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He is absolutely shameless.
My mate Paul, who's a teacher, pointing out the obvious message that this sends out to bullies from the Prime Minister
https://twitter.com/teacherwriterPJ/status/1329776750084169728?s=20
And here is my lickspittle tory MP defending Priti (in between re-tweeting anything about Corbyn to keep the faithful happy):
https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
As he is a special breed of ex-kipper tory, I am hoping he is feeling a bit conflicted...
so let me get this straight...”she’s too stupid to realise that she was/is a bully, so I’m going to let her off” is the explanation Boris's going with...
Fabulous
The times when Government gave any sort of pretence at governing for the people has long gone.
Basically anything goes: ride roughshod over scrutiny, legal matters (unless you're trying to find a legal loophole to exploit for your own gain), tell barefaced lies.
Not even trying to hide the corruption and cronyism, it's just beyond belief. This is the kind of thing you look at in some backwater nation with a GDP of about 1/100th that of the UK. Although the way the UK is going, we'll soon have a GDP about 1/100th of what we used to have...
TBH, throwing money around in a massive stimulus package will be exactly the right thing to do, once we stop making an arse of covid and once we stop destroying jobs with brexit. Any day now i'm sure.
(the green package though, the bits I've looked at are a farce. Like, the "new money" for the national parks is less than has already been taken out of their budget under the last tory governments. That's even assuming it's all delivered in one go, which I doubt it will be- more likely it'll be "over 10 years" or whatever.)
willard
Full MemberExcept it is bullshit. This is the MoD and the Navy we are talking about here. They built a 21st century air defense frigate that was ridiculously expensive and stopped working in warm water (like The Gulf). I think they are still being fixed and that only adds to the half billion pound price-tag they had.
British/English exceptionalism again isn't it- we can't build warships and have an army that's suitable for a country of our size, that'd be unthinkable... We have to have the most expensive projects <Clarkson voice> IN THE WORLD, aircraft carriers, the "world's best air defence ship", Type 26 frigates which are so over the top and so complicated that few of the supposed customers for it even considered it and that we cut the fleet size by half so we could afford them, a Trident replacement which will never do anything and which will cost more than anyone will admit, to replace Trident which never did anything and which cost more than anyone will admit...
What we could actually do with, is some more fisheries protection and other inshore patrol vessels, but the PM can't get erect over mere River classes and under. And admitting we need more of this sort of thing and we don't have them would be a criticism of the glorious brexit after all.
Same with nuclear, same with damn nearly everything else, if it's not too big and too expensive for us then it's not worth doing.
Speaking to some Tory voting public sector workers today after they announced the pay freeze and all I got from them was that it was "for the greater good"....no understanding of economics...no idea just how many of us in the private sector earn obscene wages.... all I could think about was this....
Same with nuclear, same with damn nearly everything else, if it’s not too big and too expensive for us then it’s not worth doing.
Transport.
Boring old buses and trains - not interested (BJ got interested for a short time in bendy buses which were shit).
Boris Island Airports, Garden Bridges, cable car - absolutely, let's spaff money against the wall for those. Getting a basic train service though, forget it.
There's a whole load of rhetoric at the moment about levelling up the North - which has a transport infrastructure at least 30 years behind that in London and the SE - and then it comes to Covid and they can't even point to Wigan on a map.
The preferred network for Northern Powerhouse Rail is going through at the moment and you just know that what is put in front of Government (about £40bn) is going to get half of that, bits of line cancelled or abandoned or watered down to little more than the current levels and still be delivered 15 years late.
BJ did however stand in front of a train in Manchester while wearing a hard hat and say "Northern Powerhouse" a lot so I assume he thinks it's all sorted now.
Went in to work this morning to the headlines on public sector pay freeze, came out to find it's ok for ministers to bully us.
You were happy enough to spend 5 minutes clapping us on a Thursday night along with other key workers, but that's **** all use in the real world Boris. It wasn't Ministers who kept the NHS running during its biggest ever crisis, or kept schools open for key workers children, or delivered the furlough scheme.
You shambling hypocritical chancer.
The Tory's are, I'm sure, quietly contented that the pandemic and Brexit is going to provide them with mass unemployment. All the better to push down wages.
Next year is going to be just like the 1980's
Something to look forward to. It was great first time, particularly living in the North
Thing is, my wages and the wages of certain other industries are ****ing sky rocketing - I've never been in more in demand. I'm starting to feel dirty like I'm part of some Tory club now....and yet when I try and tell people I know who are public sector workers that the Tories are ****ing them whilst some of us (including me) run off with all the ****ing money, they don't want to hear.
Then I get exasperated and consider going full mercenary and voting tory myself, might as well try and keep all the cash to myself if public money is going to be pissed up the wall on a no deal brexit.
I don't get it, I've always thought humans had a tendency towards irrational emotionally driven behaviour but I didn't realise just how endemic it was. The midlands and the North have gone rapidly downhill since I moved down south in 2008, when I left it felt like there was a new level of affluence up and down the country. The 90's had felt really poor in comparison, now I've returned it feels worse than it did in the 90s growing up. Instead of maybe 1/10 of the population looking downtrodden and dishevelled it's 1/4 and the amount of homeless people seems to have increased exponentially.
Thing is, my wages and the wages of certain other industries are * sky rocketing
I'd say you're lucky enough to be the exception, not the rule.
The industry I work in (or did do, pre-covid, when there was some actual work) is now utterly and completely *ed. Its all but ceased to exist. Most of the staff in the industry are freelancers who didn't qualify for furlough or any government support, so a lot have had no income since March.
I've seen freelance jobs being openly advertised at minimum wage. This is for something where people generally expect a degree-level qualification. There will be plenty who are so desperate now that they'll have no option but to take that.
I'd imagine, come next year, once you throw Brexit into the mix, there are going to be plenty more sectors in exactly the same position.
I really do think (in the north, at least) we're going to be looking at a re-run of the 1980's under the Tories, and a lot of them will be relishing that prospect
I’d say you’re lucky enough to be the exception, not the rule.
That's what I'm getting at.
The instability and the Tories/Dominic cummings spaffing money at certain private companies for public projects has been an absolute boon for me.
I'd grab it while you can fella. They certainly will.
I'm dreading next year under these bastards. They're going to crucify us. Again.
I just still can't believe they got so many people up here to vote for it.
Turkeys... christmas....
So today we add to the list with the Priti Patel decision:
Breaking lockdown laws, fine
Handing vast sums to mates' companies with no oversight, fine
Taking backhanders for development decisions, fine
Bullying, fine
What a great example to the country.
FFS another freeze on public sector workers, I'm still waiting on the 'cost of living' one I was supposed to get in August 2019 which was going to be less than 1.5% at that point. So I got sweet FA then, I'm getting sweet FA now and nothing to make up for the bit in between when there wasn't a financial crisis but we still had inflation. Anyone else noticed the cost of normal goods hasn't gone down?
In the meantime I've now got more work than ever, a massive new project on the horizon, no extra staff to work on it and wages that are falling even further behind private sector so we can't compete to employ people.
We are entering The Second Age of Austerity.
This'll make the first ideological purge seem like a picnic on a fine summer's day.
Boris Johnson's actual words on the MPs WhatsApp group...
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1329751236074237952?s=20
'The Prittster'? Christ on a *ing bendybus, I despise these *s!!
‘The Prittster’?
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She's certainly sticking around.
I wouldn't call her safe and solvent free though...
Love the "form a square" reference, definitely on brand with current rose tinted days of empire and military spending thinking.
All the Tories will be watching Zulu tonight no doubt.
News thump on form today with this take on it
School bully unintentionally takes dinner money from five pupils and punches another
Ahem... Rorkes Drift wasn't a square... they would need to watch Waterloo... or the 28th regiment at quatre bras...
I know pedantic...
I never thought there'd be a time when I'd be pointing out how right Gavin Williamson was.
Nice to see the victim-blaming and 'woke left' conspiracy theories from the Tory MPs who heeded the 'form a square around the Prittster' call.
Jeez I hadn't realised it was anti-bullying week. This government really are beyond satire. :-/
They’re trolling us
The non-apology is as hard-faced as it gets. I’m sorry if you interpreted me shouting and swearing and belittling you as bullying, I was just being hard-working
The jury have come back with a guilty verdict so we've jailed the jury. British justice, envy of the world
oldmanmtb2
Free Member
Ahem… Rorkes Drift wasn’t a square… they would need to watch Waterloo… or the 28th regiment at quatre bras…I know pedantic…
It's ok, in a pedant too.Lol It did occur to me that they didn't form a square there but it was the first film of empire that came to mind.
I’m sorry if you interpreted me shouting and swearing and belittling you as bullying, I was just being hard-working
If there is any justice in the world she will 'get hers' at some point, like most bullies do.
Perhaps one of her victims will just chin her.
But the PM says that she didn’t bully anyone. Caesar has spoken. His word is truth no matter what the evidence, report, findings… etc.
👍🏼👎🏼
According to the Tory MP’s rushing to defend her, she was just ‘being direct’ as she was frustrated.
So if we all get frustrated with someone in work then it’s fair game to shout and swear at them, and that’s all fine.
Righto
Only if the PM has your back. Your past pronouncements about him suggest to me that he might not be willing to make wrong right, and lies truth, for you.
As for no-one telling patel that her behaviour was unacceptable, interesting that Philip Rutnam is, effectively, calling her a liar...
Issuing a statement exclusively to the BBC, he says: "As early as August 2019, the month after her appointment, she was advised that she must not shout and swear at staff.
"I advised her on a number of further occasions between September 2019 and February 2020 about the need to treat staff with respect."
So much for government being held to a higher standard; complete bollocks - a different standard, certainly.
What about patel having any self-awareness; you know, asking herself if it's acceptable to shout and swear at staff.
Further confirmation, if any was need, that johnson and his polyps are arrogant, ignorant, self-serving hypocrites - that's a polite description.
Have any of the Ministerial Code five deadly sins NOT been broken since the foreword by the PM was published in August?
There must be no bullying and no harassment; no leaking; no breach of collective responsibility. No misuse of taxpayer money and no actual or perceived conflicts of interest. The precious principles of public life enshrined in this document – integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest – must be honoured at all times; as must the political impartiality of our much admired civil service.
Boris is ever-dependable. In that whatever he clearly states one day, can be discarded in a heartbeat when it no longer suits him.
This is usually when rules that he has made are then expected to be applied to him and his mates.
Cummings and Jenrick being two other recent examples
Rules, like taxes, are apparently only for the little people
Have any of the Ministerial Code five deadly sins NOT been broken since the foreword by the PM was published in August?
Yeah, but he didn't mean a single word of it. He probably doesn't remember it either, as he was most likely pissed when it was drafted for him.
Lies, lies, lies.
So she wasn’t aware that her behaviour was bullying cos she wasn’t told? If you need to be told that shouting and swearing isn’t acceptable then you’re not really cut out to hold that position. Oh, hold on this is the Tory cabinet we’re discussing.
Id’d like Starmer to start PMQs with the most viscous foul mouthed rant at Boris. When challenged he should just say “Sorry, didn’t think that would be seen as bullying” and leave PMQs at that.
So she wasn’t aware that her behaviour was bullying cos she wasn’t told?
Well its not like she is home secretary and hence in charge of a legal system which works on the notion that ignorance of a law is no defence.
Oh
She was told. She wasn’t told directly by those she bullied, because they complained using the appropriate channels. She was then told by people more senior in the civil service than those she bullied to change her behaviour… some of whom than had their careers ruined by her. Would you complain direct to her, with a rep like that? Hell no.
Seems to me that patel's behaviour could accurately described as harassment...
it’s harassment where the behaviour is meant to or has the effect of either:
- violating your dignity
- creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment.
This means it’s harassment even if the person harassing you didn’t mean to offend or intimidate you, as long as the harassment has one of the above effects.
Harassment is unwanted behaviour which you find offensive or which makes you feel intimidated or humiliated. It can happen on its own or alongside other forms of discrimination.
Unwanted behaviour could be:
-spoken or written words or abuse
- offensive emails, tweets or comments on social networking sites
- images and graffiti
- physical gestures
- facial expressions
- jokes
You don’t need to have previously objected to something for it to be unwanted.
Rotten ****s.
My job is ‘secure’, I earn a decent private sector wage but irrespective of all that my conscience is clear. No way I’d vote for these contemptuous ****s in a million years.
80 seat majority
He doesn't give a shit, none of them do
Would you complain direct to her, with a rep like that? Hell no.
yeah the two times I would complain to someone directly is either if I really didnt give a toss about my career (I did walk out on one interview when the person was being a ****. Not sure whether it was just them being normal or seeing how I would "handle pressure" but decided I couldnt be arsed risking spending several years with them and pointed that out to them before exiting) or I really thought it was just an accidental, inadvertent personality clash and they would feel crappy they had come across how they did.
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I know a couple of people who were pretty senior in the party and are still involved in the background. In the past they’ve been very supportive of Johnson irrespective of what he’s done. That support is noticeably waning now and has been for the last couple of months. I suspect Johnson may not see out 2021 as PM.
JP
Isn't the current thinking that he'll barely see 2020 out as pm?
Although, maybe too much of a useful idiot and will take the flak until the meltdown is almost complete, perhaps...
Please tell me the gammons wouldn’t be able to vote for someone with this vile person’s surname.
Another day.
Another pile of steaming Johnson.
Johnson won’t see out January. But he’ll be made to carry the can for the shitstorm of Brexit first.
Whoever follows him will somewhat amazingly be even worse.
The hang’em and flog’em Tory grassroots absolutely bloody love ‘The Prittster’ for a start, as she echoes their own small-minded nastiness back at them, so she’s definitely in the frame
Depressing to even consider which **** they'd choose to replace him.
Heart wants them to pick Gove as he's perhaps the least electable, head says it'll be Sunak - but he might be too smart to go for it this time round.
Would have said Patel was too nasty and too dirty, but nobody knows anything any more, eh?
Radio4 dial in listener thing this afternoon whilst tinkering the car nearly had me smashing the radio to bits with the amount of gammons ringing in support of fit face/fat arse.
The hang’em and flog’em Tory grassroots absolutely bloody love ‘The Prittster’ for a start, as she echoes their own small-minded nastiness back at them, so she’s definitely in the frame
Yep. As they piously pontificate to the rest of us about hard work and thrift whilst living off of gold plated pensions having worked for barely 50% of their lives.
Hypocrisy is the core value here.
Another scathing yet entertaining description that The Guardian manages so well.
Love the line “lapse of competence” 🤣
Boris doing PMQ's via Zoom link is reminiscent of an ISIS hostage video.
It's about as animated and inspiring. All he needs is an orange jumpsuit. I'm just waiting for him to state that his captors are treating him well
It's unbelievable just how bad he is. He seems to get worse every week. It's like he knows he's on borrowed time, he's waiting for the knife between the shoulder blades and he just can't really be arsed any more.
Aaaaah... erm.... mumble mumble...... aaaah... erm.... mumble mumble...... aaaah... erm.... mumble mumble......erm.... erm.... aaah.....wiffle-waffle..... aaaah... erm.... mumble mumble......
Shredded again at PMQs; loved the way Starmer took him through the code of conduct, point by point, and humiliated him question by question.
I'm also really enjoying the speaker cutting him short and refusing him to allow his continued blathering.
He truly is incompetent.
^^^^
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is sat on a 80 seat majority.
Jesus wept. How low have we stooped?
I really enjoyed seeing Starmer tear into Boris this week, seemed at point 2 Boris was waving a white flag.
God Boris is awful, how people thought this guy could run a country is beyond me. He never comes out looking good against Starmer but this one was painful to watch.
because as noted many times by many sources - people don't think
Re PMQs. I came away impressed with starmers unflappability, every time Johnson gave a non answer you knew after 5-10 seconds of blather he'd then do whatabouttery to round his pitiful 'answer'. Every time. Every f ing time. It had me shouting at my computer screen and quivering with rage. But Starmer just had a look of disdainful 'not bovvered' on his face
Despite his faults, and refusal to take elocution lessons to mitigate his nasally voice, I was impressed.....and disgusted with Johnson. I hate him so much. And that leaked 'prittster' WhatsApp message had me cringing in a way that's probably unhealthy
really enjoyed seeing Starmer tear into Boris this week, seemed at point 2 Boris was waving a white flag.
I still think an Ed miliband, fired up with righteous anger, has more effect and, forgive me, 'cut through'. Starmer's dissection of Johnson is like a QC taking apart a litigant-in-person whereas miliband was like an educated everyman humiliating a stuck up bumbling fool. But, Johnson's whatabouttery just can't stick to Starmer whereas I could see it flustering miliband or any of the shadow front bench
All nicely buried by the spending review. Bastards
Bastards
This is not news, though !
Has you know who got a you know what to stop the media mentioning his name and Greenall of Warrington based products in the same sentence?
Asking for a friend.
What did that mean?
Gin??
Well it hasn't exactly made Warrington famous. But will it make a loser out of Boris?
What did that mean?
super
boris
alcoholic
injunction
I honestly have no idea why those are the first four words I found in the front of my brain.
Vladivar by any chance?
I honestly have no idea why those are the first four words I found in the front of my brain.
Seems rather unlikely since granting a injunction (super or otherwise) to block people being told the PM is an aloholic would seem to fail the public interest test.
For other reasons maybe but considering the clear performance implications for the PM being alcoholic if solely for that reason I would have my doubts it would get through. Plus it would just get leaked to a helpful MP to stand up and ask as per the Trafigura case.
I thought you meant this, but he's too southern to like proper beer.
Mr Muddle. "The Mr Men character who misplaced a countries economy"
This is worth a read in the interests of balance....
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-shaky-evidence-for-starmers-attack-on-johnson-brexit-promise
No I’m not a Tory or a Leave voter but do think balanced views are important.
Worth a read w00dster but shows that some of the facts are tenuous and the wording was chosen to be ambiguous which comes back to "the we don't a concrete plan impression" that a lot of us have been deducing.
The Labour leader would have been better advised to go down the no plan for public well being and no semblance of decisiveness by the executive (they are well organised for looking after their mates though in stark contrast).
They've given Johnson a very generous amount of leeway there IMO
If someone had asked him the time and he'd answered worngly but later sprinkled a bit of latin into his guff, I get the feeling that this would have said (the time was correct for Rome)
But Mr Johnson’s comments here would also apply to the Withdrawal Agreement, which preserves – albeit temporarily – the regulations the UK adopted from the EU during its membership for the purposes of the transition period. From a business perspective, nothing would change on the day after Brexit. He adds “so as we come out, it’s all protected”, again suggesting it’s the Withdrawal Agreement he has in mind
The question was about the future of Nissan in the north east and he talked at some (irritating) length about clear supply chains etc. If it's the withdrawal agreement he has in mind, he should have said "for the next year", not "as we come out". If he was talking purely about the tarnsitional arrangement, he's totally (and wilfully) failed to answer the obvious intent of the question
Withdrawal Agreement
Trade Deal
Oven ready agreement
Oven ready deal
Clearly a sneaky attempt to conflate the two. Why is C4 sticking up for Boj?
No deal here we come!
No I’m not a Tory or a Leave voter but do think balanced views are important.
I'm all up for a bit of balance, but right now, fact-checking what Starmer says about Johnson is like saying "well, you can say what you like about Mussolini but he DID make the trains run on time" - it's rather ignoring a significantly bigger picture.