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Apparently the NAO are considering an investigation into his legal fees
I just see why "we" are paying them? Is there a precedent for it?
He’s spent £100,000 on legal fees apparently.
No mate, it's me & you.
So if he does get found guilty will he still be able to ship all the assholes into the house of lords to log jam future governments?
Even if he loses his seat, like Truss he still gets £110k in perpetuity from us mugs.
he is a lying bastard of the highest order.
Is there some sort of meta-state where he's lying about his lying?
Even the Torygraph are wading in and sticking the boot into him. Leaving out the glaring hypocrisy of that, he really is done now!
https://twitter.com/thatcymraes/status/1638115578215792640?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
That Telegraph article must have been signed off by the de-facto editor, Suella Braverman
Nothing seems to get published in that paper these days without her prior approval.
So the 'I'm an idiot' defence was the only one he could really run with. Probably with enough realisation (probably from his lawyers) that he's going to be found guilty and as long as he just gets a telling off or less than 10 days recommended suspension then he won't actually care and can convince himself he's just been hard done by.
Maybe the ego thinks even if he's gets the book thrown at him from the inquiry then all his jolly MP mates will just vote against anything anyway.
I did hear something that I couldn't really understand with my limited brainpower that potentially his defence may rest on definitiions of 'guidance' against 'law' etc. so guessing he'll be going for some kind of technical issue in the wording of the inquiry rather than the fact theres a boatload of photos of him quaffing wine at gatherings.
That torygraph article is a real kick in johnson's nuts.
Not long until tomorrow's front pages will be online; express and mail are likely to be delusional.
If johnson doesn't flounce, how long before he raises questions about what a party is and attempts to rebrand these events as gatherings?
I would guess within the first 15 minutes.
Have just increased my popcorn order - was double, have now re-doubled so...quadruple popcorn!
potentially his defence may rest on definitiions of ‘guidance’ against ‘law’ etc.
That'll please those who were fines for gatherings.
Gawd I am so angry about this
You, me and lots of other people
And that’s the bit he just doesn’t get. He doesn’t get what the fuss is all about because the idea of sticking to the rules has never even entered his head. Never once in his entire uber-privileged life
And so far that attitude has had zero consequences for him.
I think we’ll see the mask slip tomorrow (as it often does) and he’ll to start getting really angry about anyone having the audacity to try and make him account for his actions. How dare they?!do they not know who he is?!
potentially his defence may rest on definitiions of ‘guidance’ against ‘law’ etc
He told parliament that all guidance was followed, when he knew it was not.
That is what he denies. "He was assured and believed it was all withing the rules" so any misleading was inadvertant
He’s referring to when the parties took place, not when he lied to parliament. Misdirection. In my opinion.
Whatever advice he selectively picks out as having received at the time of the parties… by the time he was in parliament claiming at the dispatch box that “all guidance was followed completely”, he knew otherwise.
Gawd I hope Harman reams him a new one. He is obviously running scared from the diversionary attacks on her and the committee
He’s used to gaggle of sycophants cheering him on, but as that Telegraph article shows, they’re all running for cover
The only people he can get to defend him now are Mad Nad and the Haunted Pencil
Rishi has hung him out to dry with the free vote on his fate
Gawd I hope Harman reams him a new one.
I'm at a conference tomorrow, unable to watch live so I'll be relying on this thread for updates!
I think he'll dissolve into a furious blithering mess of stammering, Latin and denial. If anyone remembers the mess he got himself into on HIGNFY years ago when the whole thing about him trying to get a journalist beaten up came out, it'll be like that x10.
I can't read the article without it asking for a free trial...? How?
Any where do we watch tomorrow?
Kryton - try this link
I will not watch. I'll get so angry I might break something. I look forward to the reports on it tho.
I wonder if there's going to be a fridge in the back of the room for him to hide in.
I just wish he'd **** off for good, he's a crap politician, has no attention to detail,and works on clichés.
In many ways Johnson is a very good politician in that he has a very clear and manufactured image, he attracts voters ( or did before becoming so tainted) and commands press attention. What he is not is a good administrator therefore a pretty useless PM.
He’s very good at self-promotion. Everything after that, not so much
It’s not that he’s no good at governing, we don’t actually know whether he was or not as he showed little interest in actually even trying.
He wanted the sugar rush of saying he’d ‘won’, he wanted the job title (after the unavailability of ‘world king’) and the perks and the kudos, but he had zero interest in actually doing the job
https://twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1638187416484708354?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
Apparently he’s voting with the DUP against the Windsor not getting Brexit done again deal.
Apparently he’s voting with the DUP against the Windsor not getting Brexit done again deal.
You mean he's actually going to turn up to the House of Commons?!
😳
The the thing that irks me the most is his just a terrible money shredding machine,to keep face with something which he could have probably set the ‘record straight’ on means a 1/4 of a million in legal fees paid for by us.
It’s worse than corruption he justs burns money up for no reason.
We now get a 4 hour special of the dog ate my homework.
We now get a 4 hour special of the dog ate my homework.
What continues to amaze me is that we all know exactly what we're going to get this afternoon - just more of the same self-serving, eye-rollingly unbelievable twoddle - that there are people still willing to stand up and defend him.
Admittidly, these aren't the sharpest tools in the box - Peter Bone, Mogg, Mad Nad - but still...
As for a parliamentary vote on any sanction, they might as well just phrase the question 'do you think Boris 'Big Dog' Johnson is a shameless **** who lied through his teeth to us all?
It’s worse than corruption he justs burns money up for no reason.
Boris has no concept of money because it is ALWAYS somebody else picking up his tab. Usually us.
Hiya,
It's a tad bit depressing to be paying for the C u next Tuesday. I see now he's going to vote against the government in the EU/Ireland Windsor accord. This seems to be an attempt to wield some control and nothing but pettiness. I guess the bigger the hole he digs for himself the further he will fall into it.
The only hope I have is that this totally destroys to Tory's.
BR
JeZ
So far the taxpayers have spaffed 200 grand on a 50 page defence that was riddled with so many grammatical errors and typos that the committee couldn't even understand it. Who'd want to be a sub-editor on handed his Telegraph columns?
I see now he’s going to vote against the government in the EU/Ireland Windsor accord.
Waaah, you didn't give me a safe seat for 2024!
No wonder Sunak is giving Tory MPs a free vote on his future. They are belatedly trying to flush the unflushable turd.
And talking of typos...
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1638455596612460548
This seems to be an attempt to wield some control and nothing but pettiness
If theres one thing we know about Boris its that he's incredibly thin-skinned, petty and vindictive.
I think Johnson would vote against absolutely anything Sunak proposed. Rishi should therfore propose putting a statue of Boris on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square and put it to a parliamentary vote, just to really **** with his head
And talking of typos…
The heil really are desperate for its management to get those retirement honours.
I ventured into their comment section. There seems to be a certain lack of support currently for him.
LOLz @ Binners
More evidence is coming out and it looks more and more damning. its on the grauniad live feed
It looks like all the people who he was about to throw under a bus (which by the end of the day will no doubt cover everyone he's ever met) are getting their rebuttals in first
Simon Case has pissed in Johnsons shoes 😀
Let's get this Partygate started!
For most, a suitcase full of wine from Sainsbury's in the middle of lockdown is definitely a party
For Johnson unless it's on a private Italian island at a luxury villa, with the finest wines, mountains of drugs, KGB agents and underage prostitutes,
It doesn't really count?
"party" is irrelevant. Not a word used in the guidance. Its a bit of diversion from Johnson to say "they were not parties" the guidance was always about the number of people gathered together for non work reasons.
So all his advisors at the time have have now made statements saying that they specifically advised Johnson not to use the words 'all the guidence was followed at all times' in parliament
So thats his solitary (already pathetically flimsy) argumant gone then?
the guidance was always about the number of people gathered together for non work reasons.
Correct. And they were investigated by the Police and found to be illegal.
The question he needs to answer is did he deliberately mislead Parliament. The gatherings are not a question to be asked.
So is ignorance of the law a valid defence in this case?
If you're the one making the laws, not really. It's slightly different from not knowing about half your kids.
So is ignorance of the law a valid defence in this case?
As a general rule it isnt as Johnson himself might spew out "Ignorantia juris non excusat"
I also think its somewhat more tricky to claim ignorance of the law if you were in charge of the government at the time the law was passed and had done several press conferences telling everyone what to and what not to do.
His defence is, basically, he is an incompetent moron who didnt understand what he and his government were telling the rest of the country to do.
So he lied Parliament
And he lied to the committee yesterday...
Yet they still won't give him a long enough suspension to warrant a potential recall petition
I’m not sure Boris is thin skinned. I don’t think he gives a crap what people say about him unless it’s a fundamental threat to HIS power.
To Boris, everything with his name in it is great.
His defence is, basically, he is an incompetent moron who didnt understand what he and his government were telling the rest of the country to do
Which has been negated by the fact that the committee has evidence he was told on multiple occasions
He is pretty thin skinned if he feels attacked especially by women
Lying because he didn't think he was lying, because of recently being told lying isnt lying if you're lying about lies.
Therefore he has not only done nothing wrong, but has been falsely accused and his accusers are in the wrong, for which he'll be wanting an apology(possibly monies)
Not guilty, on you go Sir.
How late will the **** be?
He wasn't late, but he did try and get the committee to delay until after the Brexit vote
He's also off and running with the bullshit "hand on heart, I did not lie to the house"
“I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”
Oooh you little liar 🤥
Came in 14 minutes late - is he giving us his version of things before the questioning all happens?
And who the bloody hell decided to kick off at 2pm knowing full well the bell would be ringing in 20 mins so they can all go to vote 🙄
Only in this country could you have a really important vote scheduled for the same time as a comittee that everyone is going to be fixated with, when for the rest of the week there appears to be about 4 people in the Commons, including the speaker
And when was the last time Boris was actually bothered about turning up to vote on anything?
I have a feeling he's going to keep on with 'I believed xxx was right', therefore I didn't lie.
Questioning Harman's impartiality.
Can't see that going down well.
Electro magnetic force field to ensure social distancing???
I believed
He's used that phrase a thousand times already. he's basically challenging them to be able to prove inside his head that he didnt believe it, which'll never happen.
It'll need rock solid evidence - an email, recorded call, WhatsApp or similar with a time and date stamp where someone is advising him correctly to the guidance before he commits an act of rule breaking to get him.
Is he 'mansplaining' to the entire country how we all interpreted the rules wrong?
He is, isn't he?
It's just the usual next level of waffle from him. He's guilty as charged!
It is utter waffle, but I'm still not convinced this is going to go the way we believe it should...
It's a load of bollocks this partygate stuff. I dislike Johnson as much as the next person but raking over this stuff is not particularly important. He does seem quite peeved about it though. I'm hoping he just walks out and tells them to go f*** themselves 🙂.
so did he interpret the rules wrong and as he wasnt advised otherwise he carried on as he believed? that it?
the rules that were disseminated to the mass population in an easily understandable manner?
maybe it was all vague to gve them deniability.
raking over this stuff is not particularly important.
Yes, but it's so satisfying watching him squirm.
It's dull though, innit? I think they need Aaron Sorkin to liven up the script a bit, make it a bit more like A Few Good Men
I'm tuning in on the coverage now. Just audio ! Photo's now !!! 1m, or 2m ?
It’s a load of bollocks this partygate stuff. I dislike Johnson as much as the next person but raking over this stuff is not particularly important. He does seem quite peeved about it though. I’m hoping he just walks out and tells them to go f*** themselves 🙂.
It really isn't tho - this is down him misleading parliament over the partygate stuff. So it's massively important.
He still believes !
So it’s massively important.
If he was still PM I would agree, but he's not. There's a remote chance he could be PM again and if that becomes a possibility the voters will have all the info they need to make a decision on whether he should be. This is just political mudslinging by people (ie Sunak and his supporters) trying to destroy him.
I’m hoping he just walks out and tells them to go f*** themselves
actually so do I as that would probably be considered contempt of parlament
It was still OK to have a work leaving event, but not attend even funerals.
NOpe - its very important because of the effects on parliament. the topic in itself is not but he habitually lied to parliament and this is the one example they can get him on
Its important because its about setting standards for future PMs
t’ll need rock solid evidence – an email, recorded call, WhatsApp or similar with a time and date stamp where someone is advising him correctly to the guidance before he commits an act of rule breaking to get him
Which the committee have in their evidence
Fluency is disappearing,being replaced by waffle and bluster.