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For him to resign would mean he accepts he has done wrong ad he is incapable of understanding that
VONC by Friday?
I can see him winning it, they'll use Ukraine crisis as reason not to change leaders
The blonde buffoon won't resign, he won't lose a VONC and he won't be sacked because the tory Party are too addicted to power. Bozza will stay exactly where he is. The only time we will see him go is when the tories find someone who can win the next G.E election for them. Running the country is secondary for this mob.
The blonde buffoon won’t resign, he won’t lose a VONC and he won’t be sacked because the tory Party are too addicted to power.
I don't see your logic. The Tories will remain in power until the next GE. And if they want to maximise their chances of keeping power after that, they probably should change leader sooner rather than later. I believe that the Parliamentary party controls how a new leader is appointed, so MPs could change the rules and put a new bod in place quite quickly if they wanted to.
And if they want to maximise their chances of keeping power after that, they probably should change leader sooner rather than later.
That still requires that the current leader resign or fail a VONC. Which brings us back to the fact that he won't resign. Boris' first and last thoughts are about himself; not the Tories, the party, the country, the people.
If he resigns it's an indication that he's not up to the job and/or he's done something wrong. Since he considers himself a modern-day version of Churchill, he can't / won't see that he's not up to the job. And since he considers that rules don't apply to him, the idea that he's done anything wrong also doesn't apply.
The only answer therefore is that "the party" (as in the Tories, not another wine and cheese evening) try to force him out but that's a high-risk strategy. Two years until a GE is enough time for any new leader to lose their shine, for people to realise that things are still shit even under a new PM, that Brexit is still catastrophically stupid and so on. There's no obvious successor which means a long and potentially messy leadership battle with who-knows-what skeletons coming out of closets when you start unpicking the background of the candidates.
Quite amusing to note that even with a majority of the country now feeling that he should resign, the Will Of The People no longer applies...
For him to resign would mean he accepts he has done wrong ad he is incapable of understanding that
I think he knows when he's done wrong but he doesn't think it matters because in his life it doesn't.
The fact that there doesn’t appear to be the 54 letters yet makes it unlikely for 180 votes to appear in a VONC.
Unless there’s backroom dealings ie only submit the 54 letters when it’s certain 180 would vote against, I think they’re sticking with him.
I actually think he will resign. “It wasn’t my fault, but for the good of the country…..” especially if it looks like he’s getting the boot anyway.
Well they may as well see if the people take the grey bait hook line and sinker first,they don’t really have a rush to do a vonc.
Shirley the draw of six figure sums for after dinner speaking, without any actual responsibility, would be fairly strong for him? Or can’t he risk telling a few of his stories for a year or six?
All those Tory MPs voted for him as leader despite knowing his track record and the fact that he was totally unfit for the job of PM
A vote of no confidence now will produce exactly the same result
That might well change if the May local elections deliver an absolute kicking.
I don’t see your logic.
Firstly, his Party doesn't have a more popular personality, although the polls make for difficult reading at the moment. Sure, he is utterly useless and does as he pleases but until the Party finds someone more popular with the electorate, Bozza will be allowed to stay where he is. He will be convinced he can rebuild his popularity and recent history lends to this too.
Additionally, he secured a thumping majority for his Party and doesn't need to face a G.E for at least a couple of years. The accusations are in the past and in 18 months time they will probably (hopefully) be forgotten about by most who thought it was wise to vote for him. Furthermore, he's not being criticised by his Party for how Brexit is progressing and his Cabinet appear to still support him.
He ignored the Patel bullying findings so the Sue Gray findings can be ignored too. Unless of course the Sue Gray report has some really damning new evidence then the pressure on Bozza will ease. I'm convinced the tories just crave power above all else and will focus on retaining their current position rather than risk installing Truss, Sunak or Javid or even someone remotely sensible like Davidson. Truss is probably the biggest risk to Bozza if we believe the polls but both Truss and Sunak are not in Bozza's populist league.
I would like to be proved wrong, I really would but I expect de Pfeffel to be here at the next G.E. The biggest issue he faces IMO will be in 18/24 months time, and the issue of levelling up the North but I'm sure he and the Party will succeed in deflecting any criticism and blame Labour/the E.U/Covid etc. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
All those Tory MPs voted for him as leader despite knowing his track record and the fact that he was totally unfit for the job of PM
A vote of no confidence now will produce exactly the same result
Correct.
Regarding the local elections, they won't matter to the Parliamentary Party and any drubbing will be accepted as mid-term voter apathy etc. If the turnout in May is similar to a G.E (highly unlikely IMO) and they take a massive kicking (highly probable IMO), then they will have to think hard but they will use that kicking to focus populist policies/ideas to those areas where they lost votes/seats.
The difference between now and then is that the toothpaste is out of the bag and you can't put the cat back into the tube. The MPs that voted him in know that the public now knows what they knew then. Whether this will also apply to the party membership remains to be seen. But MPs can keep Johnson off the final party-member ballot by ensuring he comes third in the Parliamentary one. I don't think that is impossible, they will either continue to support him or there will be a landslide against him. Given his predilection for exacting revenge on his enemies, those are the only options. If he goes, they will have to make sure he doesn't come back, ever. I reckon most of them have always secretly detested him so once they see it is safe to do so, they will all go in hard with the boot.
Johnson has lost the ability to push populist policies to enough of the people. Those that want to continue down the populist route need a new figurehead. Those that don't also need a new figurehead, obviously. He will be replaced by the next GE.
your man is never going to quit or get bounced. the whole point is that politicians esp cons know that all his shenanigans just provide a smokescreen for the lobbying, corruption and off shore hijinks. hes the perfect political asset in a society where more people are getting their hands on only ever a very small amount of news about politics.
The point is that this scandal has caught the public imagination and the public are furious. That translates into a lot of lost votes and a lot of MPs losing their jobs. thats what will motivate the party to get rid of him. self interest
What a wonderful attack line for the other parties for the next election. The tories have to disassociate themselves from him to try to counter this. It is not going away
The tories have to disassociate themselves from him to try to counter this.
the trap was set for Johnson alone, the beauty of it is the tory party have so far collectively decided to be ensnared by it too.
Yup
Next election opposition leaflets write themselves " Tories - the party party" "Remember when they partied as the queen mourned alone?"
even someone remotely sensible like Davidson.
We obviously don't share the same opinion about Gary - Tank Commander but is this even a possibility?
One thing we have thats good about Boris(from reading the main page Mr C.Boardman story), is Boris at least has the knowledge of what it is like to ride a bike, especially through traffic.
I feel that without the PM being a cyclist, a lesser number of cycling initiatives would go through.
So lets all offer up thanks to Mr B for all and any bike acknowledgements and ask(in praise) are there anymore members of the house that are keen cyclists.
but is this even a possibility?
She would have to resign her seat in the lords, Stand as an MP in an English seat and win it. I think In theory the PM could come from the lords - I know ministers can but I don't think its happened for a long long time
She looks sensible compared to the rest of the loons, is personable and has good political instincts. However she is as morally bankrupt as the rest of them.
She left the tory leadership in Scotland because the stress wrecked her mental health. I do not see her re -entering front line politics
Could the tory party cope with a gay female Scot in charge? I think a few heads would explode
I don’t see her wanting to be PM. I do see her being more up front in politics once Johnson has gone (whenever that is).
Even in the Tories I am unsure that anybody who has spent much time with Ruth Davidson would vote for her.
Why is that duckers?
I think In theory the PM could come from the lords
Yes there is nothing legally blocking it but last time was 1902 and the Lords have steadily lost powers since then.
It doesnt really seem a viable option especially for the tories and their leave Europe to get away from unelected bureaucrats to then turn round and go for an unelected Lord.
Stand as an MP in an English seat
Any UK seat surely?
good point. although the tories have said on many occasions post devolution that the PM should come from England but no legal requirement of course
Any UK seat surely?
There is no seat in Scotland secure enough for any of the major parties that a party leader could be sure of getting re-elected. See Jo Swinson.
Can't see a Tory MP standing in NI, somehow.
I guess he should have said English or Welsh seats.
Sure, I appreciate it wouldn’t likely happen, but legally any UK MP could be PM.
TGA is correct of course
I can see a total wipeout in Scotland for the tories at the next election - unless we get another labour / tory pact
Sorry for the Torygraph link but even they are now quoting the damning evidence that BJ is going to have to face up to very shortly.
😀 a good end to the weekend reading that
That Covid Sainthood/Martyr Boris dodged a while back is probably looking like a missed opportunity to a lot of Tory MPs right now.
A nice stiff Brompton Cocktail served by Rees Mogg, the political equivalent of his Service Revolver....
greyspoke
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Why is that duckers?
She has an explosive temper and an eternal hatred of anybody she feels has slighted her that goes WAY beyond usual political bickering.
The tory party purges he initiated mean there's only sychophants and fruitloops left. He's done a really number on them; Unfortunately, the consensus-free factions are supposed to govern a diverse country.
Now Johnson has belatedly ordered an inquiry into the allegations made by Nusrat Ghani. I wonder if this will include speaking to their muslim MPsand staff? The last inquiry into islamophobia didn't
I do not understand why folk like her and Warsi can be in the tory party given the overt racism
Even worse, it’s been there for ever, in plain sight, right through the whole “Labour Anti Semetism “ clusterf@@k.
Bojo:- you need to make a formal complaint
MP:- ok because I’m a Muslim I’m being discriminated against
Bojo:- if you make this formal it’ll destroy your career
MP:- ok i wont
Bojo press statement:- MP was told to make a formal complaint but didn't.
A depressing but true article in this mornings Guardian about the damage Boris Johnson has done to our entire political system
Distrust, disengagement and discord will be the disgraceful legacy of Boris Johnson
Ordering an inquiry is just a way of punting an issue away so Johnson can look like he's taking action and say 'we need to wait for the results of the inquiry' whenever he is pressed on it.
I do not understand why folk like her and Warsi can be in the tory party given the overt racism
Do you think that as an anti-immigration right-wing brexiteer Nusrat Ghani would be happier in the Labour Party?
I do not understand why folk like her and Warsi can be in the tory party given the overt racism
Better opportunities for grift in Nusrat Ghani's case it would appear.
Although she's an amateur compared to many in the Tory party.
Even worse, it’s been there for ever, in plain sight, right through the whole “Labour Anti Semetism “ clusterf@@k.
Yup and our media across the spectrum have been utterly complicit in allowing them to totally get away with it while vilifying Labour incessantly. Our system is screwed.
Do you think that as an anti-immigration right-wing brexiteer Nusrat Ghani would be happier in the Labour Party?
Good point - but I just cannot see why someone who is muslim can contort their position to be in an overtly racist / islamophobic party. Just seems weird to me to be a part of an organisation that discriminates on the basis of your religion. Its not like the islamophobia in the tory party is hidden or not widely known
People are weird i guess
Ordering an inquiry is just a way of punting an issue away so Johnson can look like he’s taking action and say ‘we need to wait for the results of the inquiry’ whenever he is pressed on it.
Doesn't he realise that he can only kick the can so far down the road though? It seems as though Sue Gray's report is going to go pretty badly for him, I don't really see what he can do following it's publication.
Or perhaps I am naïve and he won't release the majority of the report, then order an inquiry into why the report wasn't released?
She has an explosive temper and an eternal hatred of anybody she feels has slighted her that goes WAY beyond usual political bickering.
Ah OK, I hadn't picked that up, not that I follow Scottish politics that closely.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1485579977345146882?t=4xoH9rxcyTmlUE2nGETk0A&s=19
Probably closer to the truth than we think
Klunk
Free Memberthe trap was set for Johnson alone, the beauty of it is the tory party have so far collectively decided to be ensnared by it too.
When we look back on this, that's the thing that'll seem weirdest of all. For all my life, the Tories have been the masters of ditching their lame dog PMs and having their replacement pretty much lined up, and making sure that whatever happened to the person on the top the party would prosper. But now it's completely the opposite, they seem intent on keeping the leader in no matter how much it harms the party.
And as you say the trap was for Johnson alone- I thought they were making an arse of it because Johnson could have just stepped down and instantly it'd be new broom and the anointed new leader would start with a clean sheet and it'd all have to be done again. But miraculously the Tories have taken Labour's soggy carrot and done everything they can to turn it into a stake to the heart.
But miraculously the Tories have taken Labour’s soggy carrot and done everything they can to turn it into a stake to the heart.
Loving that metaphor!
A depressing but true article in this mornings Guardian about the damage Boris Johnson has done to our entire political system
I'm just waiting for them to ignore the findings of any inquiry, declare Boris as Leader Forever, divide the nation up into Tribunes and have done with it. Gove could then reward the winners with that year's Levelling-Up fund.
But miraculously the Tories have taken Labour’s soggy carrot and done everything they can to turn it into a stake to the heart.
Loving that metaphor!
Yeah, that one deserves a round of applause. 👏🏼
An anti-fraud Lord (& friend of Gove & Truss) has just resigned thanks to (Sunak's) failure to go after covid loan fraud, citing
Arrogance, indolence, ignorance", "schoolboy errors", and "nothing less than woeful".
Which is pretty much Johnsons personal motto
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60117513
The problem with going after those Covid loan frauds is that the staff doing it didn't appear out of thin air. They were taken away from their usual (HMRC) roles.
If you've got £4bn in Covid fraud back but lost £5bn that you would have got otherwise, how do you get that past the NAO or Parliamentary Treasury Committee?
(Playing Devil's Advocate slightly, but welcome to post austerity public services)
An anti-fraud Lord (& friend of Gove & Truss) has just resigned thanks to (Sunak’s) failure to go after covid loan fraud, citing
Would that be Lord Agnew who (checks notes) referred friends to the VIP procurement channel? That Lord Agnew the hypocritical ****!
Have we done Bozza's (alleged) surprise birthday party as organised by Carrie yet?
No, but we should…
A bit thin that more cash considering the government spend huge sums on chasing benefit "fraud" which gains less than a 10 % return ie its ten times what they spend on it to the amount reclaimed compared to spending much less on tax fraud where they gain more than they spend
Johnson on birthday parties during lockdown…
https://twitter.com/benrathe/status/1485681161795952644?s=21
It's my party and I'll lie if I want to, lie if I want to, lie if I want to.,
You would lie too if it happened to you.
A bit thin that more cash considering the government spend huge sums on chasing benefit “fraud” which gains less than a 10 % return ie its ten times what they spend on it to the amount reclaimed compared to spending much less on tax fraud where they gain more than they spend
I did say that it was slightly Devils Advocate, and Covid fraud I would have thought should be "lower hanging fruit" than some of the tax evasion we try and chase down.
A solution for Sue Gray… or she’ll never finish her report…
https://twitter.com/emmavj/status/1485684459026460679?s=21
If that is Johnson's own handwriting it's terrible. Can't start each line in the same place, not even remotely straight on the page and it just gets worse as it gets towards the end. How many attempts did he have at writing that without crossings out, spelling mistakes and it actually being legible? Mind you, he probably wrote it after a party and was pissed.
It certainly now looks like it’d be quicker to investigate any days during 2020 when there wasn’t a party going on at number 10
It certainly now looks like it’d be quicker to investigate any days during 2020 when there wasn’t a party going on at number 10
Bunga Bunga
I am beginning to think he might just resign. The pressure on him must be immense and surely even a man as arrogant as him cannot believe he has done no wrong or can bluff it out. the way its all coming out day by day its utterly hilarious. How long before the men in grey suits pay him a visit and tell him to resign for the good of the party party!
This appears to really hammer the nail in on any excuses the corrupt shower have
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1485703538575609862?s=20
He'll just blame Carrie for the birthday party as it was a surpirse so he couldnt have been expected to know what was going on... question is will he ask her to resign!?!
He’ll just blame Carrie for the birthday party as it was a surpirse so he couldnt have been expected to know what was going on… question is will he ask her to resign!?!
Well, they've bread now so she's on borrowed time anyway - I suspect she entered into this marr... business with her eyes open and will be well compensated by the tax payer.
bred or are they metaphorically brown bread?
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1485703150040498178
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485687149836001283
🙄
Amused to see that utter moron Dorres trying to defend him on twitter.
She knows that she has no chance of being in power again if anyone competent gets to be pm, so she has nailed herself to the mast.
Let's hope it sinks and takes all hands down
'You have no authority here Nadine Dorries, no authority at all'
should be fun to see who does the morning tv round tomorrow morning.
I have 13 year olds berating me in class if I start a sentence with but or and. Obviously didn't pay atten.....oh, Boris, soz.
As most of you will know I have always thought of the tories as venal, arrogant and verging on if not actually being criminal and only interested in themselves. But even cynical me is astonished by the amount of allegations coming out and the way others are appearing to put the boot in over other issues. Talk about kicking a man while he is down! couldn't happen to a better person