by the Shrewsbury folk festival for 'racial insensitivities'. Border Morris sides have done this for 500 years apparently to enable them to go unrecognised. Is this going beyond the pale?
Too long we've been hurting chimney sweeps feelings.
Surely they could just paint their faces a different colour that will achieve the same result but won't upset anyone?
Edit: I suggest purple. If you're going to prance about like a bell end, might as well go the whole hog.
If anything they should make sure that "Short Circuit" is never shown again, if they're unhappy about face painting.
Border Morris sides have done this for 500 years apparently to enable them to go unrecognised
I suppose I can understand why they wouldn't want recognised....
[quote=BillMC ]by the Shrewsbury folk festival for 'racial insensitivities'. Border Morris sides have done this for 500 years apparently to enable them to go unrecognised. Is this going beyond the pale?
Would a black morris man have to wear white face paint for the same reason?
Like 'they' would let that ^ happen
Your'e a bad egg 😀Is this going beyond the pale?
Would a black morris man have to wear white face paint for the same reason?
Do you know, I bet it's never come up.
apparently to enable them to go unrecognised.
That's just one of the reasons that's been suggested - the most agreeable to our modern sensibilities anyway.
Just because something's been done for 500 years doesn't give it a reason to carry on.
I reckon perchy is on to something. Green is readily available from army surplus stores...
Never mind about 'racial insensitivities' they should extend the ban to all morris dancing. What about 'cringe induced sensitivities' ?
Grown bearded men skipping together with bells round their ankles ? ffs
#Blackfacelivesmatter
is this the daily wail version of 'banning' i.e. just 'not booking them'?
Grown bearded men skipping together with bells round their ankles ? ffs
Almost as bad as grown men on kiddies bikes. Or scooters.
interesting starting point to consider 'tradition' though.
At what point does a something go from being something that just happens (i.e. beggars painting their faces), to a recognised cultural touchpoint, to something that must never change because 'Tradition'?
Should our traditions be sacred and held above scrutiny like religions often are? (by the religious, at least)
won't upset anyone?
Who has been upset? Or is it a bunch of people thinking that people should be upset by it? 🙄
These need banning next 😐
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Morris men officially rock.
Especially the green ones.
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Those green ones don't seem to be "dancing" very much.
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Look at their clothing.... Undercover sniper Morris Men them. Hard as nails.
Is telling morris men not to put burnt cork on their faces a bit like telling women they can't wear burkinis?
Hastings green man.
The best day out.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hastings+green+man&client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb&prmd=misvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizjPfm6NzOAhWJWhoKHSywCokQ_AUICCgC&biw=360&bih=559
apparently to enable them to go unrecognised
Solved, in an inclusive manner:
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It's culture. Obviously.
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Around here it was supposed to be a throwback to the mines and show grime, not a colour of skin.
The professionally upset will still be upset at something. Hoop skirts, maybe.
Unless there was a genuine racist reason for them originally painting their faces black, then I don't see why they can't carry on with their tradition. Anyone who is offended by some non racist face painting needs to get out more and find something to be properly worried about.
If the roots are in some way "racist", then I'd agree that some traditions need to be brought more up to date.
It's the difference between blacking up to look like a chimney sweep and blacking up to be a black and white minstrel - one is harmless, one is offensive.
Now we can all just quote different internet links to each other to argue which it is!
seems to be just tenuous enough a reason to post this:
Border Morris sides started during the miner's strikes, when the men had little money, but were afraid to be seen doing anything that might earn some cash or free beer, so they just enhanced the fact that as miners their faces were black from coal dust and went totally black as a disguise, and wore costumes of dark coloured rags sewn onto old jackets, jeans and boots, and their dances were/are much more 'robust' and aggressive, and a certain goth element has crept in as well, attracting many younger dancers, male and especially female.
To ban them for 'racial insensitivity' is not only insensitive itself, but quite spectacularly ignorant of the whole history of Border sides.
Goth Morris dancers? Sod banning, we need a cull.
As I mentioned above the black faces also represent chimney sweeps.
Basically any morris people not dressed in white are bloody good. Get somewhere to check them out.
The first Friday in December we will have some outside my shop if we can muster up enough beer.
Nah, they are called Morris Men because Moorish = blackamoor = african
By the way, why don't you get any Muslim or Jewish morris men?
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Because you have to be a complete dick to be a morris dancer.
The Bacup Coco-Nutters as seen above are meant to represent Moorish pirates who presumably were a bit darker than the average Lancastrian, and something to do with Cornish men who travelled north to seek gravy in the chippy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Coco-nut_Dancers
so they just enhanced the fact that as miners their faces were black from coal dust and went totally black as a disguise,
Miners in disguise eh ?
Here's some Tory supporters in disguise
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started during the miner's strikes,
So it is Thatcha's fault.
So did borders Morris sides start 500 years ago or in the 1980's?
Banbury Town centre! ^^^^
I always knew there was something dodgy about Dave 🙂
Crazy.
if the tradition is ancient then modern potential opinions are irrelevant.Any one offended by that needs to grow up
So did borders Morris sides start 500 years ago or in the 1980's?
Morris itself is recorded in Britain over 400 years ago. That would have been of a style similar to what we would now call Cotswold morris (that's the sticks and hankies stuff). Northwest morris (in clogs) is from the industrial period belonging to mills and wakes weeks. Border morris in its current form is a product of the 1970s.
Because you have to be a complete dick to be a morris dancer.
I don't understand why they use messy black makeup when the "black stockingette mask", which can be slipped over the head in a moment, could be used.
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It even comes with "odd" eyes and buckteeth.
I'm sure it would make morris dancing much more amusing and if anyone is offended it can removed and concealed in the pocket "as quick as a wink".
Obviously they need to change the name of the black stockingette mask to reflect modern 'racial sensitivities'.
This is a good article about it by someone involved in the scene. Quite balanced but explains how it's neither political correctness gone mad nor ignorant old buffers.
https://rs21.org.uk/2014/10/16/morris-dancing/
My mates a mummer, its a normal part of the show & costume. Its all storytelling. Anyone who's seen the Rushbearing round Sowerby Bridge will have seen him and it. A great show, not offensive at all. Well its not set out to be at least.
I've often wondered if the phrase "Pull the other one, it has bells on" has some connection with morris dancing.
Variation on "Pull my finger..."???
Would a black morris man have to wear white face paint for the same reason?
Do you know, I bet it's never come up.
My father is foreman of the [url= http://www.welshbordermorris.co.uk/ ]Welsh Border Morris Men[/url] ("beware pale imitations"). His brother in law is very much of Afro-Caribbean decent. My father has on many occasions encouraged him to "white up". However because he is a trendy London type he told my dad to folk off.
It's odd that frequently it's white people getting all offended on behalf of those who, more often than not, really couldn't give a shit.
Which is patronising and condescending, and offensive in itself.
It's implying that other races are incapable of working out for themselves whether something is actually offensive or racist, or whatever, and that they quite possibly don't have a sense of humour; one of the members of my brother's bike club dressed up in KKK gear for one of their bash parties - he's black.
I wonder how many white Guardian readers would get offended by his actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
This all sounds a bit familiar, it's the same discussions.
It's odd that frequently it's white people getting all offended on behalf of those who, more often than not, really couldn't give a shit.
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I ask myself would the place be better without a lot of contentious events (take your pick: blacked-up morris, hunting, shooting, corridas, grand national) taking place? I tend to think probably not, but then some people like prairies and that glowing warmth of being puritanical and scoring points en route. Middle class violence.
For 'taking offence', read 'self-righteous bullying'.
