I don't think Jo0hnson has the electoral appeal people think he has - and he is an absolute anathama in some places Him beingP)M puts 5 pts on the pro independence ratings in Scotland and takes a similar amount off scots tory vote
That is cold comfort to us English grownups. If the tories break up the union I'll be stuck with the tossers.
Sorry dude. Not a concept I am happy with at all but needs must!
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no chance of a GE win
hmmm, doubt that..
Sorry dude. Not a concept I am happy with at all but needs must!
It is another bitter irony that as an English person I used to like taking the mickey out of Scots in particular for their expressions of national identity. Turns out the problem has been childish English exceptionalism all along.
Just checked. Yes believe it or not Johnston is still a pure fanny!
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Just checked. Yes believe it or not Johnston is still a pure fanny!
This current tactic is defo worth keeping up, infact I think corbyn should adopt it, sur fire winning strategy...
Thats what I thought. Has the ring of truth as well 😉
With all the new cabinet bawbags, PM clown & various resignations etc., do any numbers change in terms of parliamentary voting? Do cabinet bawbags have additional voting power in any way perhaps? Or was is the net change actually zero, and hence we're just listening to different set of orifices of the same whole government now?
netchange zero on voting ie with the DUP a majotrity of 2 or 3. Not enough to force brexit thru
The reason I say he cannot win a GE is because he cannot deliver brexit parliament will not allow no deal and he is refusing the deal on offer.
Thus when as is inevitable the government collapses the brexit party are going to take all the headbangers votes so cutting tory seats.
Or if by some chance he does deliver some brexit by perhaps a border down the irish sea then the DUP pull the plug, GE time and the same issues arrise with the right wing vote split
and he is a pure fanny
I think I've just worked out his game plan.
On the radio just now, he's announced that he wants to recruit 20,000 new police officers. Typical uptake in a year is 7,000 just to replace the churn.
He's going to continue like this, making loads of crowd-pleasing new policies and initiatives or taking credit for everyone else's, until he's established his position as the greatest PM in recent history (because after all, the only thing Boris cares about is Boris). He has form here, it's exactly what he tried to do as mayor.
What about Brexit, I hear you ask? Well, aside from public posturing I reckon he's mostly just going to ignore it. Then at the 11th hour he'll either use his new-found popularity to go "can't be done" and call the whole thing off, because if Mr Can-Do can't achieve it then no-one can, or he'll resign and piss off to join his mate CMD somewhere sunny with a bottle of Moet and couple of pigs' heads for company. I'll bet good money that a brexit under Boris won't happen, because deep down for all his bluster he surely knows it's insane and there's no way a man like Boris will go down with the ship. Either he'll find a way to stop it or he will be a very very long way away when the bomb goes off.
Thanks TJ.
I've no idea what will happen. I wouldn't mind seeing Boris & his team be made to look as bad as possible, primarily by the EU. I hope the EU play hard-ball with him. Isn't a hard Brexit the default course though? What is the mechanism for us cancelling it? We know parliament don't want it, but is only the PM that is able to cancel Brexit to stop no-deal? Scary if that's the case...
Moving this to another thread… sorry…
You know what; we can move the Scottish border to the lakes. He hates all of you anyhow and it isn’t as if we haven’t been improving your gene pool for thousands of years, Christ; you are almost Scottish. That way, loads of folk will be saved from the car crash. Northern England...you are welcome!
You know what; we can move the Scottish border to the lakes.
Scotland can incorporate the Lake District? I forgot, how did Cumbria vote in the EU referendum again?
Roughly 50/50 like just about everywhere else, chump.
My bit slightly more than 50 to remain too.
I see Macron has invited Bojo Lapin for a chat over some good wine and cake. I'm really pleased I (and 20 743 127 others) voted for someone who knows exactly what Boris wants to achieve with Brexit and will make sure that he won't achieve it.
"well Boris we're not too worried about you paying your debts if you're not worried about losing your banking passport".
In your attempt to try and score some point atgray, you missed that I was commenting on how he seems to hate folk from the north...but it’s a good point; how DID Cumbria vote?
A good strong 56% for Cumbrexia, the Cumbrians aren't looking to avoid a car crash, the bastards are driving the tanker. CaRnAgE!!!
Now, about that gene pool improvement :o)
brexit parliament will not allow no deal and he is refusing the deal on offer.
How exactly will parliament not allow it? The only real option they have is a vote of no confidence and (assume) the EU extend for a GE there is no other mechanism without completely destroying the way our system of government works. The only other option that doesn't amount to a coup is HRH steps in, given that no monarch has made policy in a few hundred years I don't see that happening.
Force a GE? Every single one of those votes you're so sure the brexit party will take will all go tory because Labour will have to whip against brexit and guess who the sun will advocate for. (I've said it before and else where and I'll say it again, euros are no reflection on a GE, they'll take the ukip vote and noticeable bits from others but they'll win few seats because [thankfully] we still have first post).
Not a chance, Boris knows it, if we're honest, we know it. The one thing there is a majority for in Westminster it's still being in Westminster in January.
We know parliament don’t want it, but is only the PM that is able to cancel Brexit to stop no-deal
As a result of early "remainer meddling" there is an act of Parliament triggering a50, the only thing which trumps that is royal decree (not happening) or a subsequent act of Parliament (its possible the ECJ and ECHR could effectively over rule but that would be a long process even if there was ground).
The only people who can put forward legislation are the government. Parliament can amend but that can't be done retrospectively so has to be done with new legislation, there's none planned between now and 31/10.
So to answer your question no, anyone in government can effectively override a50 by proposing suitable legislation. Unfortunately that's now johnson's cabinet of true believers so good luck with that.
My bit: for remain
And I think it was athgray going for the points
We will take northumbria. Cumbria I am not so sure
I don't think Boris hates anyone from anywhere. I think he is quite willing to capitalise on the tendency of the people to polarise and dehumanise the other. Like you're doing now. It's a pretty revolting aspect of human psychology.
Northumbria tjagain?
Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire all good strong leave votes too, looks like the Border might be staying where it is :o)
We'll take none of them. They made their bed.
Yeah. Like that.
NOrthumbria used to belong to us ( or did we belong to northumbria - I forget)
looks like Northumbrian attitudes have drifted apart I'm afraid.
However, at an event on Friday in Co Donegal, Varadkar warned that a no-deal Brexit could make some in Northern Ireland “question the union”. “People who you might describe as moderate nationalists or moderate Catholics, who were more or less happy with the status quo, will look more towards a united Ireland,” he said.
“And we will increasingly see liberal Protestants and liberal unionists starting to ask the question as to where they feel more at home: is it in a nationalist Britain that is talking about potentially reintroducing the death penalty, or something like that, or is it part of a European home and part of Ireland?”
Oh and WTF - Johnston TELLS Merkel? jeepers - she is worth 10 of him!
Boris Johnson has told Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, that the EU must abandon the backstop if it wants to reach an agreement on Brexit with the UK.
still a pure fanny BTW
still a pure fanny BTW
You need a barometer scale of Boris' level of fannyness on a daily basis tj.
The thing is... the thing is... The backstop's only there in case everything else falls through, right? It's the backup plan. So the only reason to worry about it, is if you think everything's going to fall through. So when anyone says everything will be fine BUT WE MUST NOT HAVE A BACKSTOP, you know they're full of shit. If they believed what they're saying they wouldn't be worried about plan B
And when you're admitting that your plan A won't work but also insisting that nobody has a plan B, you have lost it
Oh well, if that’s their attitude, then the offer to be part of the newly independent Scotland is rescinded. They can stay as the “Northern powerhouse.” And just for the record,their PM is a pure bawbag.
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still a pure fanny BTW
You need a barometer scale of Boris’ level of fannyness on a daily basis tj.
Difficult to work out a scale when he is already pretty much off it.
Daft laddie. diddy. Fanny. pure fanny, fud?
Whatever he is, all the costly promises he is making need to be funded.
a nationalist Britain that is talking about potentially reintroducing the death penalty.
It's ridiculous statements like this that show why remoaners have already lost. Varadkar? LOL what a lame duck. And why does Macron think his opinion will change anything? Until Bojo goes to meet Merkel no one know how things are going to shape up.
And why does Macron think his opinion will change anything?
Because Macron knows enough about markets, trading and finance to throw Bojo's blackmail efforts back in his face.
Until Bojo goes to meet Merkel no one know how things are going to shape up.
Actually we do
1 - Merkel will not enter into any negotiations
2 - the EUs position is unchanged and has been for months. "This is the only deal, we are not reopening it"
There is no forum for discussions available as the negotiating team have been disbanded and no council of ministers meetings
Her knows this of course - what he is setting up is an attempt to blame the EU for the position we are in
They're actually making the EU's position easier to maintain. They're so far off what the EU might reasonably agree to, it's straightforward for them to just say no. If the proffered position was just a slight change it would have to be looked at. It isn't.
Until Bojo goes to meet Merkel no one know how things are going to shape up.
Is this where the German car makers finally step up & force Merkel to save us from our own stupidity ? 😁😁😁
They've left it a bit late!
The irony of a leaver desperate for Merkel to take back control 🙄
Well this is an interesting thing for a Tory PM to commit too within a week of becoming leader. An acknowledgement that the north of England actually exists.
We've heard it all before, of course, so I'll take it with the usual bucket of salt. It'll be another thing to see whether anything actually comes of it. We were promised a massive infrastructure investment by Osbourne. It was all promptly shelved about a millisecond after they won the election they never expected to win
I expect this is more the same. A cynic would assume Boris is clearly going to go for an early election, so is promising the moon on a stick which he probably has absolutely no intention of delivering
Boris Johnson admits Tories 'failed' northern towns as he launches £3.6bn fund
Maybe, just maybe, he has only been acting the fanny all these years as he knew it was his best chance of getting elected as PM. Now he is in his true colours will shine through and he will be the one true saviour the UK needs. If anyone can recruit 20000 new police officers in 3 years, renegotiate a brexit deal with a group who have finished negotiating, single handedly save the union, heal all the divisions, make everyone in the UK more prosperous, reverse the decline of so many of its towns and cities then its got to be Boris. One glance at his track record will show you that.
