Unless, and I truly hope I am, I’m thoroughly mistaken the only support BJ needs for that is his own now he’s pm, arguably the cabinet could do something but they’re now all true believers so no risk there.
Not quite as cut and dried as that - any amendable bill can be hijacked by parliament to affect brexit plans, and the speaker can also obey the will of the house over the government's business.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48519746
Boris showed how to command the despatch box today and made a very impressive start to his premiership.
With his "can-do" cabinet I am looking forward to a period of getting things done instead of the usual endless discussions about why it's too hard to deliver improvements.
Corbyn resorted to the usual remarks about privilege, yawn, and Swinson showed her ineffectiveness by asking a question that BJ had already set out a policy for. With this level of opposition, once brexit is sorted, there will definitely be a general election for the tories to capitalise on.
any amendable bill can be hijacked by parliament to affect brexit plans, and the speaker can also obey the will of the house over the government’s business.
True but there the government would simply whip against it if they thought they'd win or withdraw the bill from debate if they weren't sure.
The speaker is only the chair, he can, if needs be timetable debate against the will of the government but he can't actually propose bills.
Even then, they're now on their jollies until 3rd September the only bill due for debate before rising for conference season is the animal welfare sentencing bill which is in late stages and (I believe) shouldn't be further amendable by now. They come back on the 9th of October which leaves no time for another bill to be introduced and passed before 31st unless the government tries to hurry it through (anything on first reading on the 10th would get a second reading week 21st, it could be "reasoned" amended such as its voted down at that point but not amended in the way we'd like).
They all know unless Boris changes his mind they're scuppered but none of them have the guts to do what needs be done and force a GE because they're too worried about keeping their jobs instead of doing them. (well certainly not just before summer so they have to go campaigning instead of spending 6 weeks on the allotment).
He is still a pure fanny about to be slapped by a smelly fish called reality
No ifs, buts or maybe's this sums him up and his situation. No further explanation required.
Anyone that thinks he us a suitable candidate to lead a country needs their head read.
Anyone that thinks he us a suitable candidate to lead a country needs their head read.
He wants to "be" Churchill, our greatest ever leader*, he may yet turn out to be chrurchillian.
Regrettably it appears he wants to be the Churchill of the dardanelles not d day.
*ymmv, mine certainly does.
With his “can-do” cabinet I am looking forward to a period of getting things done instead of the usual endless discussions about why it’s too hard to deliver improvements.
As am I, though I suspect for entirely different reasons.
It's well documented that you can make difficult things easy simply by saying that they're easy. That's worked really well for us for the last three years.
I suppose if nothing else, it'll dispel the notion that the only reason we haven't left yet is because we didn't want to badly enough.
No battle plan survives the first engagement with the enemy. Boris would do well to take note.
No battle plan survives the first engagement with the enemy. Boris would do well to take note.
He'll just blame the enemy. The perfidious cheating EU with their anti-Boris armour that no-one knew about. He had the perfect plan of attack and it would have been a triumphant victory but they very unfairly turned up with their anti-Boris weapons, how very dare they the sneaking underhand cowards, that's not the British way at all.
Tragically, you are absolutely correct and the blame has already started before the engagement.
I wonder what will become of his torygraph column, its not going to make for much in the way of "exciting" anti establishment reading anymore is it, or do you think he's actually so delusional and duplicitous and such a consomethinge liar he'll be able to openly criticise himself in the paper and yet simultaneously hold a completely different view as PM?
I for one am gearing up for some serious civil disobedience if this floppy haired ****wit crashes us out with no deal.
I for one am gearing up for some serious civil disobedience if this floppy haired **** crashes us out with no deal.
Why would you wait until after? What good would that do?
OMG! "The flatulent sisters"?! My band back in the 80s was called the Flatulent Brothers 😆
Finally the brexiteers get to own the shitshow they created.
Remarkably; t seems some people think a 'can-do attitude' is all that's needed to change the realities of 40 years of integration with the EU & get 'Brexit sorted' 😁
Of course with Corbyn & labour still in paralysis the election result when Johnson fails to get no deal thru parliament is anyone's guess.
It's worth noting that reality fish has already slapped him in the face, & his first lie exposed- that he could could do away with the backstop.
^the lib Dems come from out of nowhere and snatch an election victory, 2nd referendum, 70% of the population vote to remain.
What concerns me is the casual attitude to the GFA.
Have they forgotten some very irate Irish terrorists/patriots did a pretty good job of dismantling the Tories at their conference a good few years back?
And PR-wise targeting the Tories would be better than say a bus station.
Surely there's someone in the Tories feeling a few twinges of doubt about that?
^the lib Dems come from out of nowhere and snatch an election victory, 2nd referendum, 70% of the population vote to remain.
He will go for a no deal Brexit, vote of no confidence will force an election, election will see Tories and Labour give up seats to Brexit party, hung parliament, 2nd ref gets voted through by Labour, Lid Dems, Greens - 2nd ref goes 53 to 47 for remain. Forget the last 4 years ever happened.
Forget the last 4 years ever happened.
Watching the gammons attempts at civil disobedience and 'bringing the country to a standstill' will be amusing, if nothing else
What concerns me is the casual attitude to the GFA.
Have they forgotten some very irate Irish terrorists/patriots did a pretty good job of dismantling the Tories at their conference a good few years back?
And PR-wise targeting the Tories would be better than say a bus station.
Surely there’s someone in the Tories feeling a few twinges of doubt about that?
Many of us spent a fair amount of time in Northern Ireland trying to bring about peace and some never came back. If these Tory idiots are happy to potentially bring about a resumption of Northern Irish terrorism, in the name of loyalty to party before country, then they should be the ones to bare the brunt.
Just checked - he is still a pure fanny
Every leaver I know was a leaver in 1996, not just because of the campaign in 2016
Can't say I know anyone in 1996 who was taking about leaving the EU or even talked about the EU at all. Some of them voted leave in 2016. It just wasn't a consideration at the time and no one really saw there's an issue.
Plenty of people voted to leave because they believed that giving more money to the NHS was a good idea, for instance.
And I feel sorry that they were sold a false promise like this, and personally feel annoyed that we've made such a massive constitutional changing decision based on a lie (and many others). Had the vote still be leave based on facts, then I'd accept it.
This is unforgivable stuff and I can't see leaving no matter what will then unify the country, as Boris promises.
Can’t say I know anyone in 1996 who was taking about leaving the EU or even talked about the EU at all. Some of them voted leave in 2016. It just wasn’t a consideration at the time and no one really saw there’s an issue.
Agree. It really wasn't a thing to care about for anyone I know. Just proves how dangerous a referendum is (and all the propaganda around it) that now people feel so strongly about something they didn't even care about 5 years ago. And most of them still wouldn't even notice if we had left or remained of nobody told them.
He will go for a no deal Brexit
It does occur to me that no deal is more about bullying parliament into agreeing what ever BJ puts on the table than anything else.
The EU don't think it's a serious threat but even if they did, have too much to lose by caving in and much less to lose [than us] to no deal.
Parliament on the other hand can well imagine BJ shafting us all on principle and the one thing that's become fairly clear is the only thing likely to get a majority in Westminster is anything but no deal. He's playing chicken with parliament and I imagine he'll win.
And most of them still wouldn’t even notice if we had left or remained of nobody told them.
If only this were true. Still, looks like you’ll find out soon enough.
Some of the non-MP appointments being made by this government have been quite eye opening. Chloe Westley anyone? If you think “no real change” is what’s in store for us in the lower orders, prepare to be disappointed.
It does occur to me that no deal is more about bullying parliament into agreeing what ever BJ puts on the table than anything else.
except he's in hock up to his eyeballs to the ERG (he even had to find a position for his ERG handler in cabinet) it's hard brexit or bust.... the bust bust scenario
it’s hard brexit or bust
I don't doubt for a second there's a deal to be done which will do very well by JRM, BJ et al. For the rest of us it'll be as bad or worse than no deal but I'm fairly sure there will be a deal. You don't get that far up the ladder by shitting on yourself.
There is no deal to be done! Without the Irish backstop everything is off. Thats no transition, no side deals even on flights and the like. So day 2 after we fall out with No deal and everythings fubared - Johnson goes to the EU asking for deals. " what about NI?" "where is our 39 billion?" are the two questions that he will be asked and needs to answer before any deal can be done.
He is surrounded by sycophants who all reinforce each others delusions.
I bet he doesn't even make it to 31 oct without a GE
There is no deal to be done!
Well apart from the May Deal 😀
Yes - apart from that but it includes the NI backstop. Thats the only deal on offer unless tory red lines change for the better - which is unlikely to say the lkest.
A GE might be exactly what BJ or his string pullers want though. He has wide appeal bizarrely and I imagine that is why he is where he is. Be afraid of a GE if you don't like blue.
NO chance of him winning a GE - he might think he can but the brexit party are going to take him to pieces if he doesn't get out by oct as promised - and that he cannot do as parliament will block Nno deal
NO chance of him winning
Sorry, but I've heard that phrase far too often since 2015 for it to have any meaning anymore 🙂
A liberal economic consensus that unhindered economics/trade where the government doesn’t poke it’s nose is is a good thing. 🙂
It would be quicker just having a fight to the death! 😆 Rather than the true outcome of Anarchism that you wish to see.
Regulation, Health and Saftey, Worker rights! Paafff! To the workhouses the minions shall go! 😆
Fair enough.
However - he cannot deliver on brexit - parliament will not allow no deal, Headbangers / farage etc will take him to pieces if he doesn't deliver. so he will lose the brexiteers and has alientated the sensible tories - = no chance of a GE win
He is still a fanny about to get slapped by reality
The vaunted intelligence of Dominic Cummings will be useful to Johnson, whether he has a strategy beyond no deal though?
Which still has to pass parliament somehow.
Vote leave have admitted that they simply didn't understand or know much about the GFA or the border problem, Malthouse is a minister now so the unicorns can flow freely.
I think you are being very complacent there Tjagain, BJ has way more public appeal than you suggest.
If people believe there was no way to leave the EU because of 'outside reasons' then there is no way The Brexit party will be able to say 'we could have left if we had control'. BJ will tub thump with the best-worst of them but I believe he has more appeal to the general public than any other party leader, with the backing of Tory spin on top which means extra Tory votes
All onions of course so we shall see.
I don't think it matters what BJ's public appeal is, he will create enemies outside the uk and within to blame. And it is selling to the public that these mythical enemies are to blame where he will succeed. Unfortunately I think he will get a lot of mileage out of that tactic, and the UK will be all but destroyed as an economy, before he himself is slapped by reality.
Increasing police numbers is the first tactic to enforcing unpopular policies, protesters will be portrayed as undemocratic and unpatriotic spoilers who deserve baton charges by the heroic boys in blue.
who deserve baton charges by the heroic boys in blue.
If only they had some water cannons to use as well. Boris, what happened to those water cannons you spent a shit load of tax payer money on, just remind us?
Three water cannon bought and refurbished for more than £320,000 while Boris Johnson was London Mayor have been sold for £11,000
If he intends to run the country on that model we're more ****ed than we think
Meanwhile, over at the New Statesman...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/07/con-man-keys-kingdom
You mean I could have gotten a water cannon for £11,000? WTF am I doing driving around in a Skoda!
You mean I could have gotten a water cannon for £11,000? WTF am I doing driving around in a Skoda!
You only get to buy one for eleven grand if you have the right connections, though. Get used to it, mind. This is the future where we basically become a failed state as the disaster capitalists bleed us dry at no risk to themselves.
Meanwhile, over at the New Statesman…
Like shooting fish in a barrel, trying to sum up the qualities that make BJ unfit to govern.
