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It reminds me of peak Ruth Davidson, before the westminster party decided to destroy her. But she did it well, Truss looks like the victim of a prank. "It'll be great Liz, we'll put you in a tank, everyone'll love it"
Yeah Tory voters love all that.
I give you Ruth "tank commander*" Davidson although she at lest did join the territorials so had some excuse but she didn't half enjoy a photo op with the military and more than pushed her luck with when and where she could get into uniform!
*A reference to a Scottish TV character - I just realised many of you will not get it
rather satisfactory result
Ernie is much better at this political fluffing than Allegra Stratton was ever going to be. There has to be an opening for him in Johnson’s team.
I am beginning to think Ernie is no lefty at all with his obvious admiration for and strong defense of the tories. Weird
Not all Tories, just the "new" ones running the country right now... (leopards/spots).
There has to be an opening for him in Johnson’s team.
Not losing a safe Tory seat in a by-election, as the Tories did a few months ago, is clearly a satisfactory result for Johnson, losing it might have put his position more in doubt.
Although I do accept Kelvin that in your self-appointed role of policing political threads to ensure that only completely negative comments are ever made about Tories you would much rather yesterday's by-election was described as a total disaster for the Tories. Despite the fact that it clearly wasn't.
You are only interested in pitchfork politics, anything that deviates from that is completely unacceptable to you.
So consequenctly you have to repeatedly make puerile suggestions that I am a Tory in the vague hope that I will only post things which cast Tories in one hundred percent negative light.
My comment about Sunak undoubtedly pissed you off because I should be attacking rather than providing a logical explanation as to why he attended the Gurkhas passing out parade.
You are only interested in pitchfork politics
I’m interested in lots of things. Including why you always jump in to defend Johnson, and talk him up so much. It’s a fascinating trend.
Actually Johnson already in Shropshire campaigning at a chemist today
Owen Patersons seat obviously much more of a worry for the Tories
https://twitter.com/LongsightedOwl/status/1466817649032237056?t=Z4F9cVz3QUp56aiUZAadTQ&s=19
Cheers for the info @ernielynch
I did have a bit of cynicism due to the Lizz Truss picture and the timing of this one but as there is more to it, fair enough.
why you always jump in to defend Johnson, and talk him up so much. It’s a fascinating trend.
I genuinely don't intend to be rude, but I can't think of any other way of saying this..... it's like having a discussion with a child.
I suggest that yesterday's by-election result was satisfactory for Johnson and you instantly interpret that as 'defending' Johnson, and 'talking him up'.
This is what the Friday Briefing in today's Guardian said, quote :
"The result will help calm jitters within the party about Boris Johnson’s leadership."
So are going to also accuse the Guardian of being Tory because they didn't describe it as a disaster?
Frankly I couldn't give a toss if you think I'm a Tory, but ffs grow up.
I genuinely don’t intend to be rude
It would be unusual if you didn’t come across that way. It it’s not intentional… well, happy to give you the benefit of the doubt there. Have a good weekend.
It would be unusual if you didn’t come across that way.
Well if you are going to constantly stalk someone through the political threads and engage in personal attacks then don't be entirely surprised if their response doesn't always come across as one hundred percent polite.
If you disagree with my suggestion that yesterday's by-election result was satisfactory for Johnson then just say so and explain why you disagree.
There's no need for the personal attacks and childish bollocks such "There has to be an opening for him in Johnson’s team."
I understand that when you can't provide a counterargument you resort to insults, I've seen you do with other people, but why **** up a thread with silly personal attacks?
I am beginning to think Ernie is no lefty at all with his obvious admiration for and strong defense of the tories. Weird
Well I am treble jabbed but if you want to see me as an anti-vax right-winger because I happen share the Guardian's Friday Briefing claim that yesterday's election result 'will help calm jitters within the party about Boris Johnson’s leadership' then that is your prerogative. It makes no odds to me and my arguments remain the same.
Edit : It is laughably stupid that me claiming yesterday's by-election result was "satisfactory" for Johnson should lead to the accusation that I am a Tory and that, quote : "There has to be an opening for him in Johnson’s team"
Because of course that is exactly the language that Tories use, or any other political party for that matter, when they win an election....... satisfactory!
I'm with Ernie on this one. His posts seem pretty reasonable to me.
*A reference to a Scottish TV character – I just realised many of you will not get it
JOhnson has been reported to the police for parties last christmas at no 10 in breach of covid rules
I will bet right now that its marked " not in the public interest" to prosecute
however this will damage him
The met have already said that they won’t investigate retrospective breeches of Covid rules, so he’s got away with his usual ‘the rules don’t apply to me’ lifestyle yet again
But if the QT audience was anything to go by the other night, people across the political spectrum are all rightly very very pissed off, having cancelled their own Christmas gatherings. It seems to have really cut through where other issues like the crony Covid contracts haven’t
Any update on Barry Gardiner‘s official complaint? Dick went on Radio4 saying there would be no investigation as there had been no complaints… so he lodged a complaint.
I am beginning to think Ernie is no lefty at all with his obvious admiration for and strong defense of the tories.
If you turn left enough times you end up going right
Is it just me or are the Starmer and Johnson threads almost identical? Almost like this place is imitating real life.
PS according to Binners the by-election result is a massive win for the tories. That’s all that matters right?
Is it just me or are the Starmer and Johnson threads almost identical?
Tbh I think this thread is becoming more and more like the Brexit thread.
This "if you can't think of something bad to say about the Tories then don't say anything at all" attitude is designed to stifle debate.
Even neutral comments concerning the Tories are now deemed as unacceptable and will quite likely result in you being labelled a Tory.
So you end up in the ludicrous situation whereby suggesting that Thursday's by-election was satisfactory enough, for now at least, not to trigger a Tory leadership challenge, and you are denounced as a Tory and told to work for Johnson.
Newspapers such as the Guardian and the FT can make exactly the same point but God help anyone who makes it on this thread.
There are nearly 6,000 replies on this thread about Boris Johnson but it is extremely unlikely, if not possible, to find a single poster who is a Tory or supports Johnson, apart from me obviously. And that is despite the fact that over a third of voters in the UK support the Tories.
And judging by the Brexit thread no one in UK supports Brexit.
So much for liberal attitudes and tolerance of other people's opinions.
deemed as unacceptable
No they aren’t. Write what you want. Others can also make comments. You can choose to then be rude and condescending if you want. Carry on.
This all smacks of a “cancel culture” rant to me. No one is stopping you from saying what you want. No one is saying what you are posting is “unacceptable”. I find it interesting how much you post in support of Johnson in this thread, and elswhere, and can express that in a jokey way if I wish. And, no, I don’t think you are a “Tory” at all, far from it, which is why I find your posts about Johnson (throughout this thread, not just recent comments in isolation) worthy of note. I find that pattern genuinely interesting.
So much for liberal attitudes and tolerance of other people’s opinions.
I ****ing hate intolerant people. String the ****ers up.
The Brexit thread is lacking in brexiteers simply because the benefits of brexit are pretty much nonexistent.
Defending brexit is impossible arm
The Johnson thread is mostly lefties slagging off Johnson
The Starmer thread is mostly lefties slagging off Starmer (& each other)
Do here we are
I find it interesting how much you post in support of Johnson in this thread, and elswhere,
Can you give some examples of this? Since pointing out that this result wasnt a bad one is a fair statement shared by pretty much all political commentators. Yes their vote collapsed but then again so did Labours and the tories can sit there and hope the sleaze will be somewhat forgotten come the next election whilst anticipating that Starmer will still be utterly forgetable.
There doesnt look to be any obvious reason for a leadership battle right now. Perhaps if the sleaze and incompetence remains hanging around like a bad smell but currently the "all the same" line seems to be working for the tories with regards to that.
Yes quite right...... how are you supposed to even investigate crime RETROSPECTIVELY? I mean, if you can't convict somebody of a crime before they have done it, what's even the point?!?
It is part of proactive policing, arrest or at very least harass people before they have done any crime. Clearly pick on black people first as they are more likely to be offenders.
Great, we now live in the sort of country where a Justice Secretary has to make nonsense claims about policing as a way of lying about law-breaking at the heart of the government he's part of.
Well it is one rule for us and no rules for them.
Interesting side effect of Brexit, I’m sure there will be many more unintended consequences of giving numpties total control.
Interesting side effect of Brexit
You're not kidding it's interesting, the EU has a policy on social gatherings during the covid pandemic? I'm surprised that response to covid has varied so dramatically throughout the EU then.
Also interesting is how the Independent saw Raab's interview on Andrew Marr as 'piling on the pressure' on Johnson rather than defending him :
Raab piles pressure on Johnson to come clean over No 10 Christmas party
For me Raab's the 'retrospective' comment was with regards to police only investigating ongoing breeches of social gatherings rather than retrospective breeches. I understand that is adopted in all cases irrespective of whether it involves politicians or not.
Of course my interpretation could be based on the fact that I'm a Tory, apparently.
Of course my interpretation could be based on the fact that I’m a Tory, apparently.
It's the only possible explanation. Have you recently been kicked in the head by a horse?
retrospective breeches
Of course my interpretation could be based on the fact that I’m a Tory, apparently.
Just be thankful you weren’t called a nazi sympathiser. 😀
It’s the only possible explanation. Have you recently been kicked in the head by a horse?
Maybe the Independent's headline writer has also been kicked in the head by a horse?
I did wonder about spelling, I have the same problem with the trees and seaside environment. I won't edit though to maintain the value of your humourous reference 🙂
So much for liberal attitudes and tolerance of other people’s opinions.
I have a very low tolerance of other people's opinions when it is
"we ShoULd LeaVe thE eU becos sovrintee!"
Similar to the "opinions" of flat earthers or anti-vaxxers.
A lot of people hide behind the expression of "I'm entitled to my opinion" using it to shelter beliefs that should have been abandoned.
No, you're not entitled to your opinion. You're only entitled to what you can reasonably argue for. Saying "I believe it cos I believe it" is no better than saying Brexit means Brexit.
However, no-one can stop you from saying that Boris a a great family man, trying his best under difficult circumstances, no matter how many times he's shown that he isn't. In that sense, you're entitled to your opinion, the problem is that when you try and raise that opinion as a genuine candidate for the truth. The evidence very much points against that statement and we circle back to the inevitable point that your opinion is wrong and if you continue to hold that opinion, we're entitled to call it out as being bollocks.
Well that's certainly told me.
🙂
Jeepers Ernie I am sorry about the tory crack - it was meant to be a joke!
Ernies position on brexit carries some logic - I disagree strongly but the lefties wish to get out from the EU actually has a point behind it unlike the right wing one ( well that has a point but its not the one they tell us publicly)
No, you’re not entitled to your opinion. You’re only entitled to what you can reasonably argue for. Saying “I believe it cos I believe it” is no better than saying Brexit means Brexit.
Religion anybody?
No, you’re not entitled to your opinion.
Everyone is. And everyone should expect to find others that disagree.
Ultimately every vote come down to expressing an opinion.
I’m a Tory
No, you're not. You can stop that now.
Interesting side effect of Brexit, I’m sure there will be many more unintended consequences of giving numpties total control.
Putting the likes of Johnson and Raab in charge of the country, and the damage they cause, is probably a price worth paying for many people who wanted to reduce immigration and tear up agreements with neighbouring countries. I don't understand those people, but perhaps they have a long view for the UK that I still can't comprehend.
Everyone is. And everyone should expect to find others that disagree.
OK to clarify on that point a bit.
"Opinion” ranges from tastes or preferences, through views about matters that concern most people such as politics, to views grounded in technical expertise, such as scientific opinions.
You can’t really argue about the first kind of opinion. I wouldn't say that you’re wrong to prefer one food to another or think that a particular film is good. That's very subjective and I'd happily hear your views on music or art or cinema - I might disagree with some of them as you might disagree with mine but it doesn't really affect much.
The problem is that sometimes we implicitly seem to take opinions of the second and even the third sort to be unarguable in the way questions of taste are. So yes, you're entitled to say that Boris is a genius or anti-vaxxers are onto something but you can't expect to have your opinions respected when they're at odds with the mountain of evidence that says otherwise.
However if someone says "yes I voted for Brexit because I believed the bus slogan but now I realise it was all a bunch of lies" then that's a bit different, that's a previous opinion / belief that has been overruled by the evidence to say that yes, it was all a bunch of lies.
Religion anybody?
Religion isn't an opinion, it's a dogmatic belief system and since there's little evidence either way to prove or disprove the existence of God (or whatever your supreme being is called), if it's going to fall anywhere within the above three categories, it's probably primarily in the first list as being a question of taste (mixed in with external factors such as how and where you were brought up).
He looks like a tooled up smurf!
Well… we got the answer to the question on who was next for the ‘hard man’ photo op after Liz in a tank and Rishi with the Gurkhas
That's embarrassing. Even Liz Truss looked more convincing than he does in that photo. Shit, reminds me of the guy I went to AFG with the last time. Ate ice cream with every meal and had trouble putting his body armour on when we left.
That photo is real? **** me..
Those photos look like something cooked up by Cold War Steve , but more ridiculous.
The state of this..
You now he does it on purpose to wind up folks like you, though right? It's a big joke, how the right wing press will go at people like Corbyn or Michael Foot for "looking like a tramp" but wilfully ignore the fact that Johnson always looks like he slept on the sofa in the same clothes.
Line of duty sequel anyone
https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1467855644149665795?t=VyHxIMwJi8BBtkFUN0JQ8w&s=19
Ultimately every vote come down to expressing an opinion.
Opinions are like a’holes everyone’s got one 🙂
I’m not entirely sure that BJ does do it to wind people up,perhaps he really is shot away.
But your right, remember the two left shoes slagging off of Dianne Abbot..
Opinions are like a’holes everyone’s got one
Actually you can end up with no arsehole if you have certain things go badly wrong with your insides.
Actually you can end up with no arsehole if you have certain things go badly wrong with your insides.
And yet something has gone badly wrong with the insides of the UK and we have a proliferation of arseholes.
Can't even get that right.
I’d love it if Boris came out on a shift with me. I’d put him on a locus guard in the middle of Knoydart. Without a chair.
No, you’re not entitled to your opinion. You’re only entitled to what you can reasonably argue for.
That's a very dangerous and dictatorial position. You can think what you like, if it doesn't break the law.
You can't ram it down other people's throats though. And if you can't produce any evidence to support it you should have the self awareness to shut the **** up.
The hat is deliberate, we’ve seen him wear them that way many times before, it’s his outdoor version of carefully messing up his hair. How much of the whole look is deliberate I’m unsure. I mean, many have claimed the ill fitting suits are deliberate as well, and I can believe that… but is he really trying to look like…Hobocop!?
https://twitter.com/dempster2000/status/1467918332955402253?s=21
He looks like a tool
ed up smurf!
Fixed that for you Binners 😉
genuine LOL @ Hobocop 😀
Hobocop
Carrying a fair bit of weight for a hobo.
Dildocop perhaps?
I'm not sure that it is the role of a news channel to scream outrage but it is certainly the role of the Opposition.
Make the laws… and then make sure you can overrule judgements when you can’t even stick to the laws you make…
I do wonder how much our history as a Monarchy helps people accept this as “democracy”. Johnson wants to rule as if King.
Anyway, party, what party…?
https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1468285179919749120?s=21
I don't know why they don't just pack the Supreme Court with political appointees, it seems to work fine for Poland and the United States.
Anyway Hobocop has investigated the party and is satisfied no rules were broken.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59563762
Good enough for me. I'm sure he wouldn't lie. Oh wait.
It's not going away the crimbo party story.... wonder if it will lose them votes in the shropshire by-election.
I don’t know why they don’t just pack the Supreme Court with political appointees, it seems to work fine for Poland and the United States.
doesn't always go as you think even then, Roe vs Wade was pass 7-2 with a right majority court. And Trump appointees told him to go and do one.
You can be as corrupt as you like but hell hath no fury like a cancelled Christmas cheese and wine evening
Bet you he's wishing he'd saved dressing up like a cop and making up a drugs policy on the hoof for tomorrow morning's paper now.
Now that Johnson has officially denied it, it suddenly seems quite likely that he did intervening in this
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1468192931664351232?t=lr18GsfJmZuQaqtRKeE0pA&s=19
oops
You can be as corrupt as you like but hell hath no fury like a cancelled Christmas cheese and wine evening
That picture of gav
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1468326524638142472?t=129j8jJIqDAEvlZSpcyMJQ&s=19
This seems to be the first time dirt has stuck and once it starts to sr=tick there is going to be a never ending stream of muck. covid contracts is also getting traction but the parties in number 10 seems to have really stuck - especially whenthey lie and its an easily disproved lie as journalists were in attendance to at least one of the parties
this has an end of Major feel to it to me
If this was a BBC scoop Nadine Dorries would be apoplectic
Also
https://twitter.com/imacelebrity/status/1468329208749465606?t=k90xc6bexgPsQ4bQ1RsrvA&s=19
https://twitter.com/teresadee62/status/1467655446668496898?t=-kyqgGsPK9WIIxL62pF8rA&s=19
this has an end of Major feel to it to me
Yeah.
I wasn't convinced more recently but eventually this is heading for a House of Cards scenario.
can't be long before He gets that phone call from the Dirty Digger... "Tomorrows Sun will be running with PM fiddled while Rome burned"
I sent this picture to failing grayling asking him to think before leaping to the defence of those at the party.
Send it to your Tory scum bag mp.
No 10 still denying it TONIGHT!
Good, the more they deny it now, the more damage it does them.
Utter f****.
Edit: There was an utter feeding frenzy about it on ITV just them, anyone see that??