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They undoubtedly will and if you think that isn’t the case then you are sadly blinkered.
I wouldn't claim to know whether other people in my local weatherspoons are paying for their drinks out of universal credit.
Where people have got their money from to pay for their drinks isn't something which I give any thought. I don't go down the pub to make assessments of people that I don't know.
Why don’t you accept people’s views instead of telling them what to do?
You thought I was telling what to do? I am obviously not particularly bothered that 40 years ago your parents forced you to give them more than half your wages, I just suggested that you should perhaps move on and not be so judgemental about other people because of it. If you didn't want anyone to comment why did you raise the issue?
Of course living a life of benefits culture makes me more qualified than some to comment on the attitudes of SOME people within said culture
I'd have thought being an alcoholic who drinks at wetherspoons at 10am in the morning would be the salient qualification to pass judgement on people who do the same. Until you've done that maybe you should keep your uninformed views to yourself?
Anyway.
I think we should just circulate some fake news headlines, see how many are believed and just how outraged anyone actually is at anything anymore:
"Boris Johnson to appoint Goose as special advisor"
"Gove to replace Sheffield's busses with elaborate network of waterslides as part of Levelling up plans"
"Government insist disability benefits should be means assessed using magic 8 ball"
"Sunak to levy windfall tax on bunting manufacturers during Jubilee"
"Patel to organise Saturday night gladiatorial death matches with failed asylum seekers, Ant and Dec to present coverage"
I'm not totally sure all of those aren't really happening...
It's been reported that despite the inflation sales of beer and fags have held up. I don't cast cistercians but see it as a manifestation of alienation in a shit society. Moral opprobrium is seriously nasty, the same is never applied to the rich sorted with coke and fizz.
A pint every couple of hours in a warm, lit environment surrounded by company is probably cheaper and than heating your flat on a state pension and means you actually get to interact with people rather than staring at your damp, peeling wallpaper…
You can get a bottomless cup of coffee in Wetherspoons for less than £2. I know where I’d be every day if I was struggling on a pension😉
When I worked at a Peak District bike shop I’d often go to the Wetherspoons for breakfast (not been in one since B.) there was a proper community, a bloke called Andrew who’d have a full dinnertime meal at 8am, he also had a pet rabbit. Also others having their first pint, it was a very supportive and caring place, including the staff. I think that it was a wonderful place and probably the best community support and care in the community that some people can access.
I don’t cast cistercians
You monk-eying around again?
and I thought ‘Carrie Out’ was referring to the Abba party. Silly me.
More of a Cliff Richard hit being alleged, I think.
it was a very supportive and caring place, including the staff. I think that it was a wonderful place and probably the best community support and care in the community that some people can access.
I’m not sure if that’s horribly tragic or rather heart warming. I’m inclined to go with the latter.
What I do know is that I was skint, I can imagine many worse places to spend my time than a friendly pub with cheep beer and food
I saw a Tweet earlier saying that the Senior Partygoers were not fined but the Juniors were – because the Juniors filled in their MET questionaires but the Seniors refused to.
As someone replied, there’s a “life lesson” in there that you’d do well to learn from.
The 'life lesson' to learn from the modern Tory party is to evade, distract, lie and (if really pushed) get some expensive legal advice.
What if everyone behaved this way? There definitely would be 'no such thing as society' then.
But us little folk wouldn't get away with it.
If I met Johnson face to face right now, I'd stick one on him, no matter what the consequences.
My parents decided they wanted £20/week board from me when I started my YTS (the only way to get an electrical apprenticeship at the time) on £35/week – the reason – they were losing child benefit because I had started working
You didn't think you should pay your way despite your parents circumstances? How frightfully middle class.
40 years ago the then government was destroying working communities, did you not pay attention to what was going on around you? There were no jobs for those abandoned by the then Goths and Vandals in power. The government squandered our oil receipts on funding unemployment to break social cohesion.
@tpbiker it was heartwarming, I worry what happened to them all during lockdown and after the place never re-opened after being flooded. Even the cleaner was there for support, a lovely friendly place. Most Wetherspoons I frequented before B usually had a certain area for regulars where you could meet some lovely, if damaged, people.
it was heartwarming, I worry what happened to them all during lockdown and after the place never re-opened after being flooded. Even the cleaner was there for support, a lovely friendly place. Most Wetherspoons I frequented before B usually had a certain area for regulars where you could meet some lovely, if damaged, people.
Was this a true Wetherspoons or one of the fake ones, a real proper wetherspoons has to have a bookies within 25 yards of the entrance, otherwise it's just a cheap pub, not the community support centre 😁
@argee as, I’ve said. Not been in a Wetherspoons since B. I think your comment is very prejudiced and perhaps an attempt to provoke. There are bookies close to “gentleman’s clubs” and indeed if you go to Royal Ascot or any other posh event then the bookies will probably come to you. The Wetherspoons in question had a bicycle shop within 200 metres, a fruit and veg shop, a car dealer, several cafes and a Co-Op. Does that help? It was a very supportive place for a lot of disadvantaged folk.
You thought I was telling what to do? I am obviously not particularly bothered that 40 years ago your parents forced you to give them more than half your wages, I just suggested that you should perhaps move on and not be so judgemental about other people because of it. If you didn’t want anyone to comment why did you raise the issue?
Where did I say I didn't want anyone to comment? You told me to deal with my child/parent issues (which I don't have), it was merely a comment about my experiences of people who claimed benefits because they didn't want to work and then they sought to recover benefits lost through a disproportionate amount of my wages, because I chose to work.
You didn’t think you should pay your way despite your parents circumstances? How frightfully middle class.
My parents circumstances? They chose not to work, they didn't hide the fact. There always seemed to be a plentiful supply of dope in the house though.
40 years ago the then government was destroying working communities, did you not pay attention to what was going on around you? There were no jobs
34 years ago, I began work - there was plenty of it about then. And my parents seemed to find it on the occassions they had their hands forced
But I suppose someone will be along soon to tell me this didn't happen and it's a story I read in the Daily Mail
I’d have thought being an alcoholic who drinks at wetherspoons at 10am in the morning would be the salient qualification to pass judgement on people who do the same. Until you’ve done that maybe you should keep your uninformed views to yourself?
Oh, sorry, I forgot you couldn't have an opinion or make a judgement unless you've walked in someones shoes. Maybe some other people on here should take that sage advice.
And I'll express my views however I want thanks, I don't need your approval
FFS … all of the papers have already moved on from the parties and Sue Grey report to the multi billion dollar distraction.
The BBC news yesterday barely mentioned the parties - even PM on R4 appeared to be consciously avoiding the subject. Same on the website.
It’s as though there has been some kind of high level behind the scenes to move on.
Even this thread appears to have moved on.
The greased piglet appears to be running off, having wriggled free again.
I don't doubt they'll get away with it long term but its not quite going away yet. Protest outside number 10 today from cleaning and security staff. I suspect there's some more leaking to come as well.
It will play a part in Boj losing the election imo. Probably best for Labour if he stays.
Well it looks like we've now given the green light on STW for community support to be outsourced to Wetherspoons. Who says this place is a hotbed of lefty sentiment? This is about as Tory as you can get. 🤣
Far right wing government my arse
Nationalist in its tub thumping, Socialist to shore up its support amongst the workers. Ring any bells? Many streets and houses are going to like like Nuremberg with cucumber* sandwiches next weekend and the fly tipped sofa will be wrapping himself in it.
*That's if the Brexit-driven supply chain issues don't leave crates of them going rancid in the back of lorries stranded on the M20. I do like Coronation Chicken, mind, but the price of chicken nowadays does put me off a bit.
It was totally obvious that Sunak was being told to delay the announcement of the 'definitely not a windfall tax' windfall tax until just after the Sue Gray report came out.
If anyone was in the least bit surprised at this latest cynical attempt to move the story on then they need their heads read.
Now it is a tacit "it's OK to buy a load of party food that you'll throw most of away for next week's gammony festivities - hooray for her maj". It makes me feel like puking. Just like a senior number ten staffer at an illegal lockdown pissup hosted by Fatso.
But this is what the public wants as Paul Weller sort of sang on Going Underground.
🤷♂️
P.S.
I hope it pisses down from 1am next Thursday to midnight on the Sunday.
Maybe with a short interlude on Friday when I'm riding.
Three cheers for the Navajo god of rain.
Four days off work and lots of chances to ride my bike, I prefer to look on the positive side.
The BBC news yesterday barely mentioned the parties – even PM on R4 appeared to be consciously avoiding the subject. Same on the website.
BBC 10 o'clock news last night specifically mentioned the timing of the Not A Windfall Tax announcement being a deliberate distraction from Partygate.
Nationalist in its tub thumping, Socialist to shore up its support amongst the workers. Ring any bells?
Yes Danny, whatever you say! 😂
I just want our 'national celebration' to be an accurate reflection of us as a society.
I'm sure Cold War Steve is already working on something but my vision is:
Horizontal rain lashing a street of houses that have all been modified in some small but different way to the annoyance of the neighbours. Some of the bunting is holding on manfully, but long strings of it are now dirty and trampled in the mini torrents of water. In the foreground two men brawl in the gutter outside of the pub they have just spilled out of. A woman is pulling frantically at one of them screaming "leave it nah, Mick, eee's ad enuff", fake tan and eyeliner run down her face. Her friend is squatting down, back against the pub wall relieving herself.
They'll all be phoning in sick on Monday and in a few months will be talking of the Jubilee weekend like it was some kind of better age when Britain was British.
Back in the real world - the steps look pretty easy, I might give this a go...
F the Jubilee party in my local this weekend
Basically this, but with bunting?
I hope it pisses down from 1am next Thursday to midnight on the Sunday.
Maybe with a short interlude on Friday when I’m riding.
Three cheers for the Navajo god of rain
I hope the puncture fairy visits you on every ride you miserable sod 🙂
Fwiw I'll be avoiding the parties, but I hope those that do have fun and nice weather.
I'll be riding my bike hopefully.
I hope it pisses down from 1am next Thursday to midnight on the Sunday.
I'd like to watch the flypast in hopefully nice weather.
Four days off work and lots of chances to ride my bike, I prefer to look on the positive side.
Quite. I'm taking the kids bikepacking, which I think will be a more positive thing to do than wishing everyone misery.
Somebody is having fun with the advertising on the tories 'Conservative Home' website.
https://www.conservativehome.com
🙂
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/how-to-defend-an-absolute-****-of-a-man-20220525221429
The Daily Mash has never had it so good with the plethora of possible headlines it can run with.
The present Tory party morphing into an episode of the Thick Of It continues...
https://twitter.com/zoenora6/status/1529792504794648577?s=20&t=iwO00wgWul6C2mXU8iKXRA
I'd celebrate if there were something to celebrate. One newspaper advertised '70 glorious years' of ERII's reign.
Were they really all that glorious? Really?
Silence traitor!!!!
This Dorries thing. I'm simply lost for words. Anyone who voted for this government needs to have a word with themselves.
Were they all that glorious
well now
1. having, worthy of, or bringing fame or admiration.
"the most glorious victory of all time"2. having a striking beauty or splendour.
"a glorious autumn day"
I think there was a long hot summer around 1976 that qualifies for #2.
Aaah the long hot summer of ‘76… and Punk Rock!
Basically this, but with bunting.
Yes.
Quite. I’m taking the kids bikepacking, which I think will be a more positive thing to do than wishing everyone misery.
Depends. Do you make them wear identical drab boiler suits and stop to sing The Internationale every half hour?
Aaah the long hot summer of ‘76… and Punk Rock!
we mean it ma’am
(you’ll have that song in your head for days now)
Presumably the mask on the nurse/doctor serves a dual purpose?
1) Because it was in the worst days of the pandemic and she was having to wear it pretty much 24/7 - in lieu of actual proper PPE.
And
2) She is less likely to be identified, tracked down and submitted to death threats by some of Johnson's more 'patriotic'* supporters.
*But deniable.
Depends. Do you make them wear identical drab boiler suits and stop to sing The Internationale every half hour?
Danny, if you tempered your keenness to sneer about everyone else you might actually cheer up a bit.
From t'web
Dorries has developed a new musical style: cringe
And now Johnson moves to do away with what little accountability there is, with a pre-emptive move for when he gets found to have breached the ministerial code
I suppose he's just making it official...
Boris Johnson changes ministerial code to remove need to resign over breaches
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1530174807316348928?s=20&t=ERhFV49ppyJzIa1UMTE2Rg
Another day, another democratic convention torn up....
Another day, another democratic convention torn up….
Jesus Christ, another step closer to being a rogue one party state.
Beggars belief that a rogue PM, or any government with a majority, can change such a fundamental part of representing the people. Shouldn't decisions like this be taken by a knowledgeable comittee, made up of an equal representation of all parties in the HOC?
Were they really all that glorious? Really?
Guess Liz enjoyed them which is all that matters isn't it. Although thinking about it she doesn't look or sound like she enjoys it much so maybe not even glorious for her either.
Shouldn’t decisions like this be taken by a knowledgeable comittee, made up of an equal representation of all parties in the HOC?
The one thing Boris is doing consistently is showing us all how unfit for the 21st century our laughable excuse for a constitution is.
Basically, if you've got someone like him in number ten who just thinks that no rules apply to him and he can do what the hell he likes, then in reality no rules apply to him and he can do what the hell he likes
The problem with this clown riding roughshod over the checks and balances is not what he is doing it for - just saving his own worthless hide - but what some future proper horrible bastard will do with it.
Let's face it, the next Tory leader (and thus PM) is going to be a red-toothed Brexity loon.
They've tried 'reason' - May - wasn't brexity enough to push the hardest brexit possible.
They're trying 'popularism' with the fly tipped sofa, but he can't stay off the piss long enough to do anything other than by accident or nicking it off the other team. He'll just waste away the rest of his term as leader thrashing about pointlessly trying to reconcile the irreconcilable stupidities at the heart of our situation.
The next leader will, inevitably, be a nutjob who doesn't give a shit about those contradictions and actively wants to burn stuff down rather than having an accident with a lighter a la Johnson.
For these nutters Johnson is merely part of the journey. Just like brexit is actually the means and not the end.
But this what people voted for, whether they realised it or not.
🤷♂️
Beggars belief that a rogue PM, or any government with a majority, can change such a fundamental part of representing the people.
I couldn't believe what I was reading so had to do a little digging to see if the stories were true. They are. He's not only changing the rules post-breaking them to save himself he's leaving the gate wide open for anyone who wishes to to genuinely destroy what little of our democracy we have left. This is a very serious development and I can't see any way that it can be reversed while the Tories are still in power.
If this happened in any other country we'd have people talking about going in there to remove the current leaders, we are seriously heading towards a crossroads that will be very hard to undo.
If this happened in any other country
The first thing Silvio Berlusconi did on becoming PM was to pass a law giving himself immunity from prosecution, which had appeared imminent before his election.
It's fair to say Berlusconi also liked to party, especially Bunga Bunga parties.
British politics is rapidly descending down to the level of corrupt Italian politics.
Rory Stewart made the Berlusconi comparison the other day.
Remember when we used to laugh at Italy under Berlusconi as a Banana Republic?
And now look at us
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1529732705600032768?s=20&t=_kgbMEDEC3TAQCJOr-lEGQ
I watched an American commentator on Newsnight last night saying Trump had turned the Republican party into a cult rather than a political party. Johnson has done the same to the Tory party. With Brexit nationalism as their religion and him as David Koresh (complete with unknown number of offspring). It seems theres nothing he can do that they won't all sit back and indulge
He’s not only changing the rules post-breaking them to save himself he’s leaving the gate wide open for anyone who wishes to to genuinely destroy what little of our democracy we have left
MrsMC, who is occasionally prone to worrying Brexity/Tory ramblings, saw this and went "He's turning into Putin".
I see it's on the BBC now as well - Starmer needs to be tearing Boris a new one over this for all the weekend headlines
Danny, if you tempered your keenness to sneer about everyone else you might actually cheer up a bit.
This is the last time I'm going to reply to a post that quotes me, but conflates me with 'Danny'. I will just simply not acknowledge any further posts of this sort (of course anyone with any wit will reply 'OK Danny', so just to steal that little bit of thunder up front...).
I find people who take themselves far too seriously, whilst holding wacky views (politics, sport, riding, whatever), and who make themselves look dafter and dafter the more earnest they try to be, to be one of the funniest things going. This is why I enjoy our little exchanges. I do have a fair few little titters and it gets me through the working day without lapsing into total boredom at my desk.
You'll note that I don't post all that much in the evenings or at weekends because, frankly, I've got better things to do. I'm perfectly cheery, especially with the extra little bit of entertainment you provide. Thanks.
Now, enjoy your bikepacking expedition next weekend. I assume this weekend will be a bit of a trial run and/or prep(?) Or maybe the junior ransoses are already accomplished bikepackers...? Whatever- hope you have a good one.
tiger, stop pretending you aren't dannyh who suddenly stopped posting; was that your decision or imposed by mods?
His posts rapidly became tedious and yours show all the same tics and flourishes.
I’m perfectly cheery
And yet Danny based on what you post on here you sound like a very angry person who despises huge swathes of the population.
Surely it must miserable to live in a society where you hate so many people?
Humble and humility lasted a long time...........
Apologies if this had already been linked, but it just popped up on my YouTube feed.
Wtaf is this......!?
Really hoping dannyh comes back and proves us all wrong. (Or at least tries to)
Polling suggesting Boris would lose his seat
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1530269646443659264
Why is new Dannyh v2.0 so grumpy?
The old one was much better.
Her maj can dissolve parliament, right? And order new elections, right?
And as part of her jubilee week perhaps we should entertain her ancient powers, possibly?
Do you think she might be open to a petition from some loyal (in this case) subjects?
Just askin’
Do you think she might be open to a petition from some loyal (in this case) subjects?
She knows there aren't many more miles that can go on the clock. There's no way she'd do anything now.
Charlie Boy? Well he does seem to have inherited some of the issues of centuries of inbreeding, so perhaps he might do something 'headstrong'...
😂
MrsMC has just wondered what Prince Philip actually thought of Boris, given his penchant for blunt and offensive comments....
Her maj can dissolve parliament, right? And order new elections, right?And as part of her jubilee week perhaps we should entertain her ancient powers, possibly?
The time to do that would have been around the referendum, refusing to sign Brexit into law (which would have really riled the gammons, they wouldn't know which way to turn!) and locking Boris in the tower after he lied to her in order to illegally prorogue Parliament. Frankly, anything now is too little too late.
What's the point of having a queen if she's not going to take charge every once in a while when her Government is useless?!
What’s the point of having a queen if she’s not going to take charge every once in a while when her Government is useless?!
I assume that's a rhetorical question😃
MrsMC has just wondered what Prince Philip actually thought of Boris, given his penchant for blunt and offensive comments….
How do you make a blunt offensive comment about Boris. For every comment you make he counters with a triply offensive and badly thought out action, which makes the original comment seem measured
How do you make a blunt offensive comment about Boris. For every comment you make he counters with a triply offensive and badly thought out action, which makes the original comment seem measured
It's a sign of how awful Boris is that Prince Phillip appears measured....
of course anyone with any wit will reply ‘OK Danny’, so just to steal that little bit of thunder up front
Danny, are you okay?
So, Danny, are you okay? Are you okay, Danny?
Danny, are you okay?
I’m Danny!
… and so’s my wife!
Anyway… back on topic… it appears that Johnson’s famously stated desire to be ‘world king’ continues apace. It seems that the new ministerial code makes himself the ultimate arbiter on everything, including himself
https://twitter.com/peston/status/1530273579354447874?s=21&t=0BF-yysl0NnsE0thIO78_w
I think it’s not going to be long before he starts wearing military regalia, complete with medals he’s awarded himself, Colonel Gadaffi style. Or a crown.
What’s the point of having a queen
So she can provide legal aid and a sanctuary to any law breaking offspring?
TBH whose really surprised that he’s rewriting the ministerial code.
It’s Paterson taken to another level all over again.
an interview with Rory Stewart describing the liar
The Times reporting that No10 has branched out in to editing, its most recent publication the Sue Gray report
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1530627345262219264
they just can help themselves
meanwhile
ist back to bushells & groats!
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1530569025390092288
Tory candidate for Tiverton and Honiton byelection told to be invisible and not speak to media for best chance of winning lol
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tiverton-honiton-byelection-ben-bradshaw-b2088792.html
^^^
Yeah, but he'll still win.
Buckland basically said "gammons get out and vote" this morning as the leadership 'depends' on the upcoming by-elections. Hint - it doesn't, but it is a crude way of getting Johnson's daft as a brush elderly supporters out to vote.
Predictable.