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Yes binners, Johnson's laziness is well-known, going back to the days of when he was London Mayor.
However being lazy isn't the same as being an idiot, and you would have to be an, well, idiot, to think that.
By any benchmark, that’s pretty ****ing ‘special’
Oh there's almost no pretence now that they know what they're doing, it's just papering over the cracks, dead-catting and playing the blame game.
Very few people ever truly wanted Brexit, very few in Government knew what to do once the vote had happened and ever since then the Conservative Party has been in the turmoil of argument with itself over what it meant. It's a massive school bullying contest which has unfortunately spiraled a bit out of control into the streets.
Problem is that the school bullies might have been OK in the playground but now they're out in the real world which they have no understanding of, no compassion for and no idea of what to do next. In the school playground, they might have been quite clever with a few Latin phrases and some witty turn of phrase but now their actual intelligence has been found woefully lacking. That article from IDS on the previous page for example - WTAF?!
Boris is the same and either he's too thick to see he's out of his depth or he knows it full well and is just laying the blame around a little bit. It's why thick people and "yes-men" always thrive under bad managers. They'll nod along and support the manager, even as the company goes bankrupt whereas a clever person would tell the manager that what they're doing is terrible.
Boris cheerleader? Get over yourself man. The point is that Boris won’t be beaten while his supposed ‘opponents’ persist with this outdated fantasy charicature. Your silly pantomime villain analysis will only result in one thing - more Boris.
However being lazy isn’t the same as being an idiot
It is when the end result is the same for the rest of us. Whether he’s leading us towards economic catastrophe through stupidity or laziness is pretty much a moot point
For what it’s worth I think he’s both lazy and stupid
By the time he’s done, it could take decades for the grown ups to sort out the mess he leaves in his wake
Making trading intentionally harder with your nearest neighbour is stupid enough, starting a full scale trade war with them is out and out idiocy
But perhaps you could reflect on comment that “so many lefties” defend Johnson?
I have and I'm still no further towards enlightenment.
The looking glass is well behind me though.
Why are so many lefties so keen to defend BloJo?
Who's defending him? I can't speak for anyone else but I'm simply challenging the flawed analysis that he's either a rightwing thatcherite idealogue and/or an idiot. He's clearly neither. He's said himself he's a 'brexity Michael Heseltine'. If we're to take him at his word (as nickc suggest on the previous page) then that means he's almost the very opposite of what binners et al say he is.
It may be comforting for the centrist labour establishment supporters on here to tell themselves that Boris is some evil rightwing ogre who will eventually be exposed and the voters will come flocking back to a sensible and 'credible' labour party, but that's not going to happen. Boris and his backers are way ahead, and they need to be given some respect if they're to be deposed.
For what it’s worth I think he’s both lazy and stupid
Well I always value your opinions binners. Perhaps then you could explain why Eton College felt it appropriate to give a scholarship to a lazy stupid Boris Johnson?
Was it because Eton College was worried that they might appear to be too elite if the general academic standard was too high?
Or are you suggesting that Johnson managed to fool them?
He’s said himself he’s a ‘brexity Michael Heseltine’.
https://twitter.com/JuneDey1/status/1447136756890017793?s=20
Or are you suggesting that Johnson managed to fool them?
Fooling people? The one ability, along with his shameless opportunism, that he seems to possess in abundance
Perhaps Michael Heselstine thinks that Johnson is lazy? He won't be the only one.
Fooling people? The one ability, along with his shameless opportunism, that he seems to possess in abundance
So you think Boris Johnson managed to fool Eton College into giving him a scholarship?
That's quite an achievement for someone who is both stupid and an idiot.
Or am I about to be told that all the academic staff at Eton are also idiots?
Did he have a scholarship? I thought he just did the usual paying to get in.
there are different sorts of intelligence and Johnson is lacking in them all - he really is not a clever chap at all.
He is PM because he is a useful idiot and frontman for the interests driving brexit. He is not there because of his ability.
This is turning into a real turd of a thread
He won’t be the only one.
Agreed. Lazy, untrustworthy, selfish, dangerous, and uncaring… but far from stupid.
It matters not that he was crammed to get a scholarship - its obvious he is really not that clever. He may be capable of retaining facts but memory is not intelligence. OK he is not properly dim but he is not a clever man either. He is dimwitted, overeducated and does not understand his own limitations
Ernie - I am really surprised at you being taken in by his act
"Boris Johnson, people always ask me the same question, they say, 'Is Boris a very very clever man pretending to be an idiot?' And I always say, 'No.'"
Ian Hislop
Ernie – I am really surprised at you being taken in by his act
In what way.......in that I don't think he is an idiot?
I have no idea how intelligent Johnson is, nor do I care, but what I am certain of is that he isn't an idiot.
You don't win a scholarship to Eton and end up Prime Minister if you are an idiot.
Perhaps someone with average intelligence could achieve that but I am confident that an idiot couldn't.
My understanding of an idiot is someone who is below average intelligence. Perhaps you have a different definition and for you an idiot is someone who you disagree with. In which case this could explain any confusion.
JOhnson is barely of average inteligence IMO. He is not PM on merit - he is PM because he is a useful idiot to the powers behind him
Johnson got his scholarship off the back of attending a £30k a year prep school
The scholarship only covered half the Eton fees, so the other £25k...
He is the perfect example of privelege & wealth over intelligence or capability
We're all through the looking glass if Ernie is now saying you get to Eton & becomr PM through ones own wit & not a metric ****ton of cash & entitlement
if Ernie is now saying ...
To be fair it doesn't really matter what l say, it will still be twisted to claim I'm saying things which I am obviously not saying.
From Nick suggesting that I see Johnson as "a towering intellect" to you suggesting that I don't understand how a privileged upbringing brings better education and life chances.
Edit :
The scholarship only covered half the Eton fees, so the other £25k…
I am intrigued to learn why Eton College decided to give a 50% discount to an idiot?
I think I would call Boris "book smart" hence the Latin and attempts at biography penning etc.
The intelligence is evidenced in the inability to place that knowledge into context or the ability to apply it in a productive way, crucially. Hence the use of dramatics and gags etc.
Yeah, that's how I see him I think.
I’m struggling to think of another politician who’d embark on something so spectacularly stupid at this particular point in time
The obvious flaw in your thinking is it depends on what that politicians priorities are. You seem to be assuming its the overall good of the country?
Having a nice nearby enemy to point people at is a time tested and successful (at least for a time) plan for any unscrupulous leader.
he is PM because he is a useful idiot to the powers behind him
No he’s a conscious collaborator and fully aware of his role in maintaining power for his supporters. Brexit is a long term project, and it was always obvious that once we left the EU the tories would have to do some very un-Tory things in the immediate aftermath. Covid amplified that and gave them cover, but don’t be under any illusion that Johnson doesn’t understand his role. He’s the friendly face of the American hedge funds and health industry who are planning 10-20 years ahead while the thatcherites want revolution now. Like Trump he only wants popularity, and has no problem doing whatever it takes to achieve that.
Johnson got his scholarship off the back of attending a £30k a year prep school
The scholarship only covered half the Eton fees, so the other £25k…
Well in his day, prep school fees would be less than £1,500 per annum and Eton would have been less than £2,000. School fee inflation makes house price inflation look positively benign. Eton scholars need to be able to apply knowledge, you can't get a scholarship by rote learning - there are no set texts. They are highly competitive and you need to be very bright to get one, even one of the lesser ones. The guy who got the top scholarship in Johnson's year was at my junior school and he was a superstar.
So Kwasi Kwarteng all over the news this morning talking about subsidies for industry to deal with energy crisis and maintaining the price cap to protect consumers. Thatcherite my arse!
Said it before the new game in politics is retention of power, hence the current socialist tory party approach.
Its closer to I'm a celebrity than government, Boris wanted the badge of office nothing more and his only political effort is in keeping his other half happy by his born again tree hugging other wise his shag schedule will get cancelled.
There is no grand plan with Boris other than his financial exit plan
Please don't over think the man.
There is no grand plan with Boris other than his financial exit plan
Exactly. He’s “not stupid” as in he can get exactly what he wants for himself. He can’t deliver for the UK though. He might be able to write in a way that engages many people about the problems ahead for us (many of his own making), and can deliver those words bounding with enthusiasm, but he has no idea whatsoever how to govern this country, and the mess he will leave behind is only now starting to become clear. He’ll bluster and distract through every self made blunder and crisis right up to, and past, the next election. That takes a smart mind. He’s smart enough to win and keep power. When he finally leaves, they money will start flowing in (to his pockets).
I completely agree that Johnson is driven by personal ambition, and his overinflated ego, not any sort of ideological commitment other his own self-aggrandisement.
It is not something which I find particularly shocking or concerning, unlike some people my expectations of Conservative Party leaders is extremely low.
What I do find truly shocking and concerning, however, is that the leader of the opposition Labour Party appears to driven by exactly the same goals - personal ambition and self-aggrandisement. I have no doubt whatsoever that Keir Starmer desperately wants to be Prime Minister, but only to satisfy his ego, there is no ideological commitment to anything other than himself.
I expect and demand that Labour Party leaders be utterly different to Tory Party leaders. And when they fall to be that's what I find truly tragic.
Exactly. He’s “not stupid” as in he can get exactly what he wants for himself. He can’t deliver for the UK though
He doesn’t need to and I doubt he really tries or cares, once he leaves office he’s back to writing and the big bucks as opposed to slumming it and he doesn’t have to live here.
It’s game show Britain and he’s street savvy to the proles, he understands the media and perception vs reality and knows how to play the game.
Once a bullingdon boy always a bullingdon boy.
What I do find truly shocking and concerning, however, is that the leader of the opposition Labour Party appears to driven by exactly the same goals – personal ambition and self-aggrandisement. I have no doubt whatsoever that Keir Starmer desperately wants to be Prime Minister, but only to satisfy his ego, there is no ideological commitment to anything other than himself.
Now I don't get that impression from Starmer - think he's desperate to get Labour in power and will needlessly sell his soul and their principles to do so, but not seeing him as a Johnson style megalomaniac.
Typically anyone that gets to the top position (PM/head of government, CEO of company etc,.) has massive ego and personality disorder issues. Starmer doesn't seem as bad as most though but will still have it
(Obvious exception was Corbyn who got there by accident)
The guy who got the top scholarship in Johnson’s year was at my junior school and he was a superstar.
Out of interest, what is he doing now?
Starmer doesn’t seem as bad
And that, tragically, is the best that you are likely to get...... not as bad.
My opinion of Johnson is so low that I want anyone who replaces him to be utterly different.
If you think not as bad is good enough then presumably Johnson just needs to tweak a few things here and there.
I expect and demand that Labour Party leaders be utterly different to Tory Party leaders. And when they fall to be that’s what I find truly tragic.
Two problems there.
First is that Labour is struggling to work out what it's there for, it's position on national policies (which isn't helped by their previous backing of Brexit) and it's riven by internal politics and infighting - some of it played up by the right wing media undoubtedly.
Second is that left-wing is traditionally based on statistics and reasoning and logic while right-wing appeals to emotions and when reasoning meets emotions, the emotions always win. People don't want to hear measured debate based on sound logic, they want a bombastic speech about Britain being great, Two World Wars and One World Cup, stiff upper lip.
Johnson knows this - in the same way that Trump used exactly that tactic to appeal to his base audience - and it's why he can churn out these empty speeches full of lies, say that the big bad EU are trying to stop Great Britain become Even Greater, put a flag on something and then sod off for 2 weeks.
Starter knows he needs to go that way but it's completely against his nature to do so.
perhaps he's gone to Marbella for violin lessons ?
Intelligence or being 'grown up' is pretty well irrelevant (as well as implying a technocratic gerontocracy). I'm sure there's been many 'clever' tories and socialists. Apparently Starmer is a 'clever' lawyer but look at the balls he's making of LOTP. Then you have the likes of Cleverly (sic) and Dorries with her tweet about 'Swass stickers', they've done well for themselves despite their alarming limitations. Gove was elected President of the Oxford Union and look what a chump he is.
It's about class alignment and who backs you and who you reward. Johnson currently maintains his position because he's 'a winner' but he'll be dumped when the time is right irrespective of his O-level grades and cod Latin.
Starter knows he needs to go that way but it’s completely against his nature to do so.
Assuming you mean Starmer, then yes, that's the impression I get
perhaps he’s gone to Marbella for violin lessons
On the fiddle, or doing some fiddling?
He’s gone to ground again the same as he does every time there’s an actual decision that needs making. Maybe he’s in a Costa Del Sol fridge somewhere
In the meantime we have the usual complete absence of leadership with ministers fighting with each other over what to do about souring energy prices for business, while ‘The Boss’ (as they apparently actually refer to the useless imbecile) orders another San Miguel and makes an inappropriate remark at a waitress
It doesn't really matter how intelligent he is, if he allows his innate laziness to trump that, then the result is the same. It could be argued that a genuinely intelligent man would realise that, without making the effort to apply his brain, he might as well not have it.
It's good to hear that school entrance exams are now a good arbiter of real world intelligence, though, and that mediocre but wealthy pupils could not possibly be prepped for them effectively. The whole point of that particular channel of paid education (prep school - public school - oxbridge) is not just to push the most talented, but to also lift up less able individuals and coat them in the veil of confidence and bullshit that sustains them in privilege and power.
Who knows whether he was too lazy to read and try to understand the implications of the Northern Ireland Protocol, or just too stupid to interpret it? It makes little difference, he remains unfit for office.
In the meantime we have the usual complete absence of leadership
From the PM binners? Yes.
From the leader of the Opposition? Yes
They make a formidable double act.
Although Johnson entertains his audience considerably more effectively.
Oh look, Boris slaps down his Thatcherite chancellor and sides with his business secretary who wants to subsidise industry.
Rishi is the new Daily Mail chosen one, that's why they've been slating Boris recently. The battle lines are being drawn.
As a coauthor of Britania unchained I'm not sure you'd call kwarteng anti-thatcherite but thus from the guardian was good :
Kwarteng told the Tory party conference in 2019: “There’s nothing [better] to convert someone from being a radical free marketeer to seeing the virtues of government action than making them an energy minister.”
What's funny is just how quickly the kwarteng Sunak row got bitchy
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1447125709747544067?t=AR9AHRD8MLNF4AwTkiJDew&s=19
Boris isn't stupid. He is not great with technical logical arguments but that's not important.
He has clearly studied rhetoric, which has ethos (reputation), pathos (passion) and logos (logic). I am not expert in it but you can see the Boris plays on pathos and some extent ethos, less in a "I am an expert" way more in a "I am a good bloke" way. You may yell that logic should win but it doesn't humans go on feeling more than anything. David Hume say we argue to a position that we have already made out mind up about. We take evidence and argue it to support our view point.
Boris concentrates on winning the emotional argument first. He get people wanting to believe, then he need minimal logical argument to back it u pas the hard part is done. People can cling to their believes and if question they have one or two broad facts to fall back on a a comfort blanket.
Failing to understand this approach help further as it plays to the idea that his detractors consider him stupid, so his detractors also consider his follower stupid. Now who is going to listen with an open mind to someone who you think thinks you are stupid? Let alone follow them.
Out of interest, what is he doing now?
CEO in the US
Failing to understand this approach help further as it plays to the idea that his detractors consider him stupid, so his detractors also consider his follower stupid.
I think you need to explain the logical steps here between the different parts. After all you could vote for an idiot if you thought they would still make decisions which suited you.
It is a widely held POV on here that Johnson is stupid and anyone who votes for Johnson/the Tories is stupid.
TheBrick makes many valid points including the one concerning the obvious difficulty of trying to win people over after dismissing them as being stupid.
I think that probably Johnson's greatest strength is that the Labour Party hasn't got a clue how to deal with him, he is constantly wrong-footing them. Whether it's criticising him for increasing taxes, talking of inflationary wage rises, or sending the party leader wallpaper shopping, they simply have no idea how to deal with him.
I think that probably Johnson’s greatest strength is that the Labour Party hasn’t got a clue how to deal with him, he is constantly wrong-footing them.
Yep. Dealing with someone who is clearly prepared to lie and bullshit their way through everything with no consequences is difficult, especially when they are the PM.
Someone as straight as Starmer doesn't have a chance as you can't deal with him by winning the argument with any logic as he will just make something else up to counter it.
Isn't that essentially how Brexit was won?
People who actually knew what they were talking about pointed out "facts" against leaving the EU (facts that are now being proven true) but its supporters lied and bullshitted (the EU need us more than we need them, they will be begging us to make a deal with them, 350 million a week on the side of a bus etc etc) their way across the line knowing they'd wriggle their way out of any of the consequences that arose by blaming someone else?
Dealing with someone who is clearly prepared to lie and bullshit their way through everything with no consequences is difficult, especially when they are the PM
...with a large majority and the backing of most mainstream media, he really does have it easy. BoJo is incompetent and whilst not stupid he's not a Machiavellian genius that some try to portray him as either. In generations past he'd have been gone long ago but the bar's been set so low now he's seen as a success
I think you need to explain the logical steps here between the different parts. After all you could vote for an idiot if you thought they would still make decisions which suited you.
ernielynch explains it well.
Of course its possible to vote for someone you think is stupid for self interest but if you for whatever reason have believed in what someone says and the some calls that person stupid, its not unreasonable to think that "if they think the person I believe is stupid, they must think I am stupid for following that person."
I feel similar about how many labour supporters talk about people who have votes tory, calling them scum etc. These are the people you are trying to attract! I am not a tory voter (Lib dem the past 10 years or so for full disclosure) but even I am put off by this attitude.
I just hope that everyone is noting that on the day that the Parliamentary report is released in to his shockingly complacent attitude to the pandemic, leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths, that the sociopathic fly-tipped sofa is on a beach, sipping cocktails
That’s how much he actually cares, perfectly summed up right there.
He literally couldn’t give a flying ****!
I’m sure that’s it’s merely a coincidence that today Lord Frost has been sent out to do a bit of Nationalist sabre-rattling and flag-waving and make a speech clearly designed to deliberately antagonise the EU
SQUIRREL!
I am not a tory voter (Lib dem the past 10 years or so for full disclosure)
all voting lib dem does is make a tory government more likely
These are the people you are trying to attract!
I am not trying to attract anyone and tories are lying scum with blood on their hands
I just hope that everyone is noting that on the day that the Parliamentary report is released in to his shockingly complacent attitude to the pandemic, leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths, that the sociopathic fly-tipped sofa is on a beach, sipping cocktails
I'm also noting how he feels he can get away with this as a result of the shocking absence of opposition from the labour leadership. I guess this is what 'effective and credible' opposition looks like. While Boris is on a beach, the labour leadership is finding new ways to bankrupt the party and fight it's own membership. You couldn't make it up.
ernielynch explains it well.
Nope he didnt. He simply, like you, announced something as fact and expected it to be expected.
When, in reality, if you bother to look at what people are writing.
The number of people calling Johnson stupid isnt an overwhelming majority. A subset are most though are going for self centred and lazy.
The number calling his supporters stupid are far lower.
The "they are calling you stupid" is the rallying cry of the hard right politicians who want to shut down any discussion about their policies and trigger emotional outrage rather than debate.
I feel similar about how many labour supporters talk about people who have votes tory, calling them scum etc.
Again you seem to generalise from a subset rather ironically in this case. Do you feel similarly outraged by Britannia unchained?
Gove was elected President of the Oxford Union and look what a chump he is.
Important to understand that the Oxford Union is a kind of mini-PMQ for egotistical toffs to practice for their careers as lifelong Tories.
Is everything that Johnson does Starmer's fault? That deflection is boring the hell out of me. In fact every political thread on this forum seems to go down this dead end. Social media does much the same. As do pub chats. Johnson has spent his entire life abdicating responsibility for his own words and deeds, and the British public are letting him do it as PM. That even people who wouldn't normally consider themselves Tories put so much effort into deflecting for him is utterly depressing. Shit doesn't stick to him... it slides off to be used as ammunition to flick at others.
Is everything that Johnson does Starmer’s fault?
It was very much Jeremy Corbyn's fault. I'm just applying the same rules. 😄
Well, that's a fun game for you. I'm bored to tears with it leaking into everything (not just from you of course). Perhaps people could save it for the Starmer thread, rather than using it to deflect from conversations about our part time PM. He's teflon coated as it is, he doesn't need help.
He’s teflon coated as it is, he doesn’t need help.
I think you overestimate my influence. If you're looking for people helping him though you'd do well to find a more willing and able candidate than the leader of the opposition and the cabal of advisors around him.
I don’t think you have any influence, but you have the power to derail and bore… if you’re not careful you’ll end up as boring as Starmer (only a joke, that isn’t possible). Let’s stick to Johnson and his ongoing record in this thread… please?
I’m also noting how he feels he can get away with this as a result of the shocking absence of opposition from the labour leadership.
I'm not saying that what Boris does is Starmers fault. I'm saying Starmer should be calling him out every single ****ing day for his lies and incompetence and the damage he has caused.
It isn't making political games out of the pandemic to point out the mistakes that were made and where money was wasted. This report today gives him the ammo
It isn't undermining the will of the people to point out how badly the Brexit process has been handled.
Starmer needs to be setting a narrative that Tory idiocy/complacency/dogma has caused all these things to be worse than they needed to be, and setting out a 20 year vision as to how Labour will put it right, rather than short term crisis management.
Cos if he doesn't, I'll vote for someone who will
but you have the power to derail and bore…
Oh I don't know, I reckon it's pretty amusing seeing all the shit flung at Corbyn by the centrist idiots being even more applicable to Starmer and his merry band of party destroyers. It's all very well wanting to focus on Johnson's shortcomings, but you can't really do that without considering those who enable him, and right now the labour leadership are playing that role very effectively.
I think that probably Johnson’s greatest strength is that the Labour Party hasn’t got a clue how to deal with him, he is constantly wrong-footing them. Whether it’s criticising him for increasing taxes, talking of inflationary wage rises, or sending the party leader wallpaper shopping, they simply have no idea how to deal with him.
They need to invent their own Boris.....
A media savvy Celeb...whose popular with Joe public.
You've got to play him at his own game...people are easily bought with cheap promises.
Easy as that, eh.
It's Catch 22 - we need a leader who wants to do 'the right thing' and be decent and fair to as many people as possible. No way in the world will those behind the scenes in the media allow anyone like that into a position of power.
Someone as straight as Starmer doesn’t have a chance
Genuinely made me chuckle! 😊
As did this :
The number calling his supporters stupid are far lower.
You obviously haven't spent much time on the political threads dissonance.
One of the reasons I find political threads on stw interesting is that it provides me with a window into the mindset of affluent middle-class liberals, the very people who have hijacked the Labour Party.
I never cease to be struck by the disgust and contempt expressed towards the lower-classes who vote incorrectly.
Obviously I am generalising and extreme examples such as dannyh might not be totally typical, but there is a clearly dismissive attitude towards who are considered stupid for voting incorrectly.
Middle class voters were more likely to vote for Johnson, and his Conservative MPs, than the “lower classes”. And more likely to vote. You can’t hang “votes Tory” around the neck of the “lower classes” any more than the classes “above” them… in fact less so. Older middle class voters are Johnson’s key demographic, still. Some people misunderstand “The North” and as a consequence are too quick to paint the people that swung the vote in Johnson’s new seats as the “lower classes”. Criticising people for supporting Johnson isn’t an attack on the “lower classes”… it is questioning the motives of people of all classes, and mostly the middle class outside our cities.
One of the reasons I find political threads on stw interesting is that it provides me with a window into the mindset of affluent middle-class liberals, the very people who have hijacked the Labour Party.
OK then, so what it is about the Tory party, predominantly privately schooled and funded by venture capitalists and oligarchs that appeals to people like you? How does “owning the libs” get us out of this situation?
that appeals to people like you?
What an odd post! 😀
And Kelvin misses the point!
Did you not notice the word "liberal" in middle-class liberals?
Did you also not notice "who vote incorrectly" in lower-classes who vote incorrectly?
Yes middle-class people often vote Tory, however middle-class liberals less so.
And not everyone who is lower-class votes incorrectly, for stw.
Yes middle-class people often vote Tory, however middle-class liberals less so.
You want liberals to vote for Johnson?
Where do we working class liberals fit into this?
Assuming you mean a liberal to be someone who wants a fairer country, less discrimination, that sort of thing.
OK then, so what it is about the Tory party, predominantly privately schooled and funded by venture capitalists and oligarchs that appeals to people like you?
I assume that when you say people like me you mean people who aren't affluent middle-class and liberal?
Well that is a very good question. As I have said before I suspect not dismissing them as stupid racists and automatically assuming that no matter what they will vote for you probably plays a part.
You want liberals to vote for Johnson?
Yeah I thought that engaging with you was probably not a good idea Kelvin. I should have gone with my instinct but decided instead to give you the benefit of the doubt.
What is your point? I’ll buy a pint for anyone else that can untangle it…
Middle class voters were more likely to vote for Johnson
Actually Johnson's lead in the 2019 election over Labour was greater among C2DE voters (15%) than among ABC1 ones (10%).
My figures are based on the big yougov post election survey which is likely to be a far better reflection.
Fair enough. BP vote being shown there is interesting as well.
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ipsos reporting by year is pretty enlightening…
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