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I’m just wondering how many MPs are worried about Johnson’s selective memory kicking back in once he returns to journalism and writes his memoirs?

We also know he’s a vindictive bastard too, after all


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:23 am
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Johnson will be hitting a Massive line of coke just before PMQs today, but I can't see his backbenchers mustering up much enthusiasm

If he's gonna quit*, he'll do it before the liason committee, because that's the kind of tedious detail focused questioning he despises

*He won't quit, his ego is simply too large


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:27 am
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The country may be going to the dogs, but Johnson has at least boosted my sense of schadenfreude.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:29 am
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He’ll throw the entire party under the bus to save his own fat arse, without a second thought

Issue with that is the chances of him losing his seat would be rather high and think that would make him the first PM to lose his seat (couple of others resigned just beforehand).
Only an 8k majority and I would guess quite a few tories wouldnt turn out for him whilst the libdems and greens would find better places to campaign.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:32 am
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 I don’t think it’s any more complicated than going to the Queen and asking her to dissolve parliament.

Interestingly since "That time the Govt shut parliament illegally" the Queen has new powers to prevent govts doing exactly that, if she thought it would be against the public good. Wouldn't that be funny...


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:34 am
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Online newspapers struggling to keep ahead of all the resignations, tweet and letters withdrawing support.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:35 am
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Or take a leaf from thatcher’s play book and deploy British troops somewhere that’ll go over well with the electorate and force the press and party to focus somewhere else.

Now if only there was a nasty little war going on somewhere with an obvious good guy bad guy set up.

It's easy to miss, but he unilaterally gave Ukraine another £100m during his phonecall with Zelensky yesterday morning.
Yes, supporting them financially is critical to keeping Ukraine afloat, however the casualness at which he's handed out the money whilst we have increasing poverty on our own doorstep is unsurprisingly callous and disingenuous.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:35 am
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Anyone getting any work done today? 😂


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:36 am
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Anyone getting any work done today? 😂

Less than i should be


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:38 am
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Interestingly since “That time the Govt shut parliament illegally” the Queen has new powers to prevent govts doing exactly that, if she thought it would be against the public good. Wouldn’t that be funny…

Not least because it would put her in a very awkward position when, immediately after saying no to him, BJ walks out of buck house, dissolves parliament and tells everyone the Queen said he could.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:38 am
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We also know he’s a vindictive bastard too, after all

Do we, what have I missed?

Bringing back Javid into the cabinet a while after he very publicly resigned doesn't sound particularly vindictive. Are there any examples of Johnson being a vindictive bastard or are you getting confused with Dominic Cummings?


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:41 am
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To be vindictive he'd have to be able to remember things wouldn't he?


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:44 am
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*He won’t quit, his ego is simply too large

Every weapon in his armoury is for deflecting responsibility - the obscure literary verbiage - disappearing acts - the hiding in a fridge. Quitting is something he doesnt have the strength or courage to do. Its weakness not strength thats keeping him in place.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:44 am
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Johnson can't hold a grudge against anyone as he struggles to remember what they did that would warrant one! All he cares about is whether, at that moment in time, you are useful to him furthering his career prospects or not. That's it.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:44 am
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They have the MP's Panel on Five Live every Wednesday before PMQ's.

They haven't been able to get a single Tory MP to come on today to comment. Hardly surprising with the pace everything is moving along at

Can't wait to watch Boris portray himself as the victim at PMQ's, something I'm sure he firmly believes


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:46 am
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 Are there any examples of Johnson being a vindictive bastard

The briefings on Sunak's financial position, his Green card and his wife's involvement with Russian money has been attributed to Johnson as a way of getting him out the way when it looked like Sunak was a candidate to take over?

But I tend to think that he's a sort that because he doesn't hold a grudge, gets very confused when his behaviour results in people feeling antipathy towards him. Others have said that Johnson tends to operate on the basis that once he's apologised for his behaviour, regardless of how egregious it may have been, that the end of the matter as far as he's concerned.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:47 am
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To be vindictive he’d have to be able to remember things wouldn’t he?

Only some of the time.

I didn't do it

I don't remember doing it

I did do it and I'm sorry

I did do it and I'm not sorry

I did do it but it was ages ago so it doesn't matter


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:48 am
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I think I'm going to have to avoid the news for the rest of today and catch the highlights this evening. It's all moving along too quickly for me to keep up between jobs 🤣


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:49 am
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Johnson is a narcissist who needs to be admired and loved, being a vindictive bastard doesn't work well for those who yearn to be loved.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:50 am
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The briefings on Sunak’s financial position, his Green card and his wife’s involvement with Russian money has been attributed to Johnson as a way of getting him out the way when it looked like Sunak was a candidate to take over?

That is not really an example of him being a vindictive bastard, it's a better example of him possibly undermining a potential leadership challenger.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 11:53 am
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How about getting journalists beaten up?

That strikes me as quite vindictive


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:00 pm
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Okay there was an incident over 30 years ago. I am assuming the lack of reference to anything more recent suggests that the vindictive bastard side of his personality hasn't been particularly obvious for a while?


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:04 pm
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Yeah, I struggle to see Johnson as vindictive

Anyway, the day of rolling resignations didn't work to make Corbyn resign, perhaps this one won't either.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:05 pm
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That strikes me as quite vindictive

It was his mate who was the vindictive one and even then it was them trying to silence someone who was currently doing damage as opposed to just getting revenge.

I doubt he would really go after people in his memoirs since he is far too self obsessed and living in the present. I expect the only attacks on others will be pure blame deflection from himself rather than actual vindictiveness.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:05 pm
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perhaps this one won’t either.

Difference being Corbyn had the support of the party as a whole whilst the latest polls indicate Johnson doesnt.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:06 pm
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Anyone getting any work done today? 😂

Absoultely! (Zero 🤔😂)


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:09 pm
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Another one gone, with another fairly unambiguous resignation letter

https://twitter.com/johnglenuk/status/1544623825307959300?s=21&t=X5DYB1Sdue-rgmRULysV1w


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:13 pm
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Anyone getting any work done today?

Between this and what looks like a cracker of a tour stage later my productivity today is gone


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:13 pm
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Reading the news and watching Boris squirm is great! Unfortunately my mind then turns to who/what next and I remember how few quality politicians of any party exist at the moment. The sad fact is I can't see anyone able to steer the country out of the mess we are in. 😞
Still, a Tory party implosion and clown performance is always fun watching!


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:14 pm
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How many’s that now?


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:18 pm
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The sad fact is I can’t see anyone able to steer the country out of the mess we are in. 😞
Still, a Tory party implosion and clown performance is always fun watching!

Yep, we might as well enjoy the show before the conflagration swallows us.

The sad fact is Johnson isn't the worst option here, not by a long way and even if they pluck some miracle worker out of obscurity the transfer is going to hurt at a time when there's no room for it.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:19 pm
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The sad fact is Johnson isn’t the worst option here, not by a long way and even if they pluck some miracle worker out of obscurity the transfer is going to hurt at a time when there’s no room for it.

The logical and inescapable culmination of Brexit - the country is literally on it's knees now. Asset stripped, soaring inflation, worsening standards of living, zero political leadership from anywhere.
Tories are mired in sleaze, squalor and corruption. Labour are blinkered to anything that goes against The Sacred Referendum That Must Be Obeyed. Who knows what policies the Lib Dems have? And up in Scotland, SNP are tearing themselves to bits over whatever IndyRef number they're on now plus the minor loss of £billions.

And now we're faced with a complete overhaul in Government, new ministers (most of whom are only in post cos they're rabid Brexiteers or Johnson loyalists and therefore thick as shit) and a PM who's only policy is to lurch from one scandal to another and who's days are probably numbered anyway.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:30 pm
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PMQ's are going to be awesome. Never have I tuned in so much in the last few months after each now scandal.

He's still not going to resign though.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:33 pm
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He's going to get a visit from the men in grey suits telling him it's time to go.  The Tories don't half make regicide entertaining!


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:37 pm
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another

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1544631081894400000


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:37 pm
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He'll threaten a general election and they'll back off. He's quoted in the Times: 'F*** that.'


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:45 pm
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Shall we have a charity sweep stake on which incompetent we get next then?


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:46 pm
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No one should forget that, once the panto at the top of the Conservative Party is over (at least this episode), the UK's stupid nationalist/populist posturing is going to be exposed for what it is over the NI protocol.

The UK is about to find out what a political red line truly is - unless we change course.

It doesn't matter what Zahawi or anyone else does if we embark on another step-change to prices as a result of a futile trade war with the EU. Sooner or later we're going to have to co-operate with the EU in a spirit of actual co-operation. Then the question will be "why did we leave in the first place?"

It is a good question and, like all good and pointed questions, it cannot be answered truthfully by those who campaigned for it.

EDIT: I guess my point is that only a small part of this current circus is Johnson himself. It is symptomatic of the fix the UK put itself in back in 2016 - the impossible task of squaring Leave Lies with international reality. UK politics will be unstable and ineffective until we go cap in hand back to the EU. That is just the way it is. Anything else is delaying (or hastening) that moment of 'surrender'.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:48 pm
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He’ll threaten a general election and they’ll back off.

As I understand it he'd need a majority vote for that, can't see him getting more than a few cabinet loyalists to vote in favour given the significant risk they'll be out on their arses if it goes to a GE. So despite the fact that the entire of the rest of the house would, the tory rebellion would see it fail.


 
Posted : 06/07/2022 12:50 pm
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It is a good question and, like all good and pointed questions, it cannot be answered truthfully by those who campaigned for it.

And if Brexit taught you one thing I would hope its that they don't need to.

I'm afraid if you think it will make a difference you're on the wrong side of history.


 
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And if Brexit taught you one thing I would hope its that they don’t need to.

I’m afraid if you think it will make a difference you’re on the wrong side of history.

Sooner or later the damage caused will have to be addressed. You can't throw away 3-4% of your GDP, permanently, and expect not to have to do something about it. The only route (if it remains open) is to go back to where we started.


 
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