is the by election guys?
@binners
That pic Of Raab is him calling IT because he can't open a bloody spreadsheet...
It would be funny if it hadn't cost lives. Utter arsehole.
That pic Of Raab is him calling IT because he can’t open a bloody spreadsheet…
It's actually him bawling out IT because he can't open a spreadsheet. Asking for help is weak. Yelling at people because they can't change the world to adapt to your idiocy is 'strong'.
I'm actually surprised he is holding the receiver the right way up if I'm honest.
Prat.
And the reason Raab froze when Kabul fell was because his foremost thought at the time was:
"Shit, this means publicly re-homing brown Muslim people in the UK. That will play badly with the Brexity new tory voters".
Irrespective of the fact that most of them had helped the UK far more than he ever has.
Wow those photos!
Many people see a Prime Minister who is just like them; an imperfect human being muddling through day to day life, but for the most part means well and has good banter.
Imagine what the same people would say about a doctor, nurse, teacher, police officer, social worker, failing at their job but doing their best and muddling through.
Wow those photos!
You just know that Liz is watching cat videos on YouTube.
Poops - by election is next Thursday; see kimbers post ^^^ showing libdems as narrow favourites with Ladbrokes.
If you're feeling nerdy - Shropshire Star website.
^^ Ah, cheers, missed that!
What's doubling faster than Omicron?
-Labour's poll lead *
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1469444673739665421?t=8sdMtibiP-DEvqNr6Ofuuw&s=19
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Stollen from twitter
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I'm aware it'll probably settle down in Johnson can keep his head down until new year
frankconway
Full MemberPoops – by election is next Thursday; see kimbers post ^^^ showing libdems as narrow favourites with Ladbrokes.
Which isn't just about likelihoods of course, it's also about gambling behaviour
northwind - yes but bookies rarely go bust.
As at 5 mins ago LibDems were 2/1 on, tories 13/8 against with some slight variations between bookies.
An article from political betting website https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/12/10/north-shropshire-betting-with-a-clean-slate/
Thought I'd pop over to The Spectator website to see what they have to say about the festivities at No.10
Had to scroll down a fair bit then came By an article penned by the Deputy Editor, (not the Political Editor, who is Allegra Stratton's husband).
It's titled ;"The phoney war on Allegra Stratton"
It's all the fault of political hacks pretending to speak for ordinary folk whilst being secretly jealous that they weren't invited, apparently...
Or in other words, it's the media's fault for reporting it.
Quick question. Is there a reason someone in opposition hasn’t triggered a vote of no confidence
It's the whole don't play politics balls.
I think there's an interesting battle between the libertarians and the authoritarians in the Tory party currently.
That definitely gives Johnson a problem going forward.
Quick question. Is there a reason someone in opposition hasn’t triggered a vote of no confidence
Why take a risk when your enemy is making an absolute rip roaring **** up of it all on their own?
More importantly, there is absolutely no danger of them suddenly becoming competent. It's the gift that keeps on giving for labour.
And just like that, it's off the front pages.
I think the Plan B vote gives Starmer (and the government, if they were feeling very brave) a chance to score some points at the expense at the expense of the ERG/CRG headbangers.
If Labour comes out punching, suggesting anyone who thinks it's dictatorship should educate themselves on some history, that it is only a mask and not a lockdown, uses some language along the lines of "behaving like children", "growing up" and "taking responsibility" then it will present we to the sensible majority, the waverers and the disillusioned Tories.
If the government took the same line, they'd upset a minority for the same result, with the opposition support swinging the vote for them anyway and no chance of losing. Risky but a chance to show some leadership.
Bookies also have England as favourites to win the Euros/World Cup every time.
I'm sure Truss had absolutely nothing to do with leaking this😜
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1469481302931951630?t=seDR3Wy_L-ggwq6_lYjU5w&s=19
Still confuses me that the Telegraph are going fully at Johnson:
https://twitter.com/michaelpdeacon/status/1469394571566239746?s=21
Still confuses me that the Telegraph are going fully at Johnson:
They have for a long time.
It’s going to be ironic when all the Brexity, anti-mask, libertarian headbangers of the ERG - the ones who put him where he is - all vote against him next week. There’s up to 60 of them, apparently
And then he’ll be dependent on the Labour Party to get some sensible, modest rules through in the face of opposition from the lunatics in his own party
I’d say that changing shitty nappies is going to be the high point of the next week for Johnson 😂
They have for a long time.
Attempts to push policy in a particular direction. This last week it’s switched to Johnson’s character, along with the other right wing papers.
Daily polling now
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1469607508608176131?t=0UhX3dY2AeDz3Ery2XEYlA&s=19
That ^^ poll puts Reform UK 1% behind the LibDems. It's not entirely surprising if Reform UK has benefited from the current situation.
And if that poll isn't too far off the mark and LibDem support really is that low it doesn't inspire confidence that they will win next week's by-election.
Although Reform UK are also standing in North Shropshire so if the Tories haemorrhage support to them on Thursday it will help whoever is in the strongest position to challenge them.
They won’t win the bye-election. But also, in the UK, you really can’t map national UK wide polling onto individual constituencies. This is always true, from Falkirk to Falmouth, and the Forest of Dean and Frodesley in between.
In reply to lots of posts above, the polls and by-elections have very little meaning compared to actual votes at general elections.
If the Long Knives are drawn and BJ goes there’s a rift devoid of a replacement. Anyone in the Tory party with even half a brain will distance themselves from the mess that is Brexit and Covid. They will not want to be tarred with any of it.
STW forum, and especially political topics, are populated by a very small minority of liberal hand wringers, and I’m one of them. If anyone thinks Sunak, Patel, The Saj, could win a general election must be smoking some top draw crack. The Blue Rinse Facists, the Brexity Blue Wall Notherners, the “man in the street”, are not going to vote for them. They’re the wrong colour or the wrong sex, or both. Gove wouldn’t win either, especially when the super injunction wears off and, well, you know.
The Clown needs to own his Brexit and his Covid incompetence, show him up for what he is and represents.
A vote of no confidence, in either Johnson or his government, actually strengthens him and the Tories ATM. It would never pass and it would be a Tories = winner / Labour = loser.
Although Reform UK are also standing in North Shropshire so if the Tories haemorrhage support to them on Thursday it will help whoever is in the strongest position to challenge them.
They could be a useful factor, sucking up Tory voters who want to protest against Boris and/or lockdown but don't want to go full Labour or Liberal.
Who was the MP's second choice against Boris for the leadership? Hunt. He's been very quiet.....
He would actually be the smart choice. Brexit is done, lets move on & rebuild, plus he's been very sensible on Covid.
I’m sure Truss had absolutely nothing to do with leaking this
if they keep briefing against each other they may dig a hole so deep they'll never get of out it whoever's in charge.
He would actually be the smart choice.
Which is why they won't pick him. 😉
The problem is, a lot of Tory MPs fear that Hunt would be less averse to more Covid restrictions. Half of them couldn't even manage to wear a mask in the Commons.
His pro-hard Brexit credentials are also somewhat suspect, which appears to be a requirement these days.
Who was the MP’s second choice against Boris for the leadership? Hunt. He’s been very quiet…..
He would actually be the smart choice. Brexit is done, lets move on & rebuild, plus he’s been very sensible on Covid.
It's a sad day when he seems the least worst option, but I agree.
People are still mistaking this present government for the Tory party. It isn't. Its a far right English Nationalist party
The Peter Bone/Desmond Swayne fruitloops have now been joined by the latest intake of uber-hardline brexiteers. Anyone who isn't barking mad has been driven out or silenced. These people think that being asked to wear a facemask in Tesco is tantamount to fascism and that leaving the EU is the best thing that ever happened in the history of the world, ever!
They're the ones who will decide the next leader.
So it won't be anyone sane, thats for sure
People are still mistaking this present government for the Tory party. It isn’t. Its a far right English Nationalist party
It's batshit. Read the comments under that Telegraph story up there ^^
They're all convinced that there hasn't been a 'real conservative' leader since Thatcher, and that Boris is a leftie in disguise, obsessed with all that greenie eco nonsense (which is also Carrie's fault) and that only Nigel can save us now. Or Reform UK.
The governments/Johnsons official line is still that no parties took place
Bonkers that they're letting this outpace them
Sunday papers will be funny
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1469617538791317518?t=vReDIcbxREemDtqhuvDhRQ&s=19
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are still mistaking this present government for the Tory party. It isn’t. Its a far right English Nationalist party
It's very much the Tory party. But they evolve to suit the electorate - still in essence keeping themselves on a sliding scale of the right wing spectrum of horror.
As long as their is a minority group to keep the public angry that's all they need.
Nah, they're a nationalist party. Even Thatcher was a liberal in comparison.
The Tories have absorbed the half a million or so voters that used to vote BNP that had shifted to UKIP and then the Brexit party. It's flip or twist for them now, if they go for someone sensible then they'll lose these voters. If they go the way of the new intake then they'll alienate the centre ground. Either way, there's no one with Johnson's charisma waiting in the wings and the electorate is beginning to suffer charisma fatigue as it is.
He might be as dull as dishwasher but Starmer is looking a better choice by the day. With the final clearing out of Corbynista's in the last month or so, I think he has managed to put Labour's recent past behind him in the eyes of the electorate. No need to lay punches on the opposition when they are self immolating.
Thatcher was a liberal in comparison
A woke snowflake in comparison..... with her talk of British people fearing being 'swamped' by immigrants from the new Commonwealth and ****stan, her Section 28 to remind everyone that homosexuality is an unnatural perversion, the shackling of trade unions, her opposition to sanctions against the white supremacists in South Africa and her denunciation of the opposition in South Africa as terrorists, her supremely regressive "flagship" policy the Poll Tax, her abolition of a London wide local authority because the Tories never seemed to win the elections leaving the UK the only democracy in the world without a city-wide authority, her support for Pol Pot, her support for the fascist and murderous dictatorship in Chile, her refusal to even consider finding a negotiated settlement for NI and her instructions that the voices of legally elected politicians from NI that didn't agree with her shouldn't be heard by television viewers.
Yup, clearly more liberal than the present UK government. Bizarrely though the NF, who before Thatcher occasionally knocked the Liberal Party into 4th place in constituency elections, saw their vote collapse and disappear during her premiership. It's almost as if racists were drawn to voting Conservative during her time.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1469445627713052683
need to click on for full text, and for those too lazy............
Waiting to see if my Tory MP, Kelly Tolhurst, is outed as being at any of the multitude of parties that went on.
Was it more of an uber long festival perhaps?
Parties?
What parties?
They were gatherings - which makes everything OK so...nothing to see here.
How caned do you have to get to look like that at 50? And she's the best they can come up with.
Really hoping Liz Truss wasn’t involved in any parties. It would be a tragedy if she’s not the next PM.
I have to agree Truss would be hilarious as PM
Yep, she would help.
Is she the one that starts a new sentence after every word?
You mean that you never do?
That. Is. A. Disgrace.
How caned do you have to get to look like that at 50
nobody knows what she looks like - she only goes out in public wearing one of Tim Martin’s shed skins.
She'd lower the tone on Plenty of Fishes.
Every time Theresa Coffey comes on the telly I think of Mrs Doubtfire
As for Liz Truss. When she’s interviewed, you can literally see and hear the cogs whirring and clicking as she desperately tries to construct a sentence
one
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I think what's impressive is how soft Johnsons support is turning out to be
I wonder how low his numbers will end up going?
As I was saying....
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1469759308380389376?t=QfOW7Ji-oFfZogDHww6X6A&s=19
kimbers
Full Member
I have to agree Truss would be hilarious as PM
When she gives her speeches she reminds me of a young child full of naive glee, cheerfully telling her parents that she just did a poo poo on the potty like a big girl.😁
Most importantly, I don't see her being an election winner.👍
There's potentially so much more sh1T to come out, can't be that many who would volunteer to be in the firing squad line up. But you never know...
Johnson's rabble are not a tory government. They are a Nationalist-Socialist 'Workers' party who actually appeal a lot more to 'old school' Labour voters than they'd like to admit at parties.
Still, a few Brexity lorry drivers have managed to get a few quid extra as a result of the stupid restricted labour market created by Brexit. Hopefully they enjoy it before it is wiped out by inflation in a month or two. And they'll have devalued the wages of those of us working all the hours god sends 'woking from home'*, so go them.
CPI expected to exceed 5% next year. Short-termist, stupid and unsustainable. Just like Brexit itself.
👍
*Although, I should add that I'm now about £100 a month better off from what I've saved on fuel. As well as not buying stuff from the supermarket on lunchtime walks to get out of the office.
😆
Sorry, new around here.
How about you?
Ah okay. You wouldn't have seen dannyh's posts then. He said pretty much exactly what you are saying, ie the Tories are national socialists and appeal to old school working class Labour voters.
They are though, aren't they?
British jobs for British workers. Ousting foreign workers to the temporary benefit of a few brits and appearing in front of about the same number of union jacks at any given opportunity that Adolf used to with swastikas. It's all a bit "National Socialist British Workers' Party", no?
One of their premier mouthpieces seems to think so...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-conservatives-have-become-the-true-workers-party
They’re very national socialist in what they say, in what they do… not so much.
They like the iconography, but don’t follow it through with actions. As you’ve noted, any increase in the living standards of the great unwashed are accidental and temporary
Adolf would have actually funded those train lines in the north. He was big on that sort of thing
This lot love waving flags and slagging off immigrants but when it comes to actions they’ve the same priorities as the old school establishment Tory’s. The money all goes to the same old places. Dished out to the same old people. They couldn’t care less about the rest. They’ve pretty much stopped even pretending they do
Sorry, new around here.
Or just in for another innings? Looks like you've been caught in the slips. 🙂