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You cant keep fixating on yesterdays man
And do you really actually think the red wallers switched tory because some Labour centreists they always disliked told them corbyn was bad?
The Sun/ Mail didnt need any help to dig up pictures of him chillin with Hamas or the IRA
Johnsons boosterism was exactly what they wanted and its what they got
You cant keep fixating on yesterdays man
Not fixated, I just feel obliged to remind those who swallowed all the 'magic grandad' nonsense of the results of their choices.
And do you really actually think the red wallers switched tory because some Labour centreists they always disliked told them corbyn was bad?
It's a simple fact that labour right wingers worked against the 2017 campaign which was very narrowly lost. Had they not done that the red wallers wouldn't never have had the opportunity to switch in 2019 and we wouldn't be where we are now. It'd be easier to accept if those same people weren't now telling us to do the very same thing they didn't do back then. They can f*** right off quite frankly.
rather than the chance of another General Election being called soon
It's hardly a surprise is it? Johnson is clearly angling for a rerun of 1974 with a 'who governs britain' election but with a different result. In the face of a horrifically weak opposition he obviously thinks he can win it before tory backbenchers gang up on him again. He's got nothing to lose.
I'd be incredibly surprised if BJ tried to have a snap election
Tie the strikes to labour (which they always are in people’s minds because of the 70s) call an election, people are that ignorant/selfish they’ll vote Tory so that their train shows up, stopping strikes will be another boris promise ‘getting the job done’ mark my words
Create a problem then if you want a solution vote for it
I’d be incredibly surprised if BJ tried to have a snap election
It would be unlikely since either he would need to switch seats (something which I am not sure his opponents would allow to happen) or stand a very real chance of getting the boot even if the tories win overall.
I’d be incredibly surprised if BJ tried to have a snap election
Surely everything about his character points to him not having an election until the very final day that the parliament act allows?
In fact, far from calling one early, what's more likely is that the day before that he'll declare war on France, dissolve parliament, cancel all elections and instigate martial law
Be honest... would anyone put it past him?
Surely everything about his character points to him not having an election until the very final day that the parliament act allows.
So why did he call the last one?
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1538795517169254400?s=20&t=lOjWK-_ghjTQK7sGiiMGcg
Oh, apologies I couldn't work out whether this goes in the Tory/Johnson thread or the Starmer thread.
Snap election - with strikes, inflation, interest rates and other trouble. No way.
But then again.
So why did he call the last one?
Because too many of his sitting MPs were not prepared to vote against the interests of their constituents, their country, and the Union. He pushed them out of the party, and transformed the make up of the Conservative party in Parliament, as well as gaining a working majority. Well worth his time and effort.
I see the years of cocaine abuse are catching up
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1538846424745533440
So why did he call the last one?
You saw who his opponent was, right?
Oh, apologies I couldn’t work out whether this goes in the Tory/Johnson thread or the Starmer thread.
OH FFS!!! CAN YOU KEEP YOUR ENDLESS *ING STARMER STUFF TO THE ACTUAL *ING STARMER THREAD SO THE REST OF US CAN JUST IGNORE YOU IN YOUR LITTLE ****ING LEFTIE ECHO CHAMBER?
OH FFS!!! CAN YOU KEEP YOUR ENDLESS *ING STARMER STUFF TO THE ACTUAL *ING STARMER THREAD SO THE REST OF US CAN JUST IGNORE YOU?
Maybe Starmer can stop being endlessly Tory?
Don't think I've made many comments on here about Starmer. Chill man.
(And also I happily tolerated your hourly rants about communists so hey ho.)
Well, it's not really in Starmer's gift to reintroduce free movement, given that we've left the EU.
I'm left wondering when the tipping point will be when the penny drops for pivotal voters about the impact of Brexit - at which point 'rejoin' or 'rejoin-lite' policies will start to gain real traction. We're not at that point yet, but over the winter it's going to become bleeding obvious in the constituencies that matter.
Until that point, Starmer/Labour appear to be shackled electorally to Brexit, and have to give half-hearted 'making a success of Brexit' speeches like this. Johnson knows that while Labour and the Tories are fighting over the same, Brexity turf, his sociopathic policies cut through, but that advantage could be gone by the spring.
I like to talk about Johnson on the Starmer thread (where my inadequate use of emojis causes confusion and consternation) so I'm not surprised people come here to talk about him for a bit.
Surely everything about his character points to him not having an election until the very final day that the parliament act allows?
He would have it when he thinks he has the best chance of winning or, possibly, if it looks like he is going to get the boot by the tories to burn the house down behind him.
(And also I happily tolerated your hourly rants about communists so hey ho.)
Binners has learnt the culture war techniques from the right. Its okay for them to say what they want when they want but as soon as anyone dares invade the safe space then its gloves off whining time.
I like to talk about Johnson on the Starmer thread (where my inadequate use of emojis causes confusion and consternation) so I’m not surprised people come here to talk about him for a bit.
Well the thing is - they want an exclusive little chamber where all the bad stuff is aimed at Johnson (fair enough), but there's simply too much cross-over these days. So centrists need to deal with their shift too.
He would have it when he thinks he has the best chance of winning or, possibly, if it looks like he is going to get the boot by the tories to burn the house down behind him.
Yeah, if it’s the only chance to keep his job, of course he’ll go for it. Another Conservative leader taking them to victory isn’t meaningful for him in any way… he’s all about the Boris Johnson show.
Sorry if it's been done but Oborne is always worth a squiz:
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/june/14/boris-johnson-the-billionaires-prime-minister
Seems like a very different scenario to May's snap election in '17 that went pear shaped.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40210957
Yeah, if it’s the only chance to keep his job, of course he’ll go for it
Or to wreck things behind him. He strikes me as someone who would take the approach that if he cant play with the trainset then no one can.
Outside that response to an internal threat I cant see him going for it anytime soon. Way to risky.
Or to wreck things behind him.
Indeed... sort of a win win... either it saves him his job, or he leaves the party to clean up his mess in opposition without him as leader. You can see it being an option he wouldn't rule out. But I happen to think it's currently more about scaring MPs into line, and he won't be really thinking about calling a snap election. If that looks to be failing though... he might then switch to "going for it" to fall back into campaigning not governing... get himself onto more familiar ground where he has proven himself many times before.
Oborne is always worth a squiz
Thanks for the link Bill, is there a written version anywhere?
Not as far as I'm aware. Apparently he's now recovering from an op on his nose. Hmmmm.
Apparently he’s now recovering from an op on his nose. Hmmmm.
Reverse Pinocchio.
That Oborne piece is really interesting. Seems he's absolutely got the measure of him.
It's so true that this amiable buffoon schtick is still doing a job at hiding how dangerous he really is as a threat to democracy. It absolutely staggers me that people are still buying it. He's so transparent.
As for the op? The most worrying thing is that Dominic Raab is nominally in charge. He always has the look of a man who's just been disturbed while cutting up a dead prostitute in his bath. I bet he's been itching to nuke Moscow just to see what would happen
how dangerous he really is as a threat to democracy.
So dangerous that many in the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour HQ were quite happy for him to be PM. 🤔
I like to talk about Johnson on the Starmer thread
TBH it's pretty bloody stupid having two threads about the same thing. But then I guess the ostriches on here who don't want to understand the link between Johnson's success and labour's failure need a place to do their whining about how terrible eveything is.
I'll stop when you lot actually start talking about something with some substance to it. For as long as you whinge about how evil Johnson is, I'll just keep reminding you that there was an alternative which you didn't seem to want, resulting in the thing you're now moaning about.
OH FFS!!! CAN YOU KEEP YOUR ENDLESS *ING STARMER STUFF TO THE ACTUAL *ING STARMER THREAD SO THE REST OF US CAN JUST IGNORE YOU IN YOUR LITTLE ****ING LEFTIE ECHO CHAMBER?
Are you saying that you don't like people making the same point over and over?
Stop doing it then.
I’ll just keep reminding you that there was an alternative which you didn’t seem to want, resulting in the thing you’re now moaning about.
Stop lecturing people who voted for Labour under Corbyn for him not being elected PM. In fact, just keep it out of this thread. It is not Binner's fault, or Corbyn's fault, or Stamer's fault that Boris Johnson is a god awful PM that is causing lasting damage to the UK, it is BORIS JOHNSON'S FAULT.
Boris Johnson Broke Britain.
Oh christ! As this just turns this into Starmer thread yet again....
I’ll just keep reminding you that there was an alternative which you didn’t seem to want, resulting in the thing you’re now moaning about.
I voted for Corbyn. Twice. While also seeing how obviously unelectable he was, as he was so repellent to such a huge chunk of the electorate (and you can argue all day about who's fault that is, but it was predominantly his)
And you have an interesting definition of failure. When Grandad finally, belatedly shuffled off to the allotment, having gift-wrapped Boris his 80 seat majority, labour were polling 24 points behind the Tories, they've now been polling ahead of them consistently since last year. Thats failure, is it?
Now FFS, can you keep all further Corbyn/Starmer points to the Starmer thread, so the rest of us can ignore it and leave the five of you having your little competition to see who can furiously denounce Starmer the most, and blame him for causing cancer, starting the second world war and whatever else you've decided is his fault today?
This is meant to be a thread about Boris Johnson
This is meant to be a thread about Boris Johnson
Stop talking about Starmer & Corbyn then.
Oh FFS! Its the usual suspects who ALWAYS bring up the subject of Grandad, usually Daz
Now be off back to the Starmer thread with the rest of your little sixth form gang. Have you lot not got A level revision to be doing?
Now be off back to the Starmer thread with the rest of your little sixth form gang. Have you lot not got A level revision to be doing?
Are you saying that you don’t like people making the same point over and over?
Stop doing it then.
QED. If you want people to change their behaviour, try it yourself.
It is not Binner’s fault, or Corbyn’s fault, or Stamer’s fault that Boris Johnson is a god awful PM that is causing lasting damage to the UK, it is BORIS JOHNSON’S FAULT.
Nope. Everyone knew how terrible and destructive he would be. There were plenty of warnings, so none of this should be a surprise. Even with that knowledge many in the labour party still decided their own trivial self serving interests were more important than stopping Johnson becoming PM. Starmer was one of those people. The irony of course is now that he's succeeded in manoevring himself into the leadership and siezed back control of the party by the right wing, he's doing a god-awful job. He must be wondering what the point of it all was.
So Boris tried to give his then mistress (Carrie), a £100k a year job in Downing Street.
This was not allowed and then the story broke (quietly) in The Times and then it vanished just as quickly and now, No. 10 admit to having pressured The Times to drop the story.
Nothing to see here, another normal day in BungaBoris land...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-carriegate-times-story-b2105025.html
This doesn't need to be this angry.
Johnson is the main baddie - we know.
But Starmer is the current opposition leader and it must be pointed out when he's giving Johnson a free-ride. This stuff is linked. Especially with the movement of Labour towards the centre-right.
Which is why I post 95% of my Starmer troubles in the Starmer thread.
There is too much "we need a thread for this and a thread for that." - because I don't like what's being said.
Nothing to see here, another normal day in BungaBoris land…
Thank god for a "free press"... I suppose we should be glad that at least Borisconi doesn't literally own the press... it's just that he can offer the owners security of wealth and power.
This is meant to be a thread about Boris Johnson
So no good comments when Starmer trounces him at PMQs?
*sigh*
Anyways... back on topic, Grant Schapps has just anounced that they now plan to change the law, this week, to make it legal to replace striking staff with agency workers
And so the assault on workers rights gathers pace. I think they're looking for a proper full-on 80's style fight with the unions so they can use it as a cover to take a torch to employment rights across the board, now we're 'free of the shackles of the EU'
So much for the 'High Wage, High Skill' economy, eh?
This is meant to be a thread about Boris Johnson
Johnson and Starmer are two sides of the same coin. You can't talk about one without the other. Starmer played a major role in Johnson becoming PM, and is doing an amazing job of keeping him there. The fact that Johnson's main source of opposition is his own backbench MPs tells you all you need to know.
legal to replace striking staff with agency workers
Which minister? Not one who criticised P&O for replacing staff with agency workers? Surely...?
So no good comments when Starmer trounces him at PMQs?
There used to be, but DazH would always pop out the cave to denounce Starmer again.
I'm also in the camp of let's focus on Boris in this thread. There are some relevant points to make about opposition, but more often than not they aren't made, and some drivel is spouted by a few usual suspects that derails the conversation.
I sigh when i see some usernames pop up in this thread
